New E3 DoW 2 movie released!

[Drift3r]

So far we have Orkz, Space Marines, and Eldar. It looks to me at the end that the 4th race for DoW 2 will be the Nid's Just my opinion but that don't look like no warp storm or necron storm at the end of the video. It looked to me like a Tyranid spore invasion which is how they operate when they invade and devour a planet for it's biomass.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/...193807/videoplayerpop?

Oh and this movie rocks! I wonder if it's one of the in game movies you see for a campaign to start off each race or something or when you beat one. Anyways it was a bad ass movie with SM and Eldar kicking butt and taking names on both sides. Oh and the Eldar Banshee Warriors are pretty damn elite so no whining about them taking out a few Space Marines. The Eldar Warp Spider was particularly bad ass as well IMHO.

 

[Elcs]

Quite interesting. I wouldnt complain about the SM massacre because the fluff is so wildly different and DoW isnt supposed to be 100% fluffy, its supposed to be fun.

I did feel a little disappointed, mainly because I wasnt watching the HD trailer on my HDTV but on a works laptop.

I am against all things Tyranid and not a fan of the race despite the fact that I enjoyed Starship Troopers. I guess the thought of an all powerful, non-thinking race of mutants that develop and evolve is a bit meh to me.

All in all, DoW2 sounds like its going to take the genre to another level, much like its predecessor and they could hardly pick a more pleasant, flowers and rainbows kind of universe for it

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Elcs
Quite interesting. I wouldnt complain about the SM massacre because the fluff is so wildly different and DoW isnt supposed to be 100% fluffy, its supposed to be fun.

I did feel a little disappointed, mainly because I wasnt watching the HD trailer on my HDTV but on a works laptop.

I am against all things Tyranid and not a fan of the race despite the fact that I enjoyed Starship Troopers. I guess the thought of an all powerful, non-thinking race of mutants that develop and evolve is a bit meh to me.

All in all, DoW2 sounds like its going to take the genre to another level, much like its predecessor and they could hardly pick a more pleasant, flowers and rainbows kind of universe for it

Nid's remind me of the Borg but more organic or army ants but more evolved. Also the Hive Mind itself is pretty sentient I think as it serves as means to control, communicate, organize and deploy a Nid fleets.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Elcs
Quite interesting. I wouldnt complain about the SM massacre because the fluff is so wildly different and DoW isnt supposed to be 100% fluffy, its supposed to be fun.

I did feel a little disappointed, mainly because I wasnt watching the HD trailer on my HDTV but on a works laptop.

I am against all things Tyranid and not a fan of the race despite the fact that I enjoyed Starship Troopers. I guess the thought of an all powerful, non-thinking race of mutants that develop and evolve is a bit meh to me.

All in all, DoW2 sounds like its going to take the genre to another level, much like its predecessor and they could hardly pick a more pleasant, flowers and rainbows kind of universe for it

Nid's remind me of the Borg but more organic or army ants but more evolved. Also the Hive Mind itself is pretty sentient I think as it serves as means to control, communicate, organize and deploy a Nid fleets.

I think that the nids dont settle well with me because I cant feel their tie to the universe. Their background is unknown but its not the kind of mystery that leaves me intrigued, wanting to know more about their origins and how they are going to fit into the universe. They just seem omnipotent, all powerful and unstoppable in any war of attrition.

The Necrons may be devoid of any personality and "look" like a bit of a Borg rip-of with their black/grey and green image but they have an interesting back story and because the Eldar are "worried" then you can understand why they are so powerful. Their attacks are rather sporadic, random and localised to they are a hidden threat so to speak.

If they do this right, it would be great to have a "Tower Defense" map for little "zergling" Tyranids to be mangled.

 

[Fenixgoon]

damn does DoW 2 have a great teaser! while i'm kinda disappointed that they're moving away from base building like the standard RTS, i think it will give a very different dynamic that you wouldn't get with that style of play. can't wait for DoW2 and SC2. 2009 will be a great year for RTS players!

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
damn does DoW 2 have a great teaser! while i'm kinda disappointed that they're moving away from base building like the standard RTS, i think it will give a very different dynamic that you wouldn't get with that style of play. can't wait for DoW2 and SC2. 2009 will be a great year for RTS players!

From my perceptions, it is like the mini-campaign in WC3/TFT.

I LOVED IT!!! An RPG inside an RTS mould. The two genres meld together well, adding base RPG elements into an RTS and removing base building. It certainly makes you "care" about your units rather than a meat-grinder approach.

Developing the abilities of your squad or hero or villan is an option I feel that the game must have. Rather simplified, if you have an SM squad and it levels up, you should be able to give one of the guys a Plasma gun or something similar or upgrade one to Sargeant/Squad Leader.

The possibilities and intricacies are endless when developers intertwine two genres and create a real hybrid game.

For me, this is the only game I am looking forward to and watching out for a release date (usually September/October for DoW games I believe) this year. Everything else is a "well, I'll look at it once its released."

 

[Liet]

Am I alone in preferring that the Eldar wear helmets? I always imagined the reverb-ey Eldar voice was because of the helmets, and it sounds funky if they sound like that without em.

Great video. I'm really looking forward to DoW2 (it's one of the few games this year I'm going to buy without hesitation) but I do agree the Tyranids aren't really appealing.

Every now and then I light up a cigarette, grab a coke, and watch an expert DoW / DC replay.

 

[xSkyDrAx]

The nids are not unstoppable. They have been stopped albeit at a huge cost. Other than that the nids fear the necrons because fighting necrons bring them no biomass which means they will consistently lose against the necrons. This makes it rather interesting if the necrons ever decide to go after the nids. Also some speculate that the trailer is hinting at chaos (some think the clouds look like the mark of khorne) all in all that trailer was bad ass and I only wish that they could make a series for the books in such a manner.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Nifty trailer. What's with the human leading the the Eldar though?

At any rate, looks good. The Warhammer 20k universe is such fun. There are no good guys, just different shades of murderous psychos.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Nifty trailer. What's with the human leading the the Eldar though?

At any rate, looks good. The Warhammer 20k universe is such fun. There are no good guys, just different shades of murderous psychos.

Human leading the Eldar? They were all Eldar in that video save the Space Marines.

20k? You mean 40K right?

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Oops. Yes, 40k. And uh....Eldar have hair? Really?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: xSkyDrAx
The nids are not unstoppable. They have been stopped albeit at a huge cost. Other than that the nids fear the necrons because fighting necrons bring them no biomass which means they will consistently lose against the necrons. This makes it rather interesting if the necrons ever decide to go after the nids. Also some speculate that the trailer is hinting at chaos (some think the clouds look like the mark of khorne) all in all that trailer was bad ass and I only wish that they could make a series for the books in such a manner.

i hope it's tyranids, simply because they haven't been show yet. lictors, carnifexes, and hive leaders (i cant remember their name ) are friggin AWESOME

also, try reading the Gaunt's Ghosts novels. Sure, they're about the imperial guard, but they're still pretty damn good

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: PhatoseAlpha
Oops. Yes, 40k. And uh....Eldar have hair? Really?

http://uk.games-workshop.com/e...ges/eldar-vignette.jpg

That's an image from the GW table top 40K rules book. Yes they have hair though as noted by others they usually run around with their helmets on or at least that's how they are seen most of the time.

Here's another example.

http://uk.games-workshop.com/d...images/1_1280x1024.jpg

http://uk.games-workshop.com/d...m/images/pirate6_b.jpg

 

[Zenoth]

There is a possibility that the Necrons would go after the Tyranids in the WH40K universe, and it could be if the Tyranids invade the galaxy en masse with the intent of consuming all the biomass contained in it, everything, leaving only deserted planets, devoid of vegetation and all other forms of life and even up to the very atmospheres themselves. If that happens the C'Tan won't be happy. The C'Tan's "food" source is the living that the Necrons kill during their Dark Crusades, however the Necrons never entirely destroy all life, they always need to leave "some" behind for it to regenerate itself and so for millions of years, until they wake up again and harvest once more.

It is a cycle which must not be disrupted. If the Tyranids come and want to consume everything without a chance of life regeneration it basically means that the C'Tan will starve to death, and that in turn the Necron armies will never wake up again, and that for the C'Tan is a big no no. The absolute entirety of the Necron forces and more to be produced for such a cause would be sent against the Tyranids in such a scenario, and a galactic-wide war against both of those races would certainly last very, very long. It would be the irony of the whole thing, perhaps, that the Necrons in face of a massive Tyranid invasion would in other words waging war against them to actually protect life rather than harvest it.

For DoW 2 I'm pretty sure that the Tyranids are either just preparing a massive invasion, or are starting to cause serious damage within the Orkish territories since they could well be part of what's left of the Leviathan Hive Fleet which was redirected into the Orks' Empire by the Imperium's survivalist strategy. The Imperium hopes, or I should rather say gambles that the Orks by their sheer unimaginable numbers will eventually wipe out all of the Tyranids now present in their empire. The problem is that if the Tyranids in fact manage to win, they will end up creating even more absolute monstrosities based on the Orkish' DNA, which are themselves already built for war. If the Leviathan Hive Fleet forces win over the Orks (which even if it sounds incredible isn't out of the equation at all) it would result in a truly unstoppable super Hive Fleet that would inevitably end up waking up the Necrons.

So one way or another the Necrons right now in the current events of the Warhammer 40,000 lore will have their words to give one day sooner or later. The real question about DoW 2 is when are its events occurring in regards with the ones currently happening by the lore's and book's intents.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I've watched the HD feed several times. I loved it

Wow. It looks great. It took me a bit to figure out at the end, that the moon represented the eye of terror.

I've always hated how they gimp the abilities of the space marines. These guys wear 2 tons of damn armor, And bullets pierce it a like its nothing? And the heavy bolter fires damn rockets. Not high caliber rounds.

 

[RedArmy]

I haven't even watched the trailer/movie/whatever and I know it's gonna be awesome. DoW is the best RTS I've ever played...besides TA

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I've watched the HD feed several times. I loved it

Wow. It looks great. It took me a bit to figure out at the end, that the moon represented the eye of terror.

I've always hated how they gimp the abilities of the space marines. These guys wear 2 tons of damn armor, And bullets pierce it a like its nothing? And the heavy bolter fires damn rockets. Not high caliber rounds.

Eldar weapons are not to be taken lightly. Space marines are bad arse killing machines only because the opponents they face are usually also bad arse killing machines in their own right. No average squad of humans ( IG ) would of been able to repel that ambush by the Eldar. Oh and yes Space Marines can and do die by the dozens sometimes. Sure heroic figures are just awesome but the average space marine grunt can be killed which is why all SM's have planets on which they recruit new SM's prospects. Eldar Banshee warriors are pretty bad arse units who are close combat specialists, Warp Spiders are nothing to sneeze at either. The only one who sucked was the Ranger with his horrible shoulder shot which was nothing but a joke.

Oh and the moon doesn't represent anything other then it being a moon near a planet about to be invaded by a spore cloud of Nids. The eye of terror itself is a huge stationary warp phenomenon that is probably on the other side of the galaxy from where this planet is located.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I've watched the HD feed several times. I loved it

Wow. It looks great. It took me a bit to figure out at the end, that the moon represented the eye of terror.

I've always hated how they gimp the abilities of the space marines. These guys wear 2 tons of damn armor, And bullets pierce it a like its nothing? And the heavy bolter fires damn rockets. Not high caliber rounds.

Eldar weapons are not to be taken lightly. Space marines are bad arse killing machines only because the opponents they face are usually also bad arse killing machines in their own right. No average squad of humans ( IG ) would of been able to repel that ambush by the Eldar. Oh and yes Space Marines can and do die by the dozens sometimes. Sure heroic figures are just awesome but the average space marine grunt can be killed which is why all SM's have planets on which they recruit new SM's prospects. Eldar Banshee warriors are pretty bad arse units who are close combat specialists, Warp Spiders are nothing to sneeze at either. The only one who sucked was the Ranger with his horrible shoulder shot which was nothing but a joke.

Oh and the moon doesn't represent anything other then it being a moon near a planet about to be invaded by a spore cloud of Nids. The eye of terror itself is a huge stationary warp phenomenon that is probably on the other side of the galaxy from where this planet is located.

Well, at the same time, I expect more of the Space Marines, considering what they go through in training.

I made a mistake when I say the eye of terror. I just meant an eye. I do think its supposed to be an eye of some kind.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
There is a possibility that the Necrons would go after the Tyranids in the WH40K universe, and it could be if the Tyranids invade the galaxy en masse with the intent of consuming all the biomass contained in it, everything, leaving only deserted planets, devoid of vegetation and all other forms of life and even up to the very atmospheres themselves. If that happens the C'Tan won't be happy. The C'Tan's "food" source is the living that the Necrons kill during their Dark Crusades, however the Necrons never entirely destroy all life, they always need to leave "some" behind for it to regenerate itself and so for millions of years, until they wake up again and harvest once more.

It is a cycle which must not be disrupted. If the Tyranids come and want to consume everything without a chance of life regeneration it basically means that the C'Tan will starve to death, and that in turn the Necron armies will never wake up again, and that for the C'Tan is a big no no. The absolute entirety of the Necron forces and more to be produced for such a cause would be sent against the Tyranids in such a scenario, and a galactic-wide war against both of those races would certainly last very, very long. It would be the irony of the whole thing, perhaps, that the Necrons in face of a massive Tyranid invasion would in other words waging war against them to actually protect life rather than harvest it.

For DoW 2 I'm pretty sure that the Tyranids are either just preparing a massive invasion, or are starting to cause serious damage within the Orkish territories since they could well be part of what's left of the Leviathan Hive Fleet which was redirected into the Orks' Empire by the Imperium's survivalist strategy. The Imperium hopes, or I should rather say gambles that the Orks by their sheer unimaginable numbers will eventually wipe out all of the Tyranids now present in their empire. The problem is that if the Tyranids in fact manage to win, they will end up creating even more absolute monstrosities based on the Orkish' DNA, which are themselves already built for war. If the Leviathan Hive Fleet forces win over the Orks (which even if it sounds incredible isn't out of the equation at all) it would result in a truly unstoppable super Hive Fleet that would inevitably end up waking up the Necrons.

So one way or another the Necrons right now in the current events of the Warhammer 40,000 lore will have their words to give one day sooner or later. The real question about DoW 2 is when are its events occurring in regards with the ones currently happening by the lore's and book's intents.

I agree that eventual if the Nids get out of control the Necrons are going to get annoyed by them consuming all the potential souls for C-Than to devour. As for the Orkz and Hive fleet Leviathan well Orkz and Nids are kind of the same in that the more they kill the stronger they each get. The more Orkz die the more spores they release thus breeding more Orkz who fight, kill and die. Both species have the potential to become very powerful over time because of how they each get stronger every time they fight and win. Whoever is going to come out on top in that conflict is going to seriously cause some trouble in the Galaxy for everyone else.

As for DoW and it's games well it doesn't really set the standard for lore. In fact I doubt most of what happens in DoW would be in line with Lore as some things are very off lore wise in that series. If anything DoW draws from the GW 40k lore and then uses it to create a game but it does not effect the TT or fluff books written by GW's publishing house called the Black Library.

 

[styrafoam]

Where are the squats? WTF this is gonna suck.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: styrafoam
Where are the squats? WTF this is gonna suck.

Buwahahahaaaa! Somoene told just told me those things in the sky were actually squats raining down.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: tenshodo13
I've watched the HD feed several times. I loved it

Wow. It looks great. It took me a bit to figure out at the end, that the moon represented the eye of terror.

I've always hated how they gimp the abilities of the space marines. These guys wear 2 tons of damn armor, And bullets pierce it a like its nothing? And the heavy bolter fires damn rockets. Not high caliber rounds.

Eldar weapons are not to be taken lightly. Space marines are bad arse killing machines only because the opponents they face are usually also bad arse killing machines in their own right. No average squad of humans ( IG ) would of been able to repel that ambush by the Eldar. Oh and yes Space Marines can and do die by the dozens sometimes. Sure heroic figures are just awesome but the average space marine grunt can be killed which is why all SM's have planets on which they recruit new SM's prospects. Eldar Banshee warriors are pretty bad arse units who are close combat specialists, Warp Spiders are nothing to sneeze at either. The only one who sucked was the Ranger with his horrible shoulder shot which was nothing but a joke.

Oh and the moon doesn't represent anything other then it being a moon near a planet about to be invaded by a spore cloud of Nids. The eye of terror itself is a huge stationary warp phenomenon that is probably on the other side of the galaxy from where this planet is located.

this is why the eldar ranger had a BS of 3, if I remember my codex correctly

 

[Elcs]

Re-watching it, I dont think it could/should be the Tyranids.

The Chapter on display is the Blood Ravens. Considering the storyline which THQ/Relic have followed through DoW, WA, DC and SS.... I think its a longshot adding in a Tyranid story-part.

In DoW they fought tooth and nail against an Ork invasion, then mashing Eldar and Chaos when they realise that otherworldly forces are in play.

WA - Im sure in the C.S Goto (ARGH!) book, the Blood Ravens came in to fight against the Necrons.

DC and SS I believe further cast aspersions about the Blood Ravens being linked to something foul, probably Chaotic in nature.

Considering the multitude of enemies that the Blood Ravens have faced over these campaigns, to add another foe to their bolter clip would be odd and I feel detract from what they have built up.

On the flip side, many people will rant, rave, whinge if the Tyranids arent included as THQ/Relic always professed that Tyranids would not be done justice in the DoW 1 engine and could only be justified with a new engine.

EDIT: Spring 2009?!?! Here.

 

[Zenoth]

Originally posted by: ElcsEDIT: Spring 2009?!?! Here.

Honestly I'm not surprised, and I personally did expect such a release date, and I believe that SC2 will also be released at around the same time, or perhaps during the holidays. I wouldn't have been able to conceive a 2008 release date for DoW 2.

 

[Eeezee]

I hope it's chaos. The fight between all of the races is really awesome. However, I don't care for the Tyranids or the Necrons; the idea of a race that just wants to destroy everything is lame. At least Chaos is about corruption, and the orks are just about war (not wholesale desolation like the Tyranids and Necrons).