NEW Ford F150 rates 'poor' in bumper tests F-150

Ogg

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They look cool though
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dullard

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Originally posted by: Lifer
i thought crash tests were there to test passenger safety, not repair costs
For years they have tested both. There is no reason a safe bumper needs to cost over $1000 to repair. If it does cost more, then most likely a simple redesign of the cosmetics won't change the safety at all - but will save consumers a ton of money (lower repair bills, and lower insurance bills). Plus the repair bill test may highlight safety issues that were previously unnoticed before. If someone hits you at a few MPH, you should only have a scratched bumper. But what if the bumper moves significantly into the body or engine of the car? The bumper should crumple - not the body of the vechicle. Significant intrusions from these low speed tests mean the vehicle could pose significant safety risks to the vehicle occupants.
 
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In response to the test results Ford said in a statement: "Ford Motor Company designs all of its vehicle bumper systems to perform well in the company's stringent internal testing. These tests by the IIHS are conducted to determine cost estimates to repair damage incurred in low speed bumper impact tests and are not related to occupant safety. In addition, these tests may not be representative of the type of damage that occurs in real world situations."
Why is occupant safety even in question at <5mph? Unless they're running into a landmine or something, injuries are extremely unlikely at these speeds. Backing out of a parking spot and running into a pole or concrete obstruction is a perfect example of a real world situation.

Minor fendor benders are an excellent money maker for dealers and parts vendors, so what incentive do automakers have to reinforce the bumper materials? Most people don't seem to care, or if they do care they certainly aren't very vocal about it.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Lifer
i thought crash tests were there to test passenger safety, not repair costs
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IIHS does both. And it is really ridiculous that a 5mph or under impact can do thousands of dollars of damage to a car. Of course if you want to make a truck look pretty, I guess you have to expect these things. Can you order a new f-150 with a steel or unpainted rubber bumper? I would expect that in a work truck.
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: Lifer
i thought crash tests were there to test passenger safety, not repair costs
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IIHS does both. And it is really ridiculous that a 5mph or under impact can do thousands of dollars of damage to a car. Of course if you want to make a truck look pretty, I guess you have to expect these things. Can you order a new f-150 with a steel or unpainted rubber bumper? I would expect that in a work truck.

This happened at roughly 5-10mph...
 

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Originally posted by: Lifer
i thought crash tests were there to test passenger safety, not repair costs
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Since 1975, the federal government has required that automobiles be able to withstand a low-speed impact (usually 5mph or less) with a minimum of damage and needed repair cost. The legislation that required this was brought about by insurance companies who were upset over the flimsy bumpers of the day (or even lack of) where a car could be nearly totalled from a low-speed impact, like a bump in a parking lot.
The results of this test could greatly impact the insurance premiums of new F-150 owners.
 

CraigRT

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who cares about bumper tests.. well i mean really... most good looking vehicles without functional looking bumpers will sustain a lot of damage.. cars are mostly cosmetic appeal on the outside now, and hardly any real function :p

i am sure other trucks also for example, would not score great either...
 

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"These tests by the IIHS are conducted to determine cost estimates to repair damage incurred in low speed bumper impact tests and are not related to occupant safety. In addition, these tests may not be representative of the type of damage that occurs in real world situations."

What right does Ford have in discrediting the IIHS primary purpose of testing safety features on vehicles? It's not biased, nor any special attention is given to certain manufacturer's. The IIHS does it's tests out of its own pocket for informing the consumer and protecting their safety through their own tests; ulitmately protecting people's investments.

What "real world" tests are Ford talking about?
Bumper-Bumper? Bumper-Pole? Bumper-Human?

I'd bet a shopping cart can do a lot of damage to the bumper of the f-150
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: CraigRT
who cares about bumper tests.. well i mean really... most good looking vehicles without functional looking bumpers will sustain a lot of damage.. cars are mostly cosmetic appeal on the outside now, and hardly any real function :p

i am sure other trucks also for example, would not score great either...


You should care. Most fillings are for small items. So a 5mph test shows what the average bill would be for a parking lot fender bender. The higher the cost = the higher YOUR insurance.

 

RU482

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Originally posted by: crab
built ford tough

reminds me of the Simpsons "Canyonero" truck commercial...

[Deep Voice Announcer] Built Ford Tough [/Big Voice Announcer]
[Soft Voice Announcer] uh, except for the bumpers [/Soft Voice Announcer]
 

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Why is occupant safety even in question at <5mph? Unless they're running into a landmine or something, injuries are extremely unlikely at these speeds. Backing out of a parking spot and running into a pole or concrete obstruction is a perfect example of a real world situation.
A real world situation for people who can't drive.

ZV
 

Quixfire

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Ford F-150 rates 'poor' in bumper tests

The nation's top-selling vehicle sustained $1,500 in damage in low-speed crash test, group says.

Guess they are NOT built like a rock. ;)
I don't see anywhere in that article where they compare it to the POS Chevy truck with the engine knock problem. I don't see how you can compare the two without additional information. Where is the cost analysis on the Chevy P/U???

 

Deeko

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Cars are are made of like, paper today. I swear, my '94 Grand Am could plow a hole through most SUV's and trucks today, and its a car.
 

Mookow

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Why is occupant safety even in question at <5mph? Unless they're running into a landmine or something, injuries are extremely unlikely at these speeds. Backing out of a parking spot and running into a pole or concrete obstruction is a perfect example of a real world situation.
A real world situation for people who can't drive.

ZV

I just got into an accident with a combined closing speed of maybe 10-15 mph. The end result was two cars, totaled, and two cars, relatively undamaged.

So it would be nice if at slow speeds the the vehicles involved had:
a)matching bumper heights
b)the bumper took some of the damage rather than almost falling off, but staying intact, and leaving the trunk to take almost all the force from the impact.
 

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lol, almost all the 4x4 today has high cost for simple parking lot bumper.. its all been tested.. the fx35 requires like 3500 for a simple bump.
 

LAUST

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Oh well people that bump into things should pay the price for ignorance :)