New generation of Osamas emerging

dahunan

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New generation of Osamas emerging
Young and violent, new leaders see themselves as first members of different Islamic vanguard, and many are drawn to cauldron of unrest in Iraq

ISLAMABAD - They are young, violent and energised by a deep hatred for the United States, its Western allies and Muslim governments seen as kowtowing to Washington.


Leaders include Abu Musam Al-Zarqawi (above) and Fazul Abdullah Muhamad (below)
From the dusty Sahara to the jungles of Indonesia and in the cauldron of unrest that is US-occupied Iraq, a new generation of Osama bin Ladens is emerging to take the place of elders who have been killed, captured or forced underground. The new class has already written a new history of terror in blood - from Istanbul to Madrid to Yanbu, Saudi Arabia.

'These are the men that are the new 21st-century terrorists,' said Mr Evan Kohlmann, a US-based terror expert.

At the fore of this group is 38-year-old Abu Musab Zarqawi, a former Osama commander who has links to terror groups from North Africa to the Caucasus.

The US authorities are offering a US$10 million (S$17 million) reward for his capture, setting him apart from the other new guard.


'Zarqawi is a jihadi fixer, with access both to funds from Gulf Arab backers and a loose network of jihadi groups around the globe,' said Mr Richard Evans, the editor at Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre in London.

Zarqawi is by no means alone among the new faces taking up senior positions in the world's most feared terror groups.

In Spain, 36-year-old Moroccan Amer Azizi is believed to have supervised the bombings in Madrid and is thought to be the leader of the Al-Qaeda-affiliated Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group.

In Indonesia, Zulkarnaen, a former biology student, stepped up last year as operations chief for the Al-Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiah (JI), replacing Hambali after his August arrest.

Another JI figure is 33-year-old Dulmatin, a Malaysian electronics expert nicknamed 'Genius'.

In the Philippines, Khadaffy Janjalani is trying to bring the main faction of the Al-Qaeda-linked extremist Abu Sayyaf group back to its religious moorings.

Janjalani is reviving the group under its alternative name, Al Harakatul Al-Islamiyah - the Islamic Movement - with recruits trained in guerilla warfare and urban bombings, say ex-hostages and security officials.

Hundreds of foreign fighters are believed to have flocked to Iraq. The presence of more than 130,000 US soldiers there means extremist fighters cannot settle in for extensive training, but there are nonetheless troubling signs that militants may be using the country as a terrorist testing ground.

Iraq is by far the most troubling spot on the globe, but many analysts and intelligence officials point to Africa as another area of concern. Across that continent, terrorists have taken advantage of weak governments and vast spaces to recruit young, poor and disillusioned men as terrorists.

Many suspected terrorist groups in Algeria and Morocco have taken advantage of Europe's geographic proximity and political openness to plan, hide and recruit.

Egyptian journalist Mohammed Salah, who has focused on Al-Qaeda and extremist groups, said men like Zarqawi and other terror 'stars' are probably not behind every attack they are blamed for.

'It is important to note that it could be in Al-Qaeda's interest to propagate certain names while others work in the shadows,' he said.

Increased risk means the life expectancy of today's generation of terrorists will probably be short.

'But these guys don't care,' said Mr Evans, of Jane's. 'They consider themselves to be the first members of the new Islamic vanguard. There will be plenty more Zarqawis bubbling up to the surface.' -- AP



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Abu Musam Al-Zarqawi

Former commander for Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, the 38-year-old Jordanian has links to terrorist groups from North Africa to the Caucasus. Allegedly maintains ties to Al-Qaeda and believed to be leading resistance to Iraq's occupation.

The CIA says Zarqawi was the black-clad militant who decapitated American Nicholas Berg. Also believed to have had hand in March 11 bombings in Madrid, failed chemical attack in Jordan and numerous attacks in Iraq.


Zulkarnaen

Indonesian native, one of few militants from South-east Asia to have trained in Afghanistan. Stepped in late last year as operations chief of Al-Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiah, replacing Hambali after his August arrest. Believed to be about 40, real name is Aris Sumarsono.

Dulmatin

Another top new Jemaah Islamiah figure, 33-year-old Malaysian is electronics expert nicknamed 'Genius'. Believed to have designed bomb used in 2002 attack that killed more than 200 people in Bali.


Amer Azizi

Leader of Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group, 36-year-old Moroccan believed to have supervised March 11 bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people. Recently indicted in Spain for allegedly helping plan Sept 11 attacks on the United States.


Abdelkrim Mejjati and Saad Houssaini

Both appear to be leading Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group operatives. Wanted for 2003 attacks in Casablanca and suspects in this year's Madrid bombings.

Abdulaziz Issa Abdul-Mohsin Al-Moqrin

Saudi dropout, 30, took command of Al-Qaeda's cell in Saudi Arabia when predecessor was killed in May 2003 shootout. Believed to have been involved in 2003 attacks in Riyadh that killed 51 people.

Fazul Abdullah Mohammed

Comorian, 30, alleged leader of East Africa's Al-Qaeda cell. Charged with planning 1998 attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Kenyan police say he planned 2002 bombing of hotel and attempt to shoot down Israeli airliner. US government has US$25 million (S$42 million) bounty for his capture. Is on list of seven people just released by Justice Department in midst of new terror scare.


Khadaffy Janjalani

Apparently trying to bring main faction of Philippines' Al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf group back to religious moorings. Reviving an Islamic separatist group with recruits trained in guerilla warfare. -- AP
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Kadarin

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There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.

We should start with Iraq.. right?

Most of those "new osamas" are Iraqis.. right?
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.

We should start with Iraq.. right?

Most of those "new osamas" are Iraqis.. right?

I personally think invading Iraq was a very ill-considered move. It shows either (1) deliberate deception on the part of the current administration, or (2) complete incompetence. Or some combination of both.
 

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33

I personally think invading Iraq was a very ill-considered move. It shows either (1) deliberate deception on the part of the current administration, or (2) complete incompetence. Or some combination of both.
So who do you think you will vote for for President?
 

MidasKnight

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.

Very true .. and sadly so.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.

We should start with Iraq.. right?

Most of those "new osamas" are Iraqis.. right?

I personally think invading Iraq was a very ill-considered move. It shows either (1) deliberate deception on the part of the current administration, or (2) complete incompetence. Or some combination of both.

Thank you

It just (honestly) breaks my heart when I think of the way we wasted LIVES and Resources in Iraq.. the people of Iraq were not our enemies -- not as much as those in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and ...


Imagine if we had sent 150,000 - 170,000 troops to Osamastan (Afghanistan or Pakistan) or sent them DIRECTLY into the hellhole called Saudi Arabia... then would have found the REAL terrorists who hate America.

Individual Iraqis involvement in al-qaeda and International Muslim Terror Networks PALES in comparison to that of Individual Saudis.

Attacking Iraq was so counterproductive in the war against terrorism that it is (almost) SUSPICIOUS.
 

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
There will always be "osamas", or people who were "educated" in Pakistan's madrassas with a deep and violent hatred of the West. These are the people who would love to take over the world and rule it under Sharia, Islamic Law.

They must be exterminated, because there is no reasoning with them, no compromise.

We should start with Iraq.. right?

Most of those "new osamas" are Iraqis.. right?

I personally think invading Iraq was a very ill-considered move. It shows either (1) deliberate deception on the part of the current administration, or (2) complete incompetence. Or some combination of both.

Exactly my thought...
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Astaroth33

I personally think invading Iraq was a very ill-considered move. It shows either (1) deliberate deception on the part of the current administration, or (2) complete incompetence. Or some combination of both.
So who do you think you will vote for for President?

At this point and unless something changes, I plan to vote for Kerry. Not because I particularly like him, but because I strongly dislike the Christian religious fundamentalism Bush/Ashcroft stand for, and I believe Bush/Cheney/others are using the presidency for their own purposes, which may be at odds with America's best interests.

What I want to see: A very strong stand against Islamist terrorism, including the extermination of as much of Al-Qaida as possible. I want to see real committment to this. I also want to see some intelligence and planning as to what to do with Iraq in the future (at this point, I do not know what the solution for the future is now that we're there, but I at least want to see some real thought in the administration regarding it). I want to see the Christian agenda in the US stopped, including attempts to amend the Constitution to prohibit gay marriage (a Constitutional Amendment to restrict rights to a group is a BAD idea). I want to see the government stop pursuing "faith-based initiatives".
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Format C:
Many are ready to die in defense of freedom. Are you?

yes.

edit: and why is the fact that a new generation of osamas surprising? look at how a fanatical sect of a religion spreads. eventually itll die, but it has to run its course first.
 
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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Format C:
Many are ready to die in defense of freedom. Are you?

yes.

edit: and why is the fact that a new generation of osamas surprising? look at how a fanatical sect of a religion spreads. eventually itll die, but it has to run its course first.
I think we can take the collateral damage in protection of the most important right of humans... to do what they will in their own minds.

Along as they don't get hold of world-ending devices... if they do then the only thing that needs to be in their heads is a bullet.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Format C:
Many are ready to die in defense of freedom. Are you?

yes.

edit: and why is the fact that a new generation of osamas surprising? look at how a fanatical sect of a religion spreads. eventually itll die, but it has to run its course first.
I think we can take the collateral damage in protection of the most important right of humans... to do what they will in their own minds.

Along as they don't get hold of world-ending devices... if they do then the only thing that needs to be in their heads is a bullet.


Perhaps we could apply this rule to all religious fanatics who have control over WMDs? Including a certain fanatical GWB?

GWB and Osama should be forced to have sex with each other and forced to worship each other's gods as punishment for their crimes against humanity. Just kidding. They should both be shot / incarcerated.