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new home pre-wiring

Chanz01

Junior Member
Hi all,

Sorry in advance for the ignorance on the variety of topics from a newbie.

I'm likely to be closing on a new construction home in December and am at the point where I can tell the builder over the next few weeks how/where I would like any wiring done. I was hoping for some insight, perhaps from anyone who was once in my shoes.

The standard cost for my builder to add a one-port 5e jack is $125 per location (yes, pricey). At the infamous first "design center" meeting last week, they mentioned I can propose other options. Thus, I was thinking about proposing they price out the cost of doing a four-port 5e jack instead of just one jack per location. It would cost me $100 to "propose" the idea and for them to research the feasibility, but that cost would be applied towards the option should I ultimately elect to see it through. My hope is that it wouldn't cost me much more to do the four-port over the single port through the builder.

A few notes: I have no experience in working with low-voltage electric and no "handyman" experience that would be applicable here, thus I'm hesitant to try it myself--even after reading the sticky here and other resources. It's a two-story home with a basement and attic. I was thinking of doing three different four-port locations: in the family room, master BR, and loft/den.

The questions I have:

1) Would this be something I could add later despite my complete lack of experience with wiring/drywall?

2) I have a builder option to run 1 1/2" PVC from attic to basement for $445. Yes, also pricey. Was this useful for anyone who has had this done?

3) I would likely keep my U Verse internet with the wireless router that came with it. It also has four ethernet ports. Sorry for the ignorance, but would I just connect it into one of the existing 12 ports? Would I then just hook up my PS3, tv, Blu-ray, etc through the newly created 12 ports instead of the router?

4) My wife thinks they said the central wiring panel was to be located in the attic (I'll get clarification this week), anyone else hear of that before? If so, would that present any issues going forward?

5) Would it be difficult to have an electric contractor do the jacks after the fact instead? Would it even be cheaper?

From reading around, while the house is being built sounds like my best opportunity to do what I needed. Thanks in advance for any insight.
 
Sticky here has everything you need to know.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2053136

0) $125 for a wallless install sounds high to me. We charge that for buildings that are hung already... Also 1 cable or 4 cables is a minimal upgrade for us.
1) yes but the price goes up not down.
2) it can be handy if you ever need to pull anything up there. Bigger is better imho
3) you just need a switch to add more ports
4) That is the worst place. You want it in the basement or on the first floor in some place that is easy to access but out of site. Make sure they pull power to it also.
5) uh well technically it is more expensive but with the quotes you are getting it might be cheaper....
 
my cost for 5e wiring was about $50 per room. It should be cheap because they are already doing phone wire. Also they used 5e wire for phone lines, so they told me even if I don't Ethernet every room, I can use phone wire for it later, with little work on my own.
 
I would find out what is included in your base price as far as wiring goes and then go from there. In my house they used cat-5e to wire the phone into every room. I simply repurposed the phone lines into ethernet jacks as I only need one phone jack for the base of my cordless phone. I then went to the "central wiring panel" and disconnected the wires from the phone company panel and plugged them into my own patch panel and then plugged them all together with a switch. Cost me about $40 at monoprice.com and now every "phone" jack is an ethernet port connected to my home network.
 
3) you just need a switch to add more ports
4) That is the worst place. You want it in the basement or on the first floor in some place that is easy to access but out of site. Make sure they pull power to it also.

I'm sorry, I'm not clear on #3. Where in my configuration would the switch go? I've seen a few recommended switches mentioned in various posts, but I wasn't clear if whatever I was doing needed one.

I should find out more clarification this week on the location. Agreed, hopefully not the attic. It's in my pantry in my current townhome on the main level. Easy access there.

I would find out what is included in your base price as far as wiring goes and then go from there. In my house they used cat-5e to wire the phone into every room. I simply repurposed the phone lines into ethernet jacks as I only need one phone jack for the base of my cordless phone. I then went to the "central wiring panel" and disconnected the wires from the phone company panel and plugged them into my own patch panel and then plugged them all together with a switch. Cost me about $40 at monoprice.com and now every "phone" jack is an ethernet port connected to my home network.

Cat5e didn't even cross my mind as a possibility for their phone wiring. I'll certainly ask. While I have a home phone currently, we honestly may dump it altogether when we move. The only thing included in the pricing is two coax and two phone. As long as I get the two phone included, may as well use them.

CAT5 in new construction?

not CAT6 and multi mode fiber side by side?

Yes, cat5e. I could always "propose" they use cat6. If I don't, it's cat5e by default.

Thanks everyone for your help thus far. When I get the other answers from the builder, I'll chime back in...
 
Seems high IMO. You can get CAT6 cable for 100 dollars for a one thousand foot spool. Keystone jacks + plates are only around 6 dollars per location. I would definitely get CAT6. It's so easy to wire the house once they start wiring things, that you could go in after they leave for the day and run it through the phone line routing holes yourself in about a hour. Then finish it when they come to do the dry wall. If you have a good relationship with your contractor, I doubt he would mind. Thy aren't hot lines or anything. You don't want to be stingy with locations. IMO I would route them to the basement for a nas/server and have a gigabit switch down there. With Internet speeds going up to gigabit already, you want to be prepared for the next 20 years. Cat5e isn't even worth messing with today. Especially with monoprice prices on cat6.
 
Seems high IMO. You can get CAT6 cable for 100 dollars for a one thousand foot spool. Keystone jacks + plates are only around 6 dollars per location. I would definitely get CAT6. It's so easy to wire the house once they start wiring things, that you could go in after they leave for the day and run it through the phone line routing holes yourself in about a hour. Then finish it when they come to do the dry wall. If you have a good relationship with your contractor, I doubt he would mind. Thy aren't hot lines or anything. You don't want to be stingy with locations. IMO I would route them to the basement for a nas/server and have a gigabit switch down there. With Internet speeds going up to gigabit already, you want to be prepared for the next 20 years. Cat5e isn't even worth messing with today. Especially with monoprice prices on cat6.

A relative recently did exactly this and was force to remove all of the wire he had run before construction would proceed. The builder stated that since they didn't install it they couldn't insure it was done to code.
 
I'm sorry, I'm not clear on #3. Where in my configuration would the switch go? I've seen a few recommended switches mentioned in various posts, but I wasn't clear if whatever I was doing needed one.

I should find out more clarification this week on the location. Agreed, hopefully not the attic. It's in my pantry in my current townhome on the main level. Easy access there.



Cat5e didn't even cross my mind as a possibility for their phone wiring. I'll certainly ask. While I have a home phone currently, we honestly may dump it altogether when we move. The only thing included in the pricing is two coax and two phone. As long as I get the two phone included, may as well use them.



Yes, cat5e. I could always "propose" they use cat6. If I don't, it's cat5e by default.

Thanks everyone for your help thus far. When I get the other answers from the builder, I'll chime back in...

3) uVerse -> switch -> many more ports.
 
Hi all,

Sorry in advance for the ignorance on the variety of topics from a newbie.

I'm likely to be closing on a new construction home in December and am at the point where I can tell the builder over the next few weeks how/where I would like any wiring done. I was hoping for some insight, perhaps from anyone who was once in my shoes.

The standard cost for my builder to add a one-port 5e jack is $125 per location (yes, pricey). At the infamous first "design center" meeting last week, they mentioned I can propose other options. Thus, I was thinking about proposing they price out the cost of doing a four-port 5e jack instead of just one jack per location. It would cost me $100 to "propose" the idea and for them to research the feasibility, but that cost would be applied towards the option should I ultimately elect to see it through. My hope is that it wouldn't cost me much more to do the four-port over the single port through the builder.

A few notes: I have no experience in working with low-voltage electric and no "handyman" experience that would be applicable here, thus I'm hesitant to try it myself--even after reading the sticky here and other resources. It's a two-story home with a basement and attic. I was thinking of doing three different four-port locations: in the family room, master BR, and loft/den.

The questions I have:

1) Would this be something I could add later despite my complete lack of experience with wiring/drywall?

2) I have a builder option to run 1 1/2" PVC from attic to basement for $445. Yes, also pricey. Was this useful for anyone who has had this done?

3) I would likely keep my U Verse internet with the wireless router that came with it. It also has four ethernet ports. Sorry for the ignorance, but would I just connect it into one of the existing 12 ports? Would I then just hook up my PS3, tv, Blu-ray, etc through the newly created 12 ports instead of the router?

4) My wife thinks they said the central wiring panel was to be located in the attic (I'll get clarification this week), anyone else hear of that before? If so, would that present any issues going forward?

5) Would it be difficult to have an electric contractor do the jacks after the fact instead? Would it even be cheaper?

From reading around, while the house is being built sounds like my best opportunity to do what I needed. Thanks in advance for any insight.

On number 2) ask for two 2 inch pvc from attic to basement one one each end of the house.

oh they are charging a lot so ask if they can give you two for 600 not 445 x 2 = 890. if you bring someone in later prices will be higher.
 
A relative recently did exactly this and was force to remove all of the wire he had run before construction would proceed. The builder stated that since they didn't install it they couldn't insure it was done to code.

same thing happened to my friends build also.. contractor wants nothing of it..
 
If you're a "connected" family, like mine is, then yes, having the pre-wiring done will be worth it in the end. The builder definitely charges a premium to have this done, even though it doesn't cost even a fraction of what they charge. I actually saw the bill accidentally that my builder paid the electrician to wire my entire house and it was ridiculously low compared to what I paid the builder JUST for the data pre-wiring.

With the floors that you're having, at minimum I would have two data jacks put in your main rooms on several floors AND have 2 2" PVC conduits installed from the basement to your attic at both sides of your house. This is difficult, if not impossible after the house is already up and everything. I know I paid about a grand for all my data pre-wiring and it all runs to one central spot in my laundry room where I put a terminated everything to a 24 port patch panel and installed a switch and it works great.

With wireless being so prevalent, if you have data jacks in several locations on each floor, you could get away with a few wireless AP's to provide adequate signal.
 
A relative recently did exactly this and was force to remove all of the wire he had run before construction would proceed. The builder stated that since they didn't install it they couldn't insure it was done to code.

Yeah definitely talk to the contractor before performing any installation by yourself.
 
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