New DVD Encryption makes it hard to play movies on computers and media center pcs

mzkhadir

Diamond Member
Mar 6, 2003
9,509
1
76
ZDNET Blog



Protect DVD-Video - A slap in the face for PC and Media Center owners Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 4:38 am


The movie industry seems determined to continue on a course where it happily erodes the rights of legitimate users, all in the name of securing profits. The latest example of this comes in the form of a DVD copy protection technology called Protect DVD-Video which actually prevents a DVD being played on a Windows PC using Windows Media Player, Windows Media Center Edition or any software players based on DirectShow.

Protect DVD-Video is the brainchild of a company called ProtectDisc. Part of the copy-protection mechanism is a non-standard UDF (Universal Disc Format) file system which results in the IFO file on the DVD (this is the file responsible for storing information on chapters, subtitles and audio tracks) appearing to the PC as being zero bytes long.

The upshot of this is that if you have a DVD disc protected by Protect DVD-Video and you try to play the disc in a PC-based system using, say, Windows Media Player, the process will fail. Now, lets be clear here, we are taking about a genuine, legitimate DVD disc not working in a PC, not a pirated disc or a download via a torrent. Protect DVD-Video protects a DVD by basically making it un-playable in a DVD drive that's in a Windows-based PC (I've no information on whether this also locks out Linux users - I would imagine that it does).

Remember how I told you that Protect DVD-Video was the brainchild of ProtectDisc? Well, the interesting thing about this company is that it is run by Volkmar Breitfeld, who is also managing director of ACE (who market the FluxDVD copy protection). However, dig a little deeper and you find that Breitfeld used to work for the "other side" and is known for his work developing tools to circumvent copy protection, such as InstantCopy and InstantCD/DVD.

As with most copy protection mechanisms, a way round it is never that far behind. SlySoft have a product called AnyDVD which works in the background to automatically remove the copy protection of a DVD movie as soon as it's inserted into the drive. The other day they released an updated version of AnyDVD which effortlessly bypasses Protect DVD-Video.

"With this copy protection the film industry clearly overshot the mark", says Giancarlo Bettini, CEO at SlySoft. "The premium customer who spent a lot of money on his multimedia home cinema and who, for quality reasons, would never even consider watching anything else but an original DVD, is being slapped in the face. These customers with their shelves stuffed with rightfully acquired DVDs, can't watch their videos."

As usual, I don't have a problem with anyone protecting their intellectual property and making sure that they are paid fairly for their work, but I am dismayed when, time after time, they seem to blur the line between fair use and piracy. The more that legitimate users are being made to feel like they have been cheated out of being able to use what they've paid for, the more people are being pushed into looking for tools that allow them to circumvent copy protection ? simply to use what they paid for. That sets a worrying trend that will ultimately make things worse for the movie and recording industry. Imagine if keys were outlawed and people had to turn to lockpicks to get into their own homes? Would that make us all more secure? I doubt it! The same thing is happening here. The entertainment industry is forcing ordinary users to look for tools to bust copy protection in order to use a product they?ve paid for, ordinary users feels abused and ripped off by a big, faceless corporation, and the next time they want a song or movie, they're less likely to pay for it and more likely to acquire it through other channels.

And to be honest, who can blame them?
 

AgentJean

Banned
Jun 7, 2006
1,280
0
0
It just opens the market to more and more pirating.
If I can't play legit media I will have no choice but to go bootleg.

The same thing happened in the 20's with booze.
 

spanner

Senior member
Jun 11, 2001
464
0
0
Oddly enough I have come accross this (or maybe something similar) in pirated disks sold in the markets in africa. They simply won't play in a computer or on my dads divx capable lite-on dvd player which relies on reading the file system, but it works in the dirt cheap dvd players. Though it only figures that pirates don't want anyone muscling in on their game.
 

NathanBWF

Golden Member
May 29, 2003
1,810
0
0
Someone somewhere will find a way around it eventually...that's what always happens.

EDIT: Doh! Didn't read it closely enough... :eek:
 

Pardus

Diamond Member
Jun 29, 2000
8,197
21
81
give it a few days, someone will figure this out too. when will they ever learn...
 

keeleysam

Diamond Member
Feb 8, 2005
8,131
0
0
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
prevents a DVD being played on a Windows PC using Windows Media Player, Windows Media Center Edition or any software players based on DirectShow.
VLC in OpenGL mode FTW?
 

Kelvrick

Lifer
Feb 14, 2001
18,422
5
81
Two posters above me don't seem that bright.

As with most copy protection mechanisms, a way round it is never that far behind. SlySoft have a product called AnyDVD which works in the background to automatically remove the copy protection of a DVD movie as soon as it's inserted into the drive. The other day they released an updated version of AnyDVD which effortlessly bypasses Protect DVD-Video.

EDIT: Two posters above the poster above me.
 

AgentJean

Banned
Jun 7, 2006
1,280
0
0
They had better put a warning label on the DvDs infected with this "encryption" or there will be a law suit larger than Sony's DRM snafu.
 

silverpig

Lifer
Jul 29, 2001
27,703
12
81
Originally posted by: keeleysam
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
prevents a DVD being played on a Windows PC using Windows Media Player, Windows Media Center Edition or any software players based on DirectShow.
VLC in OpenGL mode FTW?

It's funny cause the guy says it disables the ability for a directshow enabled player to play the dvd... yet there isn't any native direct-show support in linux. It should probably still work in linux, which means there'll still be immediate copies out there to download.
 

Pabster

Lifer
Apr 15, 2001
16,986
1
0
Originally posted by: mzkhadir
As with most copy protection mechanisms, a way round it is never that far behind. SlySoft have a product called AnyDVD which works in the background to automatically remove the copy protection of a DVD movie as soon as it's inserted into the drive. The other day they released an updated version of AnyDVD which effortlessly bypasses Protect DVD-Video.

Damn I love AnyDVD :laugh:
 

fire400

Diamond Member
Nov 21, 2005
5,204
21
81
it's very similar to the security features found on many of today's CD audio media. it prevents certain aspects of how a file can be copied because of encryption technology on the CD itself. however, it has always been an easy bypass, from not copying data directly from the CD, but ripping media files through playing the music to encode into a saved file format.
otherwise, such technology exists where you clone a media exactly the way the data is presented on the disc, without comprising any significant standards of the original copy.

as for DVD's, it will be slightly more complex, however, the bypass workarounds will still be present. with technology improving rapidly, DVD recording to HD format via s-video is not very hard to achieve at home. software today, is offered for free or of very little charge to actually successfully rip a legit DVD as files onto a computer or copy the file formats of the media and potentially customize the way it can be played on other DVD players.

you can disable one thing, but as long as present technology is available to consumers, piracy will always be existant, an illness to those who want free stuff, destruction to their self-esteem and one of the very causes for mass companies losing profit. most people who pirate media know that it is illegal, yet they still do it, the same can be said for criminals who were charged with recurring records of breaking the law. it's habbit, you don't just decide to steal something, it was something you allowed yourself to do over the years. corruption, maybe so. but stealing was never something to be proud of, it limited your ability to process positive motives.

encrypted or stolen, what does anyone care?

to be or not to be, that is the question. -Hamlet
 

GrantMeThePower

Platinum Member
Jun 10, 2005
2,923
2
0
What studios are using this encryption? that is the real question. The fact that this technology exists doesn't mean too much to the end user if no one actually puts it on a disc.

I'm optimistically reserving hope that the studios figure it out. Hollywood is beginning too as this season you can see most tv shows for free on their websites after they've aired, and Universal and Warners signed deals with YouTube.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
15,993
14
81
Since the MPAA is freakin' retarded enough to keep going down this dead end road, I think I'm going to come up with some bullsh!t protection scheme to sell them. Apparently they're dumb enough to buy any bullsh!t so I think I can make out pretty well. :)
 

b0mbrman

Lifer
Jun 1, 2001
29,470
1
81
Originally posted by: mzkhadir

[Article said]
As usual, I don't have a problem with anyone protecting their intellectual property and making sure that they are paid fairly for their work, but I am dismayed when, time after time, they seem to blur the line between fair use and piracy. The more that legitimate users are being made to feel like they have been cheated out of being able to use what they've paid for, the more people are being pushed into looking for tools that allow them to circumvent copy protection ? simply to use what they paid for

"What they paid for" was a movie that doesn't play on computers and media centers. Vote with your dollars.

If you buy a toaster one year that you discover will toast Pop Tarts but doesn't toast bread, the next year you'd buy a different toaster, wouldn't you?

So stop buying movies with this sort of copy protection.
 

b0mbrman

Lifer
Jun 1, 2001
29,470
1
81
Originally posted by: AgentJean
It just opens the market to more and more pirating.
If I can't play legit media I will have no choice but to go bootleg.

The same thing happened in the 20's with booze.

Movie piracy and prohibition? Looking at it from an economic standpoint, I'd say they have less in common than more.