New formula O/C competition.

Nemesis 1

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Ya can read about it at XS news section .

I to have been a little busy. I submit that this forum put on an O/C competion . With finals one year from today. Must be water or Aircooled. Finalist must have run off under exact same conditions. My daughter well put up $2000 in prize money . and others are going to contribute also . I would like to set this up for Jan. 1 start time . I would like to also see if AT would judge finals. I am hoping to raise $5000 in prize Money By Jan 1 .

Kick it around . I will watch thread.

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VirtualLarry

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Lame. It will come down to whom has the biggest pockets, to purchase the largest lot of chips, in order to bin them.
 

DrMrLordX

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With the right rules it could be great, but if people are sourcing their own gear then it will not work out well.

Also, water cooling and air cooling should be in separate classes, at the very least.
 

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If it is done with a "New formula" then maybe it would work. As to even the playing Field, but even then for five G'S hell yeah I'll cheat.

:thumbsup:
 

DrMrLordX

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As with any competition, cheating will be a fact of life. Better to accept that than to be shocked when it happens and someone gets caught.

But what would need to happen is that the people running the competition will have to source the gear, either by providing random commercial samples for competitors or by acting as a go-between so that buyers can pick their own vendors. Also, they will have to provide their own common benchmark suite and implement measures to prevent people from messing with results.

Doing all this over the internet, while appealing, would add to the potential for cheating considerably.
 

Nemesis 1

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OK . We have talked about this befor . My daughter and self. After reading the XS competition thing . I thought how utterly unfair. Factory sponsered O/C ing . Who can compete.

We just got done talking to mayor and our township is going to sponscer the 1st annual 24/7 o/c competion. I left meeting but daughters still their . We added 1 more coorporate sponsor . My wifes company.

I am done with discussion . till we make formal announcement .

Trust me the winner will not be a cheater. Not a chance in hell.

. There be 5 catorgories in 2 classes Air /water. WATER ONLY!! NO chillers.

Catagories 1 Total performance Does not mean highest O/C means best performance.

2 Water block or air block best temps.

3 Best PC design fully enclosed

4. Best looking.

5 Noise


6 Grand champion Air/ Water. Total points for the above with Performance being best points un down as listed.

To do this and make sure ALL have chance ,. Online results can be submitted . With the top 200 entries having to battle it out in public under same conditions . ALL cpus must be . Retail . NO secret hand pick BS. What you see is what you buy . NO smoke and mirrors. This is real overclocking not 5 min suicide runs . LOL.

This is all that I will say . Other than We want the grand champion in each class to recieve $10,000 water and $5000 Air with $1,000 going to each catagoery winner.

. As of this morning we have $4000 pledged .

Why would my daughter sponsor something like this.

Its simple . She believes her PC'c will win both catorgories. I agree . Performance might be close . But She is Eyeballing Grand champion . Nice way to introduce new type of water cooling system don't ya think . By beating all others. $2000 is cheap . But we also thought something like this wouldn't work . Until I relized . The winners don't get nothing but e-penis. $10,000/$5,000 prize money is something . With you knowing this. Do I have Catagories correct?

Orginally we didn't think we could offer such a prize . But as it is right now . The prize money will be more than what I have stated . .

Remember each player has a choice of what hardware he chooses to bye . So it will be fair . THE winner will not be a Cheat I FACT. Winners machines get tore down , NO lapping of the die.

 

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
OK . We have talked about this befor . My daughter and self. After reading the XS competition thing . I thought how utterly unfair. Factory sponsered O/C ing . Who can compete.

We just got done talking to mayor and our township is going to sponscer the 1st annual 24/7 o/c competion. I left meeting but daughters still their . We added 1 more coorporate sponsor . My wifes company.

I am done with discussion . till we make formal announcement .

Trust me the winner will not be a cheater. Not a chance in hell.

. There be 5 catorgories in 2 classes Air /water. WATER ONLY!! NO chillers.

Catagories 1 Total performance Does not mean highest O/C means best performance.

2 Water block or air block best temps.

3 Best PC design fully enclosed

4. Best looking.

5 Noise


6 Grand champion Air/ Water. Total points for the above with Performance being best points un down as listed.

To do this and make sure ALL have chance ,. Online results can be submitted . With the top 200 entries having to battle it out in public under same conditions . ALL cpus must be . Retail . NO secret hand pick BS. What you see is what you buy . NO smoke and mirrors. This is real overclocking not 5 min suicide runs . LOL.

This is all that I will say . Other than We want the grand champion in each class to recieve $10,000 water and $5000 Air with $1,000 going to each catagoery winner.

. As of this morning we have $4000 pledged .

Why would my daughter sponsor something like this.

Its simple . She believes her PC'c will win both catorgories. I agree .
Performance might be close . But She is Eyeballing Grand champion . Nice way to introduce new type of water cooling system don't ya think . By beating all others. $2000 is cheap . But we also thought something like this wouldn't work . Until I relized . The winners don't get nothing but e-penis. $10,000/$5,000 prize money is something . With you knowing this. Do I have Catagories correct?

Orginally we didn't think we could offer such a prize . But as it is right now . The prize money will be more than what I have stated . .

Remember each player has a choice of what hardware he chooses to bye . So it will be fair . THE winner will not be a Cheat I FACT. Winners machines get tore down , NO lapping of the die.


:confused:

 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Why would my daughter sponsor something like this.

Its simple . She believes her PC'c will win both catorgories. I agree . Performance might be close . But She is Eyeballing Grand champion . Nice way to introduce new type of water cooling system don't ya think . By beating all others.
So this is all a PR stunt, to introduce some PC that you are building?

No thanks.

PS. Don't you think it's unfair that the family of the sponsor of the contest can compete?

 

Nemesis 1

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Well we will definatitly use event to our advantage . As soon as prize money is bonded .

But its no differant for us than anyothers . Show what ya got. Its still going to be the first W.P.C.C. Event . How ts started or why isn't important.

Were just betting we have the Best All round PC gamer on earth. Were willing to put ours up against all others . Looks/Design/ Silence/ Performance .

Judges of event will be approved by all most all. We well get people we all can trust.

As for your not wanting to par take . Who cares. We just need to put up bonded prize money for successful event.

 

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Sounds like a rigged PR stunt to me. I think this leans towards self promotion and advertisement. Isnt that frowned upon here? Have you paid your advertisement fee?
 
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It still all comes down to luck though. Did you get a CPU from the center of the wafer? North/South/East/Westbridge from center of the wafer?

Too much luck in my opinion, not enough skill. Need some way to bring intellect into it besides just buying the best and hoping it works.
 

Nemesis 1

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Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Sounds like a rigged PR stunt to me. I think this leans towards self promotion and advertisement. Isnt that frowned upon here? Have you paid your advertisement fee?

Thank you! After reading here . My wife just don't get some people .

I am truely sorry I mentioned this . Because . I am differant than almost all . I react differently.

So this is now dead subject . I will post the winners names after the 2010 event . But we well not use the WEB to let people know about it . So thanks to thoughtless people the first event . Will not be rigged but it will be an easy win for the grandchampion . As the competion will not be aware. But the winner recieving check will be published every where on web. Than watch people cry about not knowing. I will simply point to post like this one and say . Its the same everywhere on net forums always people trying to make things ugly . I am differant some would say strange. This is how a would teach a child . So I guess tough love has its uses.

Everone agrees anyway to limit size of first event . As we need to figure how many tables and electriacal outlets we require. There is much prep. for such event . cost of putting on event . So it is good that you spoke crooked words. As I can see along with others we need to know lagistics for such event. How many power lines required . 60 100 200. So ya first event needs to be limited. So First event be like a 3 4 state event.

But there is the $10,000. Prize.

As for its all luck . Thats BS. I don't care ware the waffer comes from center preferrred but a waffer is a waffer . Some may reach higher clocks but thats not performance thats simply clocks or freq. This is a 2010 event . Right now to qualify would require 4.6 ghz with turbo on.So the chips in 2010 . Will be running at 5.5 - 6 ghz under water.

Its like the XS article on same subject . Except factory teems and use liquid gas.

Than ya have retards comparring that event to F1 racing . LOL the funnest thing I ever heard in my life . It was such a RETARDED statement infact it should go into histoty books .


I been in racing sense 9 years old . You know nothing. FI racing is ENDURANCE RACING .

O/C with liquid gas is not endurance . Its short run = To 1/8 mile drag race. TO compare to F1 racing is an insult to every geeks intelligance.

F1 would be equal to water cooled 24/7 setups or chillers. NEVER EVER . Liquid gas. LOL

Ckeck out the replies at XS. None really want to be part of really bad idea . Factory teams . BS. Just what we need world records set bt chips we can't buy. Pure BS and it hurts performance enthusiast . Raises cost to play . Just bad .

We will start small but build event based on fully enclosed PC cases . If factories want to build PC 's built to compete . Thats a step in correct direction .

One thing you guys should never underestimate about me . My abilities to raise cash are outstanding. So the prize amount i have listed is likely way small . But . as of right now we have only $4 grand . but I just started . I guy in a wheelchair asking people for money works rather well.

 

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Originally posted by: waffleironhead
Sounds like a rigged PR stunt to me. I think this leans towards self promotion and advertisement. Isnt that frowned upon here? Have you paid your advertisement fee?

If 'we' manage and control with specific guidelines it no longer is self promotion.

This is a bad, bad thing:

Catagories 1

"" Total performance - Does not mean highest O/C means best performance. ""

This is arbitrary as crap. Specific and rigid standards of testing. List each performance measurement. This has to be bulletproof to keep it objective.
 

Nemesis 1

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Be more specific i am listening. You picked the right one . The other 4 are not issues . This one . Is tough as its most points. I believe total performance would involve the other catagories. In a closed PC Overclocking slightly . With water small differance , But in the air cooled devision Pc design will be hugh.

As far as I can see. Performance would inferr . best all around in many bench marks . Single and multi threaded. This isn't about pure Gaming. But without that you can't win.

Put out Ideas on how performance should be judged. We to are struggling with that to start with .

Look we won't have $100,000 in prize money The first few years . If we did we could create much better setup for many more contenders in differant classes. We must start from TOP and work down .

One of the reasons my daughter went to council on this , Was we didn't want to put event on . Just create the event . They like idea so were doing. Now my daughter is way smarter than I thought . She surprized myself.

She put up $2,000 but said we shouldn't raise any more money from PC industry to start event. Boy you should have seen mouths drop when she suggested this at council meeting. I know I had to have a stupid wonderment on my face. But when she explained it to us . We all got really excited . She is one smart woman . Watch how we make this work . The city now sees this as a money maker. Were going to get our money outside to start with build event . the vendors will have to show at event if it get popular and builds a REPUTATION. I see NO one offerring prize money to race and show PC design. Guess who pays than . The city keeps it FAIR this way
 

DrMrLordX

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A few thoughts:

1). Promoting the competition on this forum while using it to showcase your own cooling design is a bit sketchy. That's the sort of thing for which paid advertisements are intended. It's close to spamming, especially when it's a local competition in which few (if any) of us could compete for obvious reasons.

2). Performance metrics are king in any competition like this. If maximum performance (rather than clockspeed) is the goal, then you need to be up-front about which benchmarks you will use to determine maximum performance. A quick look at any one of Anandtech's CPU or memory reviews (especially memory) should provide some ideas on what could be used for performance.

3). Your categories are, in my opinion, pretty weak. What you need, per class (Air or Water), are the following prizes:

a). Budget Overclock: Set a specific minimum performance point in all benchmarks and then have competitors reach that with their overclock. Lowest overall amount of money paid to reach that minimum performance point wins the prize.

b). Bang Per Buck: Winner achieves the best ratio of performance per dollar. Easy metric to measure provided you can agree on a total performance score based on all benchmarks used.

c). Best overall performance

d). PC Design is more a dog-and-pony show sort of thing that is highly arbitrary. Best temps may be too finicky since sensors can be such a bitch to monitor and keep consistent from one rig to the next. I would skip the temp category just on the KISS rule alone.

In addition to those points, I had a few other random thoughts:

To keep hardware sourcing fair, here's how hardware should be sourced:

Competitor chooses a platform, then cpu/memory/board on that basis. Then the event organizers, working with one or more vendors friendly to cherry-picking (Tankguys?), will provide best-out-of-10-units cpu/memory/motherboard (best-out-of-10-units kit on the RAM, rather than for each DIMM); testing to confirm the quality of each unit provided versus the other 9 units in each lot will be conducted with "known good" complementary components.

Event organizers will specify a small array of PSUs competitors will source through the event coordinators to prevent the budget buyers from using PSUs that may fail during competition or be unlikely to run past the few benchmark runs required to win the competition.

Event organizers will provide benchmark software, possibly through a Java applet or what have you so that they can control the benchmark more thoroughly. Bench will be run on a virgin install of an OS chosen by coordinators.

Alternatively, the event coordinators themselves could provide a custom Linux distro that is little more than a trojan horse that gives them complete control over the system so they can conduct benchmarking remotely without allowing the builder to interfere with it. Other OSes will be usable prior to final benchmarking to test stability and tweak settings. Non-trojaned versions of the distro would be provided to allow competitors to assess stability on the competition OS.

Any system submitted that could not pass pre-ordained stability tests would be immediately disqualified. Stability tests would need to be a suite of at least two programs such as Memtest, Prime95, Linpack, etc.

Competitors themselves will acquire all other hardware on their own time. Obviously this still means an element of luck might be involved since one competitor might get a better HSF than another despite ordering the same product from the same vendor, but variations will be less severe and modifications to improve performance/even out defects will be viable (while they are not when CPUs of different "quality" silicon are involved).

Lapping will be allowed but some sort of scheme will be necessary to ensure the competitor is using the hardware provided. IHS removal will also be allowed, as will DIMM heatspreader removal/replacement and modifications to the cooling systems on provided motherboards (again, with some kind of hardware ID scheme in every case).

Also, if you want gaming performance to be an element, you may want to have a two-heat competition in which the competitor overclocks a system in the first heat and then OCs the video card in the second heat, after which point gaming benchmarks are run. Make it a separate competition (you could provide gaming categories analogous to the non-gaming ones such as budget, bang-per-buck, best performance, so that the first heat could be the competition discussed above and the second heat would just be an attempt to OC a card on the platforms that finished high enough in the first heat, and winners in the second heat might not be the same as the winners in the first. Sorting out how to do budget in the second heat may be difficult since people could go gimpy on the vid card to win the first heat while others who blew part of their budget on a good card might be the only ones competitive in the second heat, but then that might not be a huge problem).
 

Nemesis 1

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My son was talking about this last night with a race promoter. I guess will will have another event. Hand picked O/Cers will get to race each others in 450hp class mods. To race among self . No cost but pit fee. That I would pay to see.
 

Nemesis 1

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
A few thoughts:

1). Promoting the competition on this forum while using it to showcase your own cooling design is a bit sketchy. That's the sort of thing for which paid advertisements are intended. It's close to spamming, especially when it's a local competition in which few (if any) of us could compete for obvious reasons.

2). Performance metrics are king in any competition like this. If maximum performance (rather than clockspeed) is the goal, then you need to be up-front about which benchmarks you will use to determine maximum performance. A quick look at any one of Anandtech's CPU or memory reviews (especially memory) should provide some ideas on what could be used for performance.

3). Your categories are, in my opinion, pretty weak. What you need, per class (Air or Water), are the following prizes:

a). Budget Overclock: Set a specific minimum performance point in all benchmarks and then have competitors reach that with their overclock. Lowest overall amount of money paid to reach that minimum performance point wins the prize.

b). Bang Per Buck: Winner achieves the best ratio of performance per dollar. Easy metric to measure provided you can agree on a total performance score based on all benchmarks used.

c). Best overall performance

d). PC Design is more a dog-and-pony show sort of thing that is highly arbitrary. Best temps may be too finicky since sensors can be such a bitch to monitor and keep consistent from one rig to the next. I would skip the temp category just on the KISS rule alone.

In addition to those points, I had a few other random thoughts:

To keep hardware sourcing fair, here's how hardware should be sourced:

Competitor chooses a platform, then cpu/memory/board on that basis. Then the event organizers, working with one or more vendors friendly to cherry-picking (Tankguys?), will provide best-out-of-10-units cpu/memory/motherboard (best-out-of-10-units kit on the RAM, rather than for each DIMM); testing to confirm the quality of each unit provided versus the other 9 units in each lot will be conducted with "known good" complementary components.

Event organizers will specify a small array of PSUs competitors will source through the event coordinators to prevent the budget buyers from using PSUs that may fail during competition or be unlikely to run past the few benchmark runs required to win the competition.

Event organizers will provide benchmark software, possibly through a Java applet or what have you so that they can control the benchmark more thoroughly. Bench will be run on a virgin install of an OS chosen by coordinators.

Alternatively, the event coordinators themselves could provide a custom Linux distro that is little more than a trojan horse that gives them complete control over the system so they can conduct benchmarking remotely without allowing the builder to interfere with it. Other OSes will be usable prior to final benchmarking to test stability and tweak settings. Non-trojaned versions of the distro would be provided to allow competitors to assess stability on the competition OS.

Any system submitted that could not pass pre-ordained stability tests would be immediately disqualified. Stability tests would need to be a suite of at least two programs such as Memtest, Prime95, Linpack, etc.

Competitors themselves will acquire all other hardware on their own time. Obviously this still means an element of luck might be involved since one competitor might get a better HSF than another despite ordering the same product from the same vendor, but variations will be less severe and modifications to improve performance/even out defects will be viable (while they are not when CPUs of different "quality" silicon are involved).

Lapping will be allowed but some sort of scheme will be necessary to ensure the competitor is using the hardware provided. IHS removal will also be allowed, as will DIMM heatspreader removal/replacement and modifications to the cooling systems on provided motherboards (again, with some kind of hardware ID scheme in every case).

Also, if you want gaming performance to be an element, you may want to have a two-heat competition in which the competitor overclocks a system in the first heat and then OCs the video card in the second heat, after which point gaming benchmarks are run. Make it a separate competition (you could provide gaming categories analogous to the non-gaming ones such as budget, bang-per-buck, best performance, so that the first heat could be the competition discussed above and the second heat would just be an attempt to OC a card on the platforms that finished high enough in the first heat, and winners in the second heat might not be the same as the winners in the first. Sorting out how to do budget in the second heat may be difficult since people could go gimpy on the vid card to win the first heat while others who blew part of their budget on a good card might be the only ones competitive in the second heat, but then that might not be a huge problem).

Sorry no bang for buck winners here . Its all intel. But you can use whatever . This is about choice. We haven't got unlimited $$$ . We have to offer enough to make successful and build. Sure we will have short comings to start with but will build off of that. As for self promoting not true. I was upfront how we came up with idea. But we handed ball over to city.

Were small town this has people here excited . We already picked date. because it fitts with other big events here. This is going to be fun for alot of people. Racing mods for some O/Cers, Canoe races . Fire works . Now they are planning on lan event for gaming with large prize offered. Its a week affair to do this correctly differant days for differant folks. We have one road block in our way . I believe daughter found the ans to that that may payoff hugh for enthusiast every were . SPAM is the word that could change many things. The conditions for the o/c events will be brutal. July heat . Ya its going to be good . After the first event . You will try to be at the 2nd event. As I said the 1st event will be kept low profile . With lots of coverage after the fact.

 

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This thread has to take the award for one of the most absurd i've read here at AT... thats saying a fair bit!

In summary:

- your now hosting an 'OC comp' which will NOT be advertised over the net :S

- your daughter and wife are sponsoring the event

- your daughter is also going to enter the event, with some form of new case / cooling sys that would benefit from some nice PR

- the winning category is totally down to judgement, not specific set perameters...


As much as i enjoy reading your posts Nemesis... this smells incredibly fishy and surely you could only expect others to be suspicious and critical of your plan.
 

Nemesis 1

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No my daughter is sponsoring event and working hard to bring more money into picture . My wifes company is sponsoring not wife.

Yes because of this thread and the one at XS . Were just going to have event pretty localized. Why. Because of replies . We don't want to take a defensive position .

So our only resolve is hold event . Publize after words get testmony from players . We need to build event threw good will and integrity . Defending ideas isn't good place to start.

Build it and they will come field of dreams. Sure will take heat for not making known first event . But I will just show statements like yours to show why we by passed so manyby . Same with XS post , but the F1 idea is retarded. for the elite only. To protect there throwns LOL. We all like the idea of adding these events to the week. Resources are readily available because of other events its a marriage made in hell. Plus we will present grandchampion with World title were environment not controlled heat of july sun.

Its just going to be one hell of alot of fun for those who play . Most of its already done. The paradas the racing and many other events. The logitics for seetting up 60 O/C for 2 hours + Prime runs 4 hours and parts inspection. Allready done. Now its just a matter of getting the right people into those 450hp mods to create hype on net.
 

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Its not like this is a secret place in the world in my area are some well known online enthusiast some not known but still very good. Word will leak out threw these people. Its my job to recruite the people I want to see drive those Mods. I will ask .People like fugger. Kyle see how HardCore he really is . Brent Wilson here many others . Many will decline but the ones who don't will wright about there experience . It will be my job to make sure its a good one.
 

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You seem pretty defensive when questions are asked. then proceed to avoid said questions. If you truly want your event to be viable, it is best to be transparent. I know there is some language barrier happening here, but your avoidance and redirection do nothing to engender faith in your legitimacy.

For instance, anytime someone says 'trust me', it is the absolute time to be suspicious. For what its worth, americans are a suspicious group. It is your duty to alleviate the concerns by being transparent with the rules and criteria to win.

The running for the door after questions are asked only breeds suspicion.
 

Nemesis 1

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As I said . Don't worry about it . Well have event . If its good and great fun for those involved. You will here abouit it . As far as transparancy its not up for discussion . We will set it up the way we want . If there is problems will resolve them . But Look anyone can do same thing / Go out raise the money do the work than listen to monkeys talk. Tell you how it should be . Not happening here . One thing I stand for is fair play . cheating and cheaters are pure acid to me. As you can tell by the way I adderess the royal we as being pure garbage. This is about all the Is out there. NO team here. This is about who has best, who makes run the best, its all about I. Its about the great fun all the Is can have at event . Than there are the hard working winners. Its all about I. The prize money will be bonded and paid thats the bottom line.

If say Derik would except invitation to drive a mod . Would it be about we the readers or Derik the man . If derik did this he would mention the o/c event but he wouldn't beable to forget his experiance if he excepted. You would here alot about what its like to drive a 450hp mod tho. I think the Is have it here. The we can go to hell. Because the WE in this instance is the city and they want it to be fun and successful. So a july hell it shall be. WE have our we in the right position . We have our Is were they should be.

I will be 100% honest . If kyle refused. I would offer to pay his entire trip on me . Thats up front. I would even pay him to drive. Why because Kyles Article . Would be a blast. First he would tear down all the things we did wrong in so far as event goes O/C. Which can be good and useful . Than We would have his version of what happens on race track . Kyles and every one elses. This time Kyle would be correct with his real world results. I see this as being nothing but fun and entertaining for many at event . Many many more after articles these guys put out about experiance if they except . Invitation. Its a solid foundation for a great week of fun . Now we just have to work at pulling this thing off . I have this years celebration to go over how we schedule events . So we get a dry run to set up for real deal . Which should prove very useful . I wouldn't let Kyle drive a 750hp mod tho . But it would be funny to slip him into one and the others in 450hp jobs . Its would be funny but dangerious.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Sorry no bang for buck winners here . Its all intel. But you can use whatever . This is about choice. We haven't got unlimited $$$ . We have to offer enough to make successful and build. Sure we will have short comings to start with but will build off of that. As for self promoting not true. I was upfront how we came up with idea. But we handed ball over to city.

That's all well and good . . . I just hope you realize that if you wanted to get the Anandtech community involved, that the points I made (and points others have made) are pretty good indicators of what standards you should meet before expecting any of us to be all that interested before or afterwards.

I'm sure if you got the attention of a vendor like Tankguys (just one of many possible vendors) that they'd be happy to source parts for the event following parameters similar to those I mentioned above. The only costs to the event coordinators outside of PR and prize money would be in setting up benchmarks, and if done properly, it would only take some time since you could probably do it all with free software and a little elbow grease.

Chances are that if you throw an overclock event where people are just throwing out whatever resources they want on whatever hardware they want (short of LN2/phase change/etc) that the entire event will be a giant cluster-you-know-what and those of us on the 'net will be scratching our heads wondering whether or not the results mean anything.

But, it's your event, so do with it as you please.
 

Nemesis 1

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Look . We know we can't please everyone. To start with. As it stands right now. Without setup cost . The prize money total comes to $25,000. WE only have till Jan.1 to raise the rest . We only have $4,000 as of this date.

Heres the plan . We well give AT the announcement with rules and confirmation money is on deposit. We will give scheudule . So guys can plan ahead for event. We don't want this to be WORK ! We need this to be entertaining for family and friends of competitors . So we need to have many other activities going on so as to make your vacation a vacation rather than stressful work /.. We want you guys to come. We need ya to come. BUT if you can't have fun at same time don't come . This isn't Just about the competion .

Its about putting on great event from our point of view and letting public see another side of nerdism . Sure the $$$ well be good . I wish we didn't have to use money as a foundation . But I see NO other way other than let PC industry put on event and screw it all up . I think were doing this correctly . Keeping vendors away from rules and activities . They can fit in at latter date. When there begging for booths . Than and only than will the real money show up and a true professel league is formed . Lets see who does it right. We are going for Mainstream O/C . F1 is going with Intel /AMD manufactories . Our league will make so much noise about unbuyable processors being used . Intel will never join .

Lets face it . PC O/C is not a real specator event outside of us . So F1 will create very little interest among the majority . Only those with vested interest will back it .


Its not like we don't want or need ideas . Were aware of vendor money . But we don't want them involved till we have working model. We want control Fully . If were successful . We will sell booth space. Who to ? Heatsink makers Water/Air both. Memory makers. Case makers. The money raised from these vendors will pay the prize moneys in time. I just not going to through a large sum of money at this and think it will work . The amount of work involved to get this done and done right by next july is going to be hard work . So my daughter has to push hard to get everyone moving on there assignments. THe model we want we can't do right away . Just not possiable . We need to know many unknowns befor we have perfect formate . We want differant speed classes. We want differant core classes. It will come with success. We have a beutiful building and electrics already in place just needs setup time.

Even tho this is about 24/7 O/C world champships. We are filling in other activities for players and families . If we are successful . Guys who come to play . Will have a good experience. IF we pull this off . Maybe you guys might someday remember me and have nice thoughts. To me that would be wonderful .


To go offtopic abit . Lets talk about something .

When I started racing . The points system was amazing and it worked.

How did it work .

For each race a set number of points is given . Your points are totaled at end of night .

Now your starting position for your races is determined by number of points driver has. divided by the number of events attended . That gave you your starting position.

Top points start in rear . The fairest system every created for weekly racing . But something terriable happened.

All the top runners other than myself wanted start position change to luck of draw . Mostly cowardly and corrupt system there is . I watched guys draw numbers and put back and redraw if they didn't like, Pure cheating .

I liked starting in back of 24 cars every night . I never changed. I still take that rear spot and it kills us. I don't race anymore but son does . I make him start in back . Its all about right Vs. Wrong . Even tho we suffer for or stuborness . We are proud. The old way was just and fair . The new way is for cowards and losers.

I find this to be much like the This new F1 thing . Cowardly as all hail . Why do these big boys not stepp down to play water cool king . I tell ya why. Because they get cut down to size there nobodies. They have advantage .

I am a little angry about this league. But I know already what were going to do . Bob already working on setup .

Watch the record boys. There is a new 2 year old boy . who will be putting out O/C using liquid gas.

Thats right he will turn on the M/B and start the benchmark while Bob pours . I want to let him do his own soldiering but wife and mom are getting a little ancy. But he has to do the soldier. Than it is infact his O/C . So big guys . I am throwing a 2 year old at ya . Its going to get real amusing . This will happen really fast . I have to do it . :lips: