New Hampshire politicians want to make satelite/aerial views on map a crime.

[Engineer]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ke-satellite-view-maps-criminal-offense.shtml

This is insane. Some politicians in New Hampshire have put forth a bill that would make it illegal to do aerial photography of any "residential dwelling." The key text of HB-619-FN is as follows:

A person is guilty of a class A misdemeanor if such person knowingly creates or assists in creating an image of the exterior of any residential dwelling in this state where such image is created by or with the assistance of a satellite, drone, or any device that is not supported by the ground. This prohibition shall not apply where the image does not reveal forms identifiable as human beings or man-made objects.

If you're thinking that this would make it a misdemeanor (which is still a crime...) for people to work on things like Mapquest, Google Maps and Bing Maps -- all of which have "aerial" views (often called "satellite view," though some are assisted by airplanes as well) -- to even exist, well, then, you have a point. Also, I don't know about you, but I've taken plenty of photographs out the window of an airplane, which have certainly included images of residential dwellings which revealed "forms identifiable as... man-made objects."

This seems like an extremist view of what "privacy" should be about, ignoring the fact that an aerial shot of your house is simply not a privacy issue. I am reminded, not surprisingly, of the story which resulted in the coining of "The Streisand Effect," in which Barbara Streisand sued a photographer for taking an aerial photograph of her house, as part of a project to photograph the entire California coastline from a helicopter (to study the impact of erosion). It was crazy to think of that as a privacy violation, and the court clearly agreed, siding with the photographer over Streisand.

WTF is wrong with these people? I just don't even know what to say in my commentary of this....just leaves me shaking my head.

 

[Doppel]

Bye bye google maps. And those entry level RC planes that kids can get off amazon? CRIMINAL.

 

[waggy]

lol wtf


lol i think the idea was to limit drone use and they wrote it far to broad

 

[nextJin]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ke-satellite-view-maps-criminal-offense.shtml




WTF is wrong with these people? I just don't even know what to say in my commentary of this....just leaves me shaking my head.

Absurd but at least it's legislation on the opposite side of the spectrum and a reason I want to move there when I retire from the service.

 

[monovillage]

Some idiots take what is a minor irritant to some people and try to pass a law against it. They need to be asked if they have a current permit to breathe and if they do it needs to be rescinded.

 

[Engineer]

Raise you hands if you ever used Google maps aerial view (or street view) to make sure you knew where you were going before you went?

<---- raises hand!!!

 

[Doppel]

Raise you hands if you ever used Google maps aerial view (or street view) to make sure you knew where you were going before you went?

<---- raises hand!!!

Where I'm going or pics of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex
:hmm:

 

[Nintendesert]

Live Free or Die.


Just because Google, the biggest breacher of personal security and warrantless shill of the government, has conditioned you to accept that your house can be spied on doesn't mean it's ok for them to do it.

 

[Engineer]

Live Free or Die.


Just because Google, the biggest breacher of personal security and warrantless shill of the government, has conditioned you to accept that your house can be spied on doesn't mean it's ok for them to do it.

So you think that an aerial shot of your home is you being spied upon? WTF man?!?!

The real spying is not by Google and the mapmakers, etc. It's by the various governments around the world (and from a satellite point of view, it is with REAL satellites).

I would say that "surely you don't believe what you just wrote" but then again, I'm sure that you do.

 

[Nintendesert]

So you think that an aerial shot of your home is you being spied upon? WTF man?!?!

The real spying is not by Google and the mapmakers, etc. It's by the various governments around the world (and from a satellite point of view, it is with REAL satellites).

I would say that "surely you don't believe what you just wrote" but then again, I'm sure that you do.

I might not, but I might not also agree with Germany's views on privacy nor New Hampshire's. They elect their officials and they make their own government and policy. We should respect that.

Besides, Google freely gives up your confidential information without so much as a warrant. Google does do the spying, they then just turn around and freely give it to whichever government agency asks for it. Let's not fool ourselves on what Google is here.

New Hampshire is attempting to stop the gross intrusion of the government in their lives and if one of the government's agents get caught up in it. Oh well!

 

[Engineer]

I might not, but I might not also agree with Germany's views on privacy nor New Hampshire's. They elect their officials and they make their own government and policy. We should respect that.

Besides, Google freely gives up your confidential information without so much as a warrant. Google does do the spying, they then just turn around and freely give it to whichever government agency asks for it. Let's not fool ourselves on what Google is here.

New Hampshire is attempting to stop the gross intrusion of the government in their lives and if one of the government's agents get caught up in it. Oh well!

I'm not going to argue whether Google is or isn't "spying" in general, but do you honestly believe that aerial shots of your home is "spying"? It's a view above your home, nothing more. Would you care to explain how this is spying? If it were 24 hours per day, sure but we are talking about an image that is updated a few times of year (at most).

 

[mpo]

Are they going to arrest themselves? They produce the state's budget. The state DOT spent money to take 6" resolution, leaf-off, color, aerial photography across the whole state in 2010. http://www.nh.gov/dot/org/projectdevelopment/planning/aerial/index.htm

The bill states, "A person is guilty of a class A misdemeanor if such person knowingly creates or assists in creating an image of the exterior of any residential dwelling in this state where such image is created by or with the assistance of a satellite, drone, or any device that is not supported by the ground."

They knowingly assisted in the creation of the photographs by budgeting state resources. The photographs that were taken in 2010 were then likely sold to Google, Bing, or other providers/aggregators.

Also, does this apply to other portions of the spectrum. Will IR, radar, LiDAR, and other types of imaging become illegal in the state?

 

[Doppel]

Nintendesert This law appears to make it illegal for me to fly an RC plane over my neighborhood and take pics of houses from 400 feet up just to have a nice shot of my neighborhood. It's functionally no different (except it's from the air) as me taking a pic of my house and getting a bunch of neighbors houses in, too.

Gross, obvious violations of privacy, like me hovering a quad copter over your house for 8 hours/day while sending back a video feed are obviously not in the best interest of the public and should be criminalized in some other manner.

 

[Darwin333]

Live Free or Die.


Just because Google, the biggest breacher of personal security and warrantless shill of the government, has conditioned you to accept that your house can be spied on doesn't mean it's ok for them to do it.

Anyone that knows me or even a bit of my posting history knows that I pretty much ALWAYS lean towards liberty. With that said, I don't see how a 5 year old aerial picture of my house is "spying" on me. If it was updated in real time or even weekly that would be an entirely different issue. As it is, people can see the same view of my house online as they can by doing other things they are free to do such as fly over my house.

I DO think that some sort of laws need to be passed to limit the abuse of drones by both the .gov and civilians but this bill is absurd.

 

[Smoblikat]

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ke-satellite-view-maps-criminal-offense.shtml




WTF is wrong with these people? I just don't even know what to say in my commentary of this....just leaves me shaking my head.

I support this to an extent, I dont need big brother flying drones over my house to see what im doing.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

So new Hampshire is going to start looking like North Korea from google maps?

 

[Doppel]

I support this to an extent, I dont need big brother flying drones over my house to see what im doing.

I don't either. It's like Darwin says, the occasional picture of the outside of a house is just not spying, it's not and never has been. If it became a regular thing it would be. I don't think anybody has defined what crosses the line from occasional to full on surveillance, but certainly it's not the existence of a single picture.

 

[Thump553]

New Hampshire has a really bizarre state government. Despite the fact that the state is very small and fairly low population, it has the largest legislature in the country (424 members, 24 in the Senate and 400 in the lower body).

Before getting your panties all in a knot about PROPOSED bills (which most likely will die before ever coming up for a vote) remember that in a legislature that big in a state that small, there has to be an inordinate number of buffoons and idiots elected.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Any device not supported by the ground.

What method of taking images does NOT require ground support.

I am unaware that we have the technology to put anything off the ground prior to its creation, keep it there forever with any interaction with something on the ground to control or support it.

Is there the capability to manufacture in space
Control such a device from above the ground.

Rip Van Winkle would be proud

 

[Smoblikat]

New Hampshire has a really bizarre state government. Despite the fact that the state is very small and fairly low population, it has the largest legislature in the country (424 members, 24 in the Senate and 400 in the lower body).

Before getting your panties all in a knot about PROPOSED bills (which most likely will die before ever coming up for a vote) remember that in a legislature that big in a state that small, there has to be an inordinate number of buffoons and idiots elected.

In NH our motto is live free or die, yet our drinking age is still 21 and you go to jail for a year for .000001g of weed.

 

[IronWing]

So I'm still good with taking pictures of my neighbors from the ladder, right?

 

[EagleKeeper]

So I'm still good with taking pictures of my neighbors from the ladder, right?

As long as ladder is on the ground.
Do not under any circumstances, take a picture while you are falling from the ladder. At that point your are not supported from the ground.

 

[nehalem256]

As long as ladder is on the ground.
Do not under any circumstances, take a picture while you are falling from the ladder. At that point your are not supported from the ground.

What about a balloon or helicopter that is tethered to the ground? :hmm:

 

[EagleKeeper]

No documenting parachute jumps or hanggliding. Parasailing is ok

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm not going to argue whether Google is or isn't "spying" in general, but do you honestly believe that aerial shots of your home is "spying"? It's a view above your home, nothing more. Would you care to explain how this is spying? If it were 24 hours per day, sure but we are talking about an image that is updated a few times of year (at most).

The government has used aerial photos to locate marijuana grows. They can also be used to locate say other things, how about building projects that didn't pay the city or county the correct licensing fees or permits. Those people that do such things may very well be in the wrong, but using satellite imagery to circumvent proper warrants isn't something to champion.