New hands, new start

[CADsortaGUY]

"Only thing I wonder," said Qasim Kadim, "is why the Americans didn't come in 1993. They could have walked in and taken Baghdad with 100 men. We've been waiting all these years."

"Besides losing our hands," Mr. Hassein continued, "we were scarred on our foreheads. The regime wanted us to be psychologically scarred forever."
Those marks resemble small crosslike tattoos.
The men might have faded into history and been forgotten, but some of the doctors who were assigned to amputate the men's hands decided they should make a record of the ceremony, to ingratiate themselves with Saddam. So they hired a photographer to videotape the amputations.
Saddam repeatedly showed the video of the amputations as a threat to those who might oppose his regime. But after U.S. troops liberated Baghdad, the video helped bring the men's plight to public attention and brought them to Houston.

For 7 Iraqis, a vital part of life is restored - Tale of amputation under Hussein stirs compassion

HOUSTON - Nine years ago in Abu Ghraib prison, on the night before doctors were to cut off his right hand, Nazaar Joudi wrote a letter to his wife. It was the final act he was to perform with the hand, which was to be methodically removed on Saddam Hussein's orders as punishment for the crime of doing business in American dollars.

"Do not be sad," Joudi wrote to Um Fuqaan that night. "Hopefully Allah will replace my hand with an even better one. . . . God will reward you for standing next to your husband and being my right hand."

Thanks to a Fairfax-based film producer, a half-dozen health care providers and businesses in Houston, and a legendary "white knight in blue spectacles," Joudi's promise to his wife came true last Monday.

CkG

 

[Perknose]

Got any stories out of North Korea for us.

You know, 'cause you care so very much.

 

[conjur]

Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

 

[DealMonkey]

Oooh, another "See? We're not as bad as Saddam." story. :roll:

At least we didn't amputate anyone's arms, right? We just beat the sh~t out of them in the showers, bludgeoned them to death then posed for "thumbs up" pictures with their corpse before they trucked it out of Abu Ghraib to dispose of it somewhere where it wouldn't be found ...

 

[CaptnKirk]

Don't you just love the concepts within the Islamic Laws ?

They make the Republican Party seem . . . Civilized.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Don't you just love the concepts within the Islamic Laws ?

They make the Republican Party seem . . . Civilized.

Many of us here in America wish we adopted a strict form of Christian Law, with punishments that actually fit the crime as they do in the Islamic Law.

Zephyr

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Don't you just love the concepts within the Islamic Laws ?

They make the Republican Party seem . . . Civilized.

Many of us here in America wish we adopted a strict form of Christian Law, with punishments that actually fit the crime as they do in the Islamic Law.

Zephyr

Yes, and the majority rest of us wish you'd get your bible humping hands off of the Republican Party. You're giving it a bad name.

 

[NightCrawler]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

Agian with the 70-90% where is that from ?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: NightCrawler

Originally posted by: conjur
Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

Agian with the 70-90% where is that from ?

One would think people would read the news once in a while or at least know how to use Google news.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1309021&CFID=1177103&CFTOKEN=13406656

 

[n0cmonkey]

Two wrongs don't make a right...

Nor does 1 in retaliation for thousands. The ends do not justify the means.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Two wrongs don't make a right...

Nor does 1 in retaliation for thousands. The ends do not justify the means.

Sure they do. Bush's speech last night proved that!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Wow, not a single mention of gratitude to the Americans who went out of their way to help these guys.

Kudos to:

Don North (I hope your documentary gets shown)
Reporter Marvin Zindler at Houston's KTRK-TV
Dr. Joseph Agris - plastic surgeon
Dr. Fred Kestler - Hand surgeon
Methodist Hospital in Houston -Use of facilities
Continental Airlines - flying them here.
Otto Bock Co. of Minneapolis - donated the artificial hands and paid for therapists to help the men become accustomed to them.

A big THANK-YOU to them and anyone else who was involved but not mentioned.

CkG

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: conjur
Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

Wow. Diversion X 3. Don't you just HATE any good news coming from Iraq?

 

[Passions]

Another great heartwarming story of liberation. Bravo!!! :beer:

This is the what the War in Iraq is all about.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Two wrongs don't make a right...

Nor does 1 in retaliation for thousands. The ends do not justify the means.

Aww.. isn't that just wonderful.. If only we could govern with cliches.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur
Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

Wow. Diversion X 3. Don't you just HATE any good news coming from Iraq?

How is that diversion?

Remember the first line in the OP?

"Only thing I wonder," said Qasim Kadim, "is why the Americans didn't come in 1993. They could have walked in and taken Baghdad with 100 men. We've been waiting all these years."

I'm asking the same question.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Two wrongs don't make a right...

Nor does 1 in retaliation for thousands. The ends do not justify the means.

Aww.. isn't that just wonderful.. If only we could govern with cliches.

But we do:

http://www.bushisms.com/index1a.html

Nov. 2, 2000, SEATTLE --
"If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything!"


"Our priorities is our faith."
?Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000


"The American people wants a president that
appeals to the angels..."
Bush in his speech during the GOP convention.
Aug/2000


And, who can forget:

"If you're not with us, you're against us."

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Perknose
Got any stories out of North Korea for us.

You know, 'cause you care so very much.

im wondering how theyre doing with that train wreck froma couple weeks ago. and im also wondering what possessed S Korea to send aid...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Passions
Another great heartwarming story of liberation. Bravo!!! :beer:

This is the what the War in Iraq is all about.

What was it about on 3/19/03?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur
Why didn't the Americans support the rebellions of the Kurds and the Shiites right after the 1991 Gulf War?

Why did the Americans stand idly by while thousands and thousands were slaughtered by the remaining portions of the Republican Guard?

Why did Rumsfeld approve of an interrogation plan that violated the Geneva Convention and resulted in the torture of Iraqi prisoners, 70-90% of whom were wrongly arrested?

Wow. Diversion X 3. Don't you just HATE any good news coming from Iraq?

How is that diversion?

Remember the first line in the OP?

"Only thing I wonder," said Qasim Kadim, "is why the Americans didn't come in 1993. They could have walked in and taken Baghdad with 100 men. We've been waiting all these years."

I'm asking the same question.

Here, I'll answer for HOP... "Oh yeah. Sorry."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Wow, not a single mention of gratitude to the Americans who went out of their way to help these guys.

Kudos to:

Don North (I hope your documentary gets shown)
Reporter Marvin Zindler at Houston's KTRK-TV
Dr. Joseph Agris - plastic surgeon
Dr. Fred Kestler - Hand surgeon
Methodist Hospital in Houston -Use of facilities
Continental Airlines - flying them here.
Otto Bock Co. of Minneapolis - donated the artificial hands and paid for therapists to help the men become accustomed to them.

A big THANK-YOU to them and anyone else who was involved but not mentioned.

CkG

Can we all have a group hug now? :heart:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Passions
Another great heartwarming story of liberation. Bravo!!! :beer:

This is the what the War in Iraq is all about.

What was it about on 3/19/03?

It was all about WMDs and the threats those posed and that Saddam had not disarmed.

Bush's Address to the Nation on March 17, 2003:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030317-7.html

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Perknose
Got any stories out of North Korea for us.

You know, 'cause you care so very much.

im wondering how theyre doing with that train wreck froma couple weeks ago. and im also wondering what possessed S Korea to send aid...

I can think of several good reasons.

1. The North can go nuclear.

2. Seoul is much too close to the 39th parallel to avoid wholesale destruction in the event of an conventional conflict.

3. The South does want the North to suddenly collapse. They would be left to clean up the lion's share of the mess, and it would kill their economy. Integrating millions of impoverished and brainwashed notherners into their society would be a nightmare. There would be fanatic dead enders to deal with for years.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Passions
Another great heartwarming story of liberation. Bravo!!! :beer:

This is the what the War in Iraq is all about.

What was it about on 3/19/03?

Wars evolve. Get over it. WMDs are in Syria now. The war's mission has changed to one of liberation. I equate it almost to the US Civil War. Lincoln changed the tone of war to one of empancipation of the slaves. Slavery was never an issue originally. But wars change. Iraqi freedom is the most focus now, just like the slaves during Civil war.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Passions
Another great heartwarming story of liberation. Bravo!!! :beer:

This is the what the War in Iraq is all about.

What was it about on 3/19/03?

Wars evolve. Get over it. WMDs are in Syria now. The war's mission has changed to one of liberation. I equate it almost to the US Civil War. Lincoln changed the tone of war to one of empancipation of the slaves. Slavery was never an issue originally. But wars change. Iraqi freedom is the most focus now, just like the slaves during Civil war.

Wars evolve? In 12 mos.? And when the invasion was complete in about 6 weeks????

Seriously, Passions. Either drop the fvcking act or just stfu. Your act is OLD and tired.