New Jersey Man Dies in Custody After ‘Brutal’ Beating by Police

[crashtech]

It's like the video is a kind of inkblot test. Biases can be revealed by what one reads into the blurry action.

 

[Darwin333]

Where did you hear that about the handcuffs? From what I've read, he wasn't handcuffed until after the dog was removed from him.

And, in the video, the dog clearly is not biting his face. I wouldn't think that they are trained to go for the face - and they definitely are trained for where to grab.

I have a German Shepard Dog (GSD) and while I haven't put him through Schutzhund training both of his parents are Schutzhund 3 and the guy I bought him from trains the vast majority of the police dogs in the region. I bring mine out once a month or so, more for him to play than train, and I am pretty familiar with the training.

They don't necessarily train the dog to bite anywhere. Generally when a man is standing they go for the arm because in training the guy in the big red suit puts his arm up (as do most people when being attacked by a beast of a dog) which allows the dog to bring the man to the ground which is the goal. Once on the ground, dogs generally go for the neck. Why, I assume it's because instinct over the centuries taught them that is the best way to kill their prey. Animals, including humans, have instincts too which generally involve protecting vital areas like the neck.

Bottom line is from what I have seen of both highly trained dogs and dogs being trained is that if you are on the ground the general head area is where they are going to bite. The biggest issue that I see with police dogs is the handler not being nearly as trained as the dog.

 

[pcgeek11]

Where did you hear that about the handcuffs? From what I've read, he wasn't handcuffed until after the dog was removed from him.

And, in the video, the dog clearly is not biting his face. I wouldn't think that they are trained to go for the face - and they definitely are trained for where to grab.

I was making a sarcastic remark about what some other posters had quoted from some of the bystanders:

"They punched him, stomped him, kicked him and then they let the dog out of the car," witness Ricardo Garcia told WCAU. "The dog bit him on his face and around his body. There's no call for that. Once a man is handcuffed and unconscious, you should have stuck him in the patrol car and take him to the police station. Instead they decided to beat him right here."

When it was clear he got his due ass whipping and dog biting prior to being subdued and handcuffed.

 

[DrPizza]

I was making a sarcastic remark about what some other posters had quoted from some of the bystanders:

"They punched him, stomped him, kicked him and then they let the dog out of the car," witness Ricardo Garcia told WCAU. "The dog bit him on his face and around his body. There's no call for that. Once a man is handcuffed and unconscious, you should have stuck him in the patrol car and take him to the police station. Instead they decided to beat him right here."

When it was clear he got his due ass whipping and dog biting prior to being subdued and handcuffed.

Ahh.
I think the only thing that makes sense in this case is bad drugs - he was reportedly calm and interacting with the police, but needed medical assistance. He went from that to violent to dead in a matter of minutes.

 

[JTsyo]

I have a German Shepard Dog (GSD) and while I haven't put him through Schutzhund training both of his parents are Schutzhund 3 and the guy I bought him from trains the vast majority of the police dogs in the region. I bring mine out once a month or so, more for him to play than train, and I am pretty familiar with the training.

They don't necessarily train the dog to bite anywhere. Generally when a man is standing they go for the arm because in training the guy in the big red suit puts his arm up (as do most people when being attacked by a beast of a dog) which allows the dog to bring the man to the ground which is the goal. Once on the ground, dogs generally go for the neck. Why, I assume it's because instinct over the centuries taught them that is the best way to kill their prey. Animals, including humans, have instincts too which generally involve protecting vital areas like the neck.

Bottom line is from what I have seen of both highly trained dogs and dogs being trained is that if you are on the ground the general head area is where they are going to bite. The biggest issue that I see with police dogs is the handler not being nearly as trained as the dog.

I might not have much experience with dogs but this is not true for police dogs. They will hold on to the suspect until told to release by the officer. They are trained to assist in the arrest not be battle dogs of the past.