New Kindle Paperwhite

[destrekor]

OT? Mobile Devices? I dunno, a mod will surely sort this out if need be.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OQVZDJM...vptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_9ri44b2mll_b

Looks like what I wanted all this time, a higher resolution Paperwhite. But... they increased the weight! D:

The Voyage is lighter, but... it can't be worth it, can it? Now that the 300 PPI display has been ported to a Paperwhite, the only remaining difference is the adaptive light and the touch-sensitive page-flip capability on the device edges as opposed to the screen. The flush screen is also a nice touch. Plus it's smaller and lighter all around.

That does at least seem to confirm that Amazon is intent on bringing the new Bookerly font and rendering engine to the Paperwhite, but I do hope they update the 2nd gen Paperwhite. I'm afraid they'll make it an exclusive to the latest gen.

It appears to be identical to the previous generation elsewhere, such as size and weight.
I might be happy enough if the layout rendering engine and new font make their way to the 2nd gen. But I'd love a sharper screen.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

I think it'll be rolled out as a sw/firmware update - Amazon says "with more devices coming later this year."

So there might be a chance - I'd be happy to have it on my 2nd gen Kindle, the screen is sharp enough for me.

http://www.amazon.com/b/***********...0011&tag=thedigrea-20&linkId=OFHEQ6GU2X4TITAC

 

[rh71]

Overpriced for what it is.

 

[DaveSimmons]

My Kindle 2nd gen with 3G keeps humming along so I can't justify it, but higher DPI, better refreshing and built-in backlight would all be nice to have.

 

[Muse]

My Second generation Paperwhite is very sharp. I don't think the higher res of the Voyage is that much of an improvement. I got my PW after the Voyage came out, I read reviews of the Voyage and the consensus was that the PW was a lot more bang for the buck, so when I saw it price drop to $100 I grabbed it. It's terrifically better than my old Kindle Keyboard 3G. Mine is limited to wifi but that's fine with me. I get the ads but ignore them. You can option to have them disappear from the Home Page, which isn't the default.

The flush screen with the bezel of the Voyage is a non-issue for me (the PW's screen in slightly recessed, which doesn't bug me).

So, your saying OP that there's an upgrade to the PW with the Voyage's res?

I'm thoroughly pleased with my PW. I don't know that I'd like page turning from the bezel, I used to do that accidentally all the time with my KK. Page turning can be hit or miss with the PW, though, it doesn't always behave as I expect, and if there are hyperlinks in the text you can find yourself loading a link instead of a page turning if you aren't careful. I get the NY Times Blog and for that it's a real issue.

I'm fine with the font I have, don't know what it is, it's similar to Arial. I go landscape when it's supported, third smallest font from the left (IOW, two selections up from the smallest supported font size).

I'm not sure I'd like adaptive lighting. It can be turned off, it's true. I don't adjust my backlighting often, only rarely.

My PW is incredibly more readable than my KK. I use it all the time, I used my KK pretty rarely, it couldn't compete with paper and ink. My PW is better than paper and ink, I'd have to say definitely better. Battery life is around 4x better than the KK, it really is amazing especially when you consider that it supports a backlight!

My guess is that the consensus will be that this new PW (release on June 30) isn't a worthy upgrade from the PW 2nd gen. It will be cool if they have a firmware update for the 2nd gen that adds some features, of course! I'm not holding my breath, though, they want to promote people buying more stuff from them.

 

[Muse]

My Kindle 2nd gen with 3G keeps humming along so I can't justify it, but higher DPI, better refreshing and built-in backlight would all be nice to have.

The backlight of my PW 2nd gen is the one killer feature that makes it trounce my old Kindle Keyboard 3G. It's the game changer. The other considerations are trivial.

 

[stockwiz]

If I upgraded I'd do the Kobo Aura H20 for the larger screen size. Amazon's not gonna put out a larger size screen to fit more text on a page I'll go to somebody who will.

 

[Printer Bandit]

can you load ebooks bought from iBooks or .pdfs onto the PW?

 

[lxskllr]

I wouldn't own a Kindle, or buy a book from Amazon. It doesn't support epub, and Amazon spies on users. They can also revoke books at any time.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I wouldn't own a Kindle, or buy a book from Amazon. It doesn't support epub, and Amazon spies on users. They can also revoke books at any time.

Every retailer spies on you. Kindles support DRM-free text & mobi, and it is up to the publisher not Amazon whether or not a kindle-format book uses DRM. Baen and some others do not.

 

[destrekor]

My Second generation Paperwhite is very sharp. I don't think the higher res of the Voyage is that much of an improvement. I got my PW after the Voyage came out, I read reviews of the Voyage and the consensus was that the PW was a lot more bang for the buck, so when I saw it price drop to $100 I grabbed it. It's terrifically better than my old Kindle Keyboard 3G. Mine is limited to wifi but that's fine with me. I get the ads but ignore them. You can option to have them disappear from the Home Page, which isn't the default.

The flush screen with the bezel of the Voyage is a non-issue for me (the PW's screen in slightly recessed, which doesn't bug me).

So, your saying OP that there's an upgrade to the PW with the Voyage's res?

I'm thoroughly pleased with my PW. I don't know that I'd like page turning from the bezel, I used to do that accidentally all the time with my KK. Page turning can be hit or miss with the PW, though, it doesn't always behave as I expect, and if there are hyperlinks in the text you can find yourself loading a link instead of a page turning if you aren't careful. I get the NY Times Blog and for that it's a real issue.

I'm fine with the font I have, don't know what it is, it's similar to Arial. I go landscape when it's supported, third smallest font from the left (IOW, two selections up from the smallest supported font size).

I'm not sure I'd like adaptive lighting. It can be turned off, it's true. I don't adjust my backlighting often, only rarely.

My PW is incredibly more readable than my KK. I use it all the time, I used my KK pretty rarely, it couldn't compete with paper and ink. My PW is better than paper and ink, I'd have to say definitely better. Battery life is around 4x better than the KK, it really is amazing especially when you consider that it supports a backlight!

My guess is that the consensus will be that this new PW (release on June 30) isn't a worthy upgrade from the PW 2nd gen. It will be cool if they have a firmware update for the 2nd gen that adds some features, of course! I'm not holding my breath, though, they want to promote people buying more stuff from them.

I think ultimately I won't worry, not for awhile at least. I'll wait for the new font and layout engine before I make any decision - I got other things I need and want to spend money on anyway. Extra resolution is really the only thing I'd like to see.

I wouldn't own a Kindle, or buy a book from Amazon. It doesn't support epub, and Amazon spies on users. They can also revoke books at any time.

The first rule of FOSS is to never stop talking about FOSS, right? Reminds me of Crossfit. :awe:

 

[lxskllr]

Every retailer spies on you. Kindles support DRM-free text & mobi, and it is up to the publisher not Amazon whether or not a kindle-format book uses DRM. Baen and some others do not.

Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. Neither my tablet nor phone report what I'm reading to anyone. I suppose my books could be deleted since every phone is backdoored, but the books are on several computers, and unrestricted, so it would only be inconvenient.

 

[xSauronx]

If I upgraded I'd do the Kobo Aura H20 for the larger screen size. Amazon's not gonna put out a larger size screen to fit more text on a page I'll go to somebody who will.

this is why i dont have a kindle reader
i have a large phone, the tiny reader is not much bigger and i always have the phone on me
/wants an 8" tablet anyway, so bah

 

[thedarkwolf]

Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. Neither my tablet nor phone report what I'm reading to anyone. I suppose my books could be deleted since every phone is backdoored, but the books are on several computers, and unrestricted, so it would only be inconvenient.

I think you are being a bit dramatic. I don't even have wifi turned on 99.9% of the time on my kindle.

 

[Linflas]

Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. Neither my tablet nor phone report what I'm reading to anyone. I suppose my books could be deleted since every phone is backdoored, but the books are on several computers, and unrestricted, so it would only be inconvenient.

Assuming this is true why the hell would I even care? I actually like that it keeps track of what I read so it can alert me to new books I might be interested in that I might otherwise miss.

 

[lxskllr]

Assuming this is true why the hell would I even care? I actually like that it keeps track of what I read so it can alert me to new books I might be interested in that I might otherwise miss.

Privacy is essential to the exercise of free speech, free thought, and free association. The courts have established a First Amendment right to receive information in a publicly funded library.1 Further, the courts have upheld the right to privacy based on the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution.2 Many states provide guarantees of privacy in their constitutions and statute law.3 Numerous decisions in case law have defined and extended rights to privacy.4

In a library (physical or virtual), the right to privacy is the right to open inquiry without having the subject of one’s interest examined or scrutinized by others. Confidentiality exists when a library is in possession of personally identifiable information about users and keeps that information private on their behalf.5

http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Sec...Management/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=88625

 

[IndyColtsFan]

OT? Mobile Devices? I dunno, a mod will surely sort this out if need be.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OQVZDJM?...l_9ri44b2mll_b

Looks like what I wanted all this time, a higher resolution Paperwhite. But... they increased the weight! D:

The Voyage is lighter, but... it can't be worth it, can it? Now that the 300 PPI display has been ported to a Paperwhite, the only remaining difference is the adaptive light and the touch-sensitive page-flip capability on the device edges as opposed to the screen. The flush screen is also a nice touch. Plus it's smaller and lighter all around.

That does at least seem to confirm that Amazon is intent on bringing the new Bookerly font and rendering engine to the Paperwhite, but I do hope they update the 2nd gen Paperwhite. I'm afraid they'll make it an exclusive to the latest gen.

It appears to be identical to the previous generation elsewhere, such as size and weight.
I might be happy enough if the layout rendering engine and new font make their way to the 2nd gen. But I'd love a sharper screen.

I have a Voyage and a Kindle (4th gen IIRC) and previously had the Paperwhite 2 for a few weeks, which I gave to the wife. The Voyage is definitely a nicer device - it is smaller and lighter (made from magnesium or aluminum rather than all plastic) and the glass screen flush with the bezel is great. I do use the haptic feedback buttons all the time, but I don't consider those a dealbreaker. The adaptive light sensor is nice as well but again, not a dealbreaker IMO.

With that being said, I don't know that the Voyage is worth the $80 premium. In my case, I had been following the rumors for awhile and wanted a really nice eReader so I splurged.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. Neither my tablet nor phone report what I'm reading to anyone. I suppose my books could be deleted since every phone is backdoored, but the books are on several computers, and unrestricted, so it would only be inconvenient.

Of course Amazon "knows" what books and pages you've read or are currently on -- how else would it be possible for you to move between devices and pick up from where you left off if there wasn't some sort of centralized synchronization point?

 

[Thump553]

My Kindle PW (2nd gen) is one of the nicest and most useful electronic gizmos I've ever owned. The size is perfect for one handed use, weight is pretty much negligible and the back light is nice and even. I can and have read on it for hours without eye fatigue-try that with a computer monitor or phone sometime. Amazon gives away so many free books, coupled with the once a month borrowing privilege under Amazon Prime and that many libraries now loan out ebooks in the Kindle format means that I rarely actually buy a book.

I suppose even sharper resolution would be nice, but the only thing that really on my list of features I'd love is some way to page the Kindle so it beeps or something. Would save a lot of time and frustration hunting for a misplaced Kindle. I would also like a bit faster processor-mine is noticeably slow in putting new books into categories-but I have 200+ books on the Kindle so I can't really complain about that.

 

[IronWing]

Amazon knows what page you're reading, what sections you highlighted, which books/pages you've re-read. .

Dang, I might have to get a kindle. With paper books I find myself rereading tha same pages trying to find where I left off. "Hmm, the author is getting kind of redundant, doh!"

 

[destrekor]

http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Sec...Management/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=88625

Okay?

That applies only to the interactions between government entities and citizens. A publicly-funded library is a government entity.

Nothing Amazon does is "wrong" in that you agree to what they do when you buy into those services. I know you hate Google for the same thing, and I don't you don't trust that these entities are truthful and forthcoming about how they store that data and who has access. That said, it really is quite a leap to say "Amazon knows..." when really it is just the backend software and databases, and humans aren't reading that. The whole connection of what to offer you through ads and through suggestions based on your prior history is driven by algorithms.

You can believe that that is crossing the line, and that is your choice and your money.

But many of us like the services so we give up limited rights to a specific entity. I'm a big believer in privacy as it applies to government, but private entities are offering free services that are very beneficial.

Of course there is a minor price, in that you provide data for the algorithm so that the algorithms can better predict for future customers as well as yourself, which enables them to be more effective at suggesting and advertising what is popular so they can make more money.

There is no intent of truly knowing what you are doing, and I feel quite safe in the assumption that no human actually has access to that data.

They might be able to see your order history, but the number of retailers that don't store your order history is quickly diminishing, especially if you get into any rewards programs (which frankly, are entirely worth it IMHO, I don't care if a store knows what I bought from said store).

Frankly, some of you blow things out of proportion to make the issues larger than they ought to be. If you don't want to subscribe to those services, don't. Cool, we don't care. But to continue to stress and stress the doom and gloom gets a little tiresome. :\

The ability to sync pages between devices, keep track of what words I have looked up in the dictionary so I can continue to reference that list, and other benefits of Amazon's cloud delivery system, is freaking fantastic IMHO.

 

[nageov3t]

I wonder if anything's changed under the hood.

tbh, my only complaint about my last-gen Kindle Paperwhite is how slow it is... not that I expect PC performance, but it's annoying that it's easier to shop for books by pulling out my cellphone and going to amazon.com rather than using the storefront on the Kindle itself.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Okay?

That applies only to the interactions between government entities and citizens. A publicly-funded library is a government entity.

Nothing Amazon does is "wrong" in that you agree to what they do when you buy into those services. I know you hate Google for the same thing, and I don't you don't trust that these entities are truthful and forthcoming about how they store that data and who has access. That said, it really is quite a leap to say "Amazon knows..." when really it is just the backend software and databases, and humans aren't reading that. The whole connection of what to offer you through ads and through suggestions based on your prior history is driven by algorithms.

You can believe that that is crossing the line, and that is your choice and your money.

But many of us like the services so we give up limited rights to a specific entity. I'm a big believer in privacy as it applies to government, but private entities are offering free services that are very beneficial.

Of course there is a minor price, in that you provide data for the algorithm so that the algorithms can better predict for future customers as well as yourself, which enables them to be more effective at suggesting and advertising what is popular so they can make more money.

There is no intent of truly knowing what you are doing, and I feel quite safe in the assumption that no human actually has access to that data.

They might be able to see your order history, but the number of retailers that don't store your order history is quickly diminishing, especially if you get into any rewards programs (which frankly, are entirely worth it IMHO, I don't care if a store knows what I bought from said store).

Frankly, some of you blow things out of proportion to make the issues larger than they ought to be. If you don't want to subscribe to those services, don't. Cool, we don't care. But to continue to stress and stress the doom and gloom gets a little tiresome. :\

The ability to sync pages between devices, keep track of what words I have looked up in the dictionary so I can continue to reference that list, and other benefits of Amazon's cloud delivery system, is freaking fantastic IMHO.

:thumbsup:

Well said.

 

[lxskllr]

Okay?

That applies only to the interactions between government entities and citizens. A publicly-funded library is a government entity.

Nothing Amazon does is "wrong" in that you agree to what they do when you buy into those services.

I would be surprised if you knew what you agreed to in the ToS that's eye bleedingly long, and obtuse. 99% of the people don't, and pointing to a document like that as a matter of ethics is disingenuous.

I know you hate Google for the same thing, and I don't you don't trust that these entities are truthful and forthcoming about how they store that data and who has access. That said, it really is quite a leap to say "Amazon knows..." when really it is just the backend software and databases, and humans aren't reading that. The whole connection of what to offer you through ads and through suggestions based on your prior history is driven by algorithms.

I can't believe you'd posit that after what we've learned in the last three years. What Amazon has, the government has. That's not counting "trusted partners" who you've never dealt with.

The ability to sync pages between devices, keep track of what words I have looked up in the dictionary so I can continue to reference that list, and other benefits of Amazon's cloud delivery system, is freaking fantastic IMHO.

Wow, it has bookmarks. Such a miraculous technology. The most primitive text web browser can do that.

You know what's tiresome? People tauting trivial conveniences with the wild abandon of a schoolgirl, while ignoring the very real drawbacks and elimination of traditional rights for a penny or two of hd space.

 

[Pocatello]

I would be surprised if you knew what you agreed to in the ToS that's eye bleedingly long, and obtuse. 99% of the people don't, and pointing to a document like that as a matter of ethics is disingenuous.



I can't believe you'd posit that after what we've learned in the last three years. What Amazon has, the government has. That's not counting "trusted partners" who you've never dealt with.


Wow, it has bookmarks. Such a miraculous technology. The most primitive text web browser can do that.

You know what's tiresome? People tauting trivial conveniences with the wild abandon of a schoolgirl, while ignoring the very real drawbacks and elimination of traditional rights for a penny or two of hd space.

You're the one who is tiresome.