I was using a G4 dual 1Ghz Mac at school with OSX 10.3 and it was quite fast so I don't know where others are coming from. And OSX is much more advanced graphically than WinXP (it even uses OpenGL).
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: remagavon
As am I. If they upgraded the video to something that could support all of the 10.4 features then I'd definitely consider one over the mini (for low range pricing). It'd be around $400 more for something faster and portable.Here's hoping.
I'm hoping for 512MB of ram by default.
And a higher res screen
Windows XP != OSX. I think most people use OSX at Compusa and make judgments on it.
@Eug; I have to give you serious credit to keep posting info here despite the flames.
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Heh. Actually volrath's flame has some truth to it. Win XP's UI is faster on old hardware than 10.3's is now, on top of the line hardware. However, that's almost like saying OS 9's UI is faster on old hardware than 10.3's is now, on top of the line hardware. Win XP's UI does a heluvalot less than OS X's. Some people think it's a waste, but personally I like the increased functionality as well as the eye candy. eg. Drop shadows, transparent windows, Exposé, and stuff like Core Image effects and Dashboard in 10.4, etc.
The ironic part is Microsoft is going the same direction. Recommendations for Longhorn are for beefy hardware, including a DX9 class video card, which incidentally is exactly the same as the recommendation as for OS X.
The thing is, Apple was pushing these technologies 4 years ago and introduced the GPU acceleration in pieces, while Longhorn won't ship until 2006, hopefully for Microsoft's sake with everything in place. It will be interesting to see how the UI speeds compare in 2006. My guess is that they will feel about similar, and without top notch hardware both will feel slower than XP does on old hardware.
I don't think that Longhorn will be too bad, especially since most people who purchase it will have the hardware required or buy a system with it preinstalled. An interesting article over at cnet described how the graphics engine will work in Longhorn. Apparently there will be a three tiered graphical model. Depending upon the speed of your machine and graphics cards capabilities, the UI will be able to display different things. "Aero Glass" is the highest tier and can run with a 64MB+ graphics card which they actually cite as "high-end" which I find odd:
In 2006, I doubt there will be many card that are less, and those that are probably won't be interested in upgrading to Longhorn.
Here is the full article:
Linkage.
In 2006, I doubt there will be many card that are less, and those that are probably won't be interested in upgrading to Longhorn.
Here is the full article:
Linkage.
Originally posted by: usernamemax20charact
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: remagavon
As am I. If they upgraded the video to something that could support all of the 10.4 features then I'd definitely consider one over the mini (for low range pricing). It'd be around $400 more for something faster and portable.
I'm hoping for 512MB of ram by default.
And a higher res screen
That'd be nice, but I can live with craptacular 1024x768 on a 12" screen.
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That's the way OS X works now.
Tier 1: Shader 2.0 (DirectX 9 class) GPU for Core Image effects
Tier 2: GeForce2 MX or higher for Quartz Extreme
Tier 3: Everyone else.
64 MB is OK, because assuming you're running just one reasonably sized screen (20"), you can have a fair amount of open windows without exhausting the on board memory. More memory is preferred for bigger screens and dual screens though.
Heh, you're quite anti-mac aren't you. Second or third thread you have posted that in the last days? =p
I dunno...I like macs, but they certainly aren't for everyone. It just makes me mad when people don't give them a chance. (not accusing anyone, though
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It's good to hear about these updates. If they are true, then I'll definitely get a "better" iMac G5.
As for Tiger, from a development side it's quite good. I was at a WWDC Preview the other night and they showed off development tools in Tiger, and I was quite impressed (well, everyone in the room was too, and quite a few of them were Windows developers).
As for Tiger, from a development side it's quite good. I was at a WWDC Preview the other night and they showed off development tools in Tiger, and I was quite impressed (well, everyone in the room was too, and quite a few of them were Windows developers).
Most people don't know that the G5 suffered the same problems as Intel went from P3 to P4 with longer buses and weaker FPUs to ramp up processor speed.
Too bad they can't shorten the bus and clock a G4 at 2.7Ghz that thing would fly.
If you want to see a big difference in performance get a G5 2ghz and get the fastest G4 and run Virtual PC 7. VPC7 will fly faster on a G4 than a G5 even when clocked higher.
In the short term Macs are cheaper think about all the extra software you have to buy for security reasons on a Windows machine than a Mac, it adds up (assuming you don't pirate).
I'm surprised the 2.3 ghz is only support 4GB of ram it doesn't make sense to me. You can get the current G5s supporting 8GB. Hopefully Tiger can actually use 8GB. I was talking to someone on the phone when I did VPC7 support and they said nothing really can take advantage of 8GB of ram right now (10.3) the most it can do is 4GB max.
Too bad they can't shorten the bus and clock a G4 at 2.7Ghz that thing would fly.
If you want to see a big difference in performance get a G5 2ghz and get the fastest G4 and run Virtual PC 7. VPC7 will fly faster on a G4 than a G5 even when clocked higher.
In the short term Macs are cheaper think about all the extra software you have to buy for security reasons on a Windows machine than a Mac, it adds up (assuming you don't pirate).
I'm surprised the 2.3 ghz is only support 4GB of ram it doesn't make sense to me. You can get the current G5s supporting 8GB. Hopefully Tiger can actually use 8GB. I was talking to someone on the phone when I did VPC7 support and they said nothing really can take advantage of 8GB of ram right now (10.3) the most it can do is 4GB max.
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Confirmed!
From Amazon:
Apple Power Mac G5 - $2999
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 250 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Also:
Apple Power Mac G5 - $2499
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 250 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Apple Power Mac G5 - $1999
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 160 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Not a hugely impressive update after 10 months, unless they got rid of the liquid cooling. Also, I was hoping for a price drop, but no dice.
From Amazon:
Apple Power Mac G5 - $2999
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 250 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Also:
Apple Power Mac G5 - $2499
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.3 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 250 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Apple Power Mac G5 - $1999
- Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
- Dual 2.0 GHz PowerPC G5
- 512 MB of DDR SDRAM
- 160 GB hard drive
- 16x Dual Layer SuperDrive (CD/DVD+/-RW)
Not a hugely impressive update after 10 months, unless they got rid of the liquid cooling. Also, I was hoping for a price drop, but no dice.
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Well, their Power Mac line didn't do very well last quarter.Originally posted by: ViRGE
Come on Eug, this is Apple durring boom years, they're not going to give us a price drop when they're doing well as-is.
It seems that a lot of people are waiting for PCIe/faster clockspeed/dual-core, etc.
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By that logic, most places charge too much. Newegg lists 23" 1920 x 1200 lcds for ~1700. 24" models are ~1500.
There aren't very many companies that can price like Dell.
Apple's tech specs are a bit sparse.
Does the new Power Mac G5 still support the DVI to S-Video cable?
Is there some cable for component out, or would that require a PCI card of some type?
Does the new Power Mac G5 still support the DVI to S-Video cable?
Is there some cable for component out, or would that require a PCI card of some type?
personally, if i'm paying upwards of 3-4k for a system, i'd love to have at least 1G of ram. 2g seems best for PS and other programs most used on macs.
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