New HD-DVD players to be incompatible with many HD-TVs

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
T

ToeJam13

Senior member
May 18, 2004
504
0
0
According to an article on Digital Spy and other sources, Toshiba has announced plans that their next generation high-defintion video disc players (HD-DVD) will be designed to restrict HD output to a limited number of digital interconnections (HDMI, DVI.D) that support HDCP copy protection.

Owners of televisions with analog interconnectors (component, RGB/RGBI) and non-protected digital (DVI.D) will be restricted to low resolution 480p output.

Toshiba has not announced plans for retrofitting existing Toshiba televisions with new daughterboards supporting HDMI/HDCP interconnections.
 
RedCOMET

RedCOMET

Platinum Member
Jul 8, 2002
2,836
0
0
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'll just rip it and watch it on my HTPC w/32" LCD... big deal.
Click to expand...

not every one is as fortunate as you are.

<--- One of those unfortunates
 
D

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
54,889
47
91
www.alienbabeltech.com
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
According to an article on Digital Spy and other sources, Toshiba has announced plans that their next generation high-defintion video disc players (HD-DVD) will be designed to restrict HD output to a limited number of digital interconnections (HDMI, DVI.D) that support HDCP copy protection.

Owners of televisions with analog interconnectors (component, RGB/RGBI) and non-protected digital (DVI.D) will be restricted to low resolution 480p output.

Toshiba has not announced plans for retrofitting existing Toshiba televisions with new daughterboards supporting HDMI/HDCP interconnections.
Click to expand...

No surprise here. The U.S. is all about going backwards now.
 
I

irwincur

Golden Member
Jul 8, 2002
1,899
0
0
I also knew that HDCP was going to be a giant mistake. Sadly I saw this coming, yet my dumb a$$ still bought a component only HDTV a few months too early (three years ago). I suspect that there will be a converter box - or the backlash will be massive. All Sony has to do to win this fight is to allow component. As much as I hate Sony, Toshiba is basically handing this battle to them. Even though I am sure that Sony will also go the HDCP route.

What the hell, I never watch movies anyways. I can't stand handing my hard earned cash over to people that act like working two hours a day for millions is tough work.
 
C

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
58,686
3
0
Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'll just rip it and watch it on my HTPC w/32" LCD... big deal.
Click to expand...
Hmm...guess I could do that but I'll need some bigger drives. ;)
 
L

Legend

Platinum Member
Apr 21, 2005
2,254
1
0
Last I heard Toshiba was ditching their HDDVD and supporting HVDs. I'm so confused about this. Would they just STFU and make a single format. Or we'll have DVD audio all over again.
 
EvilYoda

EvilYoda

Lifer
Apr 1, 2001
21,198
9
81
not exactly a huge shocker to those really following the industry. same reason why the Lite-On 2001 was pulled and why you can currently only use the upconverting feature of DVD players via a digital medium such as DVI or HDMI.

But I do sympathize with those who won't be able to take advantage of it...look at it this way: you've got a few more years until they're firmly rooted in the market (if ever), in which case you have plenty of time to buy a new TV. :p
 
Z

zendari

Banned
May 27, 2005
6,558
0
0
Is this for copy protection purposes? Most people AFAIK copy DVDs on their PC and not on standalone player/recorders.
 
Squisher

Squisher

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
21,204
66
91
I hope all the manufacturers do this, that way I can swoop in with a backward compatible device of my own for sale and make enough MULA to rule the world.
 
I

InlineFive

Diamond Member
Sep 20, 2003
9,599
2
0
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
According to an article on Digital Spy and other sources, Toshiba has announced plans that their next generation high-defintion video disc players (HD-DVD) will be designed to restrict HD output to a limited number of digital interconnections (HDMI, DVI.D) that support HDCP copy protection.

Owners of televisions with analog interconnectors (component, RGB/RGBI) and non-protected digital (DVI.D) will be restricted to low resolution 480p output.

Toshiba has not announced plans for retrofitting existing Toshiba televisions with new daughterboards supporting HDMI/HDCP interconnections.
Click to expand...

No surprise here. The U.S. is all about going backwards now.
Click to expand...

No kidding.
 
S

SynthDude2001

Lifer
Mar 19, 2003
18,289
2
71
:thumbsdown:

My LCD's DVI input doesn't support HDCP, so I hope I'm not screwed. Actually, I just hope the rumors of PC drives/burners are true, then I wouldn't even have to worry about set-top players.
 
M

MagicConch

Golden Member
Apr 7, 2005
1,239
1
0
There will always be the player that will output the signal via analog component so I would not worry (at least up to 1080i). There is a player already that outputs 1080i over component now by upscaling 480p. That also was only supposed to be done on HDMI (came out a long time ago) and DVI.
 
T

ToeJam13

Senior member
May 18, 2004
504
0
0
Originally posted by: quakefiend420
what's the difference between dvi and dvi.d?
Click to expand...

DVI is a family of connectors:

DVI.D is a digital only connector
DVI.A is an analog only connector
DVI.I is a combo connector, supporting both digital and analog.

There is a fantastic wiki on DVI over at Wikipedia.

Originally posted by: zendari
Is this for copy protection purposes? Most people AFAIK copy DVDs on their PC and not on standalone player/recorders.
Click to expand...
Correct. Since a new copy protection scheme is planned for both HD-DVD and BluRay, the studios believe that people will be forced to use capture devices to get around the stream encryption on the discs. As such, unless the receiving device honors HDCP, its not going to receive a high resolution image.

Eventually, the copy protection will be cracked and we'll be able to make archives of our collection like we do now. However, until that happens, we have to suffer with the "features" the manufacturers put into these devices for "our" own "protection".


I hope this doesn't spread. DirecTV plans on replacing all of its receiver boxes in the next few years (upgrading from MPEG2 to MPEG4-AVC/H264), like it or not. They could easily do the same thing - downgrade receiption of HBO-HD and other premium stations to low grade 480p if you're using component or non-HDCP digital.

If these people start pulling this crap, you can sign my name up for a class action lawsuit.
 
E

EyeMWing

Banned
Jun 13, 2003
15,670
1
0
Originally posted by: zendari
Is this for copy protection purposes? Most people AFAIK copy DVDs on their PC and not on standalone player/recorders.
Click to expand...

Yes, it is. And you're correct. Copy protection NEVER inconveniences pirates anymore - it's just business as usual for them. It ALWAYS inconveniences legitimate customers (see: EA Games vs. me, 11ty billion other people with legitimate reasons to have "piracy software" and multiple physical optical drives)
 
T

ToeJam13

Senior member
May 18, 2004
504
0
0
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: zendari
Is this for copy protection purposes? Most people AFAIK copy DVDs on their PC and not on standalone player/recorders.
Click to expand...

Yes, it is. And you're correct. Copy protection NEVER inconveniences pirates anymore - it's just business as usual for them. It ALWAYS inconveniences legitimate customers (see: EA Games vs. me, 11ty billion other people with legitimate reasons to have "piracy software" and multiple physical optical drives)
Click to expand...

Yet manufacturers do not understand this. There will always be a bypass for copy protection devices.

One of the first methods for decoding MPEG2 streams from DVD discs was to hook into software players such as WinDVD and redirect the output to disc. This method is currently being used to bypass CPPM copy-protection on DVD-Audio discs. It will happen again with HD-DVD and BluRay.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom