Now AMD is coming out with a 2200Mghrtz 1024L2cache chip for the 939 and calling it a 3600+. For all us overclockers that means we have FX-53 power for hundreds less. I am sure they won't price the 3600+ for more than the 500 dollar 3700+.
New "FX-51" for AMD 939 Overclclocker rejoice
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I'd imagine that it won't have the open multiplier like the FX, but will be open downwards only like the other A64s. Still, it's really cool. Overclockers.com has again, gotten the entire drift wrong, and is ranting and raving about how stuuuuuupid this is, and on and on......
Jeremy
With the FSB (HTT I know I know) reaching so high on the Msi Nforce 3 939 board I don't think unlocked multipliers matter as much anymore. My watercooling is going to give this new chip some fun. In fact overclockers will lower the multiplier and raise the fsb to get maximum memory speed.
I agree, overclockers.com sounds like a five year throwing a tantrum because they didn't get ice cream. I don't see what the confusion is. The average end buyer doesn't care about 512L2 cache or 1024L2 cache. They will look at 3500+ or 3600+ etc. Most FX buyers are not John Q at Best Buy anyway.
I agree, overclockers.com sounds like a five year throwing a tantrum because they didn't get ice cream. I don't see what the confusion is. The average end buyer doesn't care about 512L2 cache or 1024L2 cache. They will look at 3500+ or 3600+ etc. Most FX buyers are not John Q at Best Buy anyway.
2.2ghz is a 3600? they really need to fix their rating systems as a 3200+ newcastle is 2.2ghz i like the FX more because it doesnt have dumb ratings
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Well, they're probably thinking in this manner:
The 3400+ for s754 runs at 2.2ghz with 1mb cache.
This new 3600+ chip with the same specs (2.2ghz clock speed and 1mb L2 cache) should, to AMD, be slightly faster than the 3400+ due to being on s939 with the ability to run in dual channel. They probably feel that dual channel is worth an extra 200 points in the PR.
The 3400+ for s754 runs at 2.2ghz with 1mb cache.
This new 3600+ chip with the same specs (2.2ghz clock speed and 1mb L2 cache) should, to AMD, be slightly faster than the 3400+ due to being on s939 with the ability to run in dual channel. They probably feel that dual channel is worth an extra 200 points in the PR.
Someone help me out. Unless there is other information besides the Xbit Labs/overclocker.com articles, this is just speculation. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy to see AMD come out with an Athlon 64 3600+ ala FX-51, but ECS already updated their site to remove the 3600+ reference, and I haven't seen anything else that says this is going to happen.
Does anyone else think that Ed specifically stays away from criticisng Intel lately (who have had plenty miscues to be hacked on recently), yet jumps on AMD repeatedly for the smallest thing? Gotta love him...good thing he isn't biased!
Has anyone noticed that there is one major thing wrong with the theory presented in this story? What the person (Ed) states is impossible!!! The Athlon XP 64 3600+ can not simply be remarked Athlon 64 FX 51's. The FX 51 was a socket 940 chip that required use of registered memory in order to operate. Socket 939 chips can use unbuffered memory. Because the memory controller for all Athlon 64's is integrated on chip AMD had to do some signifigant redesigning on the chip core in order to make this work. While it may be true that the 3600+ runs at the same speed and has the same amount of cache as the FX51 it is certainly not just a rebranded FX 51.
Has anyone noticed that there is one major thing wrong with the theory presented in this story? What the person (Ed) states is impossible!!! The Athlon XP 64 3600+ can not simply be remarked Athlon 64 FX 51's. The FX 51 was a socket 940 chip that required use of registered memory in order to operate. Socket 939 chips can use unbuffered memory. Because the memory controller for all Athlon 64's is integrated on chip AMD had to do some signifigant redesigning on the chip core in order to make this work. While it may be true that the 3600+ runs at the same speed and has the same amount of cache as the FX51 it is certainly not just a rebranded FX 51.
hmm clarkey if you're talking about me on that last post im a AMD fan buddy boy my last 4 systems have been amds
it is possible for AMD to move FX-51 down to 3600
look at what they did for AXP and A64 2800, they will try to use the lowest ratings to value line
so therefore, they might try to move the extreme to mainstream
look at what they did for AXP and A64 2800, they will try to use the lowest ratings to value line
so therefore, they might try to move the extreme to mainstream
That may be, but then why were people calling the A64 3400+ an "FX-51 killer" when it was released for S754? AMD is basically saying that the FX-51 is just as fast as a 3600+ A64 which is complete unadulterated BS. It should be a 3400+ part if anything.
Uh, why would a 2200Mghrtz processor with 1024L2cache be rated lower than a 2200Mhgrtz processor with 512L2cache on the same platform. Makes no sense. We still don't know if this will happen positively but if it does that rating makes sense (at least in the great AMD scheme of things)
If that's the case then the model rating system on S939 is messed up. An FX-51 is the same speed as a S754 A64 3400+.
Yeah but they're stating that the dual channel memory gives them the equivalent of a 200 point performance rating jump. That is why the 2200 with 512K L2 cache 939 is rated higher (3500+) than the 2200 with 1024L2cache (754) 3400+. The L2 cache decrease = -100points and the dual channel increase = +200 point increase so logically it makes sense for the 2200 processor at 1024L2 cache to gain 100 points on the 512L2 cache 2200 on the 939.
is the new 3600+ made using 0.9 micron process ?
If so there are core tweaks, as well as the duel channel memory,thew few tweaks 939 boards bring and the 1MB cahce which should stand up with the name "3600".
If so there are core tweaks, as well as the duel channel memory,thew few tweaks 939 boards bring and the 1MB cahce which should stand up with the name "3600".
No one knows that there even is a new 3600+. So far, it is a lot of talk from what may have been a typo by a lackey at ECS, updating their website. The truth remains to be seen. 
I would love to see benchmarks of this new "FX-51" on S939 compared to a S754 3400+. I would bet dollars to donuts that they would come out within 1% of one another.
I'll wait for benchmarks and prices before I decide, but from the sounds of it the chip's rating is out of whack by 200 points.
no no im all up for it, but ppl seem to be putting it down, im sure AMD has a trick up thier sleeve.
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