New dual gtx 460 incomming!? confirmed by Fudzilla

[happy medium]

The only thing we can confirm is that the new high end “GX2 Fermi successor” dual card has two GF104 chips and that the performance wise it should be the fastest thing on market, at least it should end up faster than Radeon HD 5970 X2 card

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/new-high-end-card-has-two-gf104-chips

Lets hope it has all the shaders enabled.

 

[Tempered81]

It might actually take Nvidia a full year to get the performance crown from the 5970. The Asus ARES will likely remain the fastest graphics card. Two 384cc GF104s at ~750mhz would def kick some arse!

Edit: Btw, Fuad has been posting about a dual-fermi graphics card for like two years now - lol. He even "confirmed" a dual-gpu GT300 board would be launched in November 2009...
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/graphics/dual-gt300-card-in-works

 

[happy medium]

It might actually take Nvidia a full year to get the performance crown from the 5970. The Asus ARES will likely remain the fastest graphics card. Two 384cc GF104s at ~750mhz would def kick some arse!

Edit: Btw, Fuad has been posting about a dual-fermi graphics card for like two years now - lol.

Problem is you can't buy a Asus Ares, it was a limited 1000 card run of 1000$ cards.

I'd imagine these costing about 600$. The gtx 480 is 440$ now and the gtx 470 is going for under 300$ now.

I'd like to see the gtx 475 (384 cc) come out at around 350$, with performance in between a 470 and 480. That would be sweet!
That would start a price war and thats what we want.

 

[BFG10K]

A 5970 is what, roughly 2x5850 in terms of performance? A single GTX460 is both slower than a single 5850, and uses more power too (http://techreport.com/articles.x/19242/12).

I can’t see how 2xGTX460 on a single PCB would take the crown away from the 5970 within the required thermal envelope, unless the drivers have better scaling.

 

[happy medium]

A 5970 is what, roughly 2x5850 in terms of performance? A single GTX460 is both slower than a single 5850, and uses more power too (http://techreport.com/articles.x/19242/12).

I can’t see how 2xGTX460 on a single PCB would take the crown away from the 5970 within the required thermal envelope, unless the drivers have better scaling.

They are talking a full 384 sp part x 2. The gtx 460 is only 336 sp's. A full 384 sp part should easily be close to a 5870 in performance. The gtx 460 is about 8% slower then a 5850 as per Anands review.

And yes sli scales much better. Just check some sli'ed gtx 460 1gb reviews.
It comes dam close to the 5970.

 

[Tempered81]

^They would have to be full gf104's at higher clocks. Even then it might just be equal to a stock 5970

And it would need a lot of oomph to overtake the ARES:

 

[happy medium]

They would have to be full gf104's at higher clocks. Even then it might just be equal to a stock 5970

The difference is only 10% now?

Well slied gtx 460's have 672 shaders vs 768 for the supposed dual card.
A 768 shader 700 core dual core gtx 475 (guessing) would beat up a 5970 IMHO.
If it didn't ,why make it?

 

[BFG10K]

They are talking a full 384 sp part x 2.

Again, how would that fit into the 300W TDP limit as per the PCIe spec? The 5970 is already underclocked to fit (the cooler is designed to dissipate 400W). A single 336SP GTX460 already uses more power than the 5850, so the 384SP part will use even more.

Now, they could underclock the each one, but then that 384SP no longer means the same thing.

 

[happy medium]

Again, how would that fit into the 300W TDP limit as per the PCIe spec? The 5970 is already underclocked to fit (the cooler is designed to dissipate 400W). A single 336SP GTX460 already uses more power than the 5850, so the 384SP part will use even more.

Now, they could underclock the each one, but then that 384SP no longer means the same thing.

Thats a good question, but it looks like they are.

Mabe they are exspecting better A2 silicon chips then the A1 silicon they are using now?

Is that possible? Your the expert. I don't know shit about that stuff.

 

[tincart]

I'm amused at how happy has gone from a speculative post on a rumour website to fostering the belief that the rumoured card will have two GPU's with 384 SP. Fuad, in that article, says "The dual card can end up with up to 768 shaders, but we are quite sure that the final number will be lower than that."

If you just want to make stuff up, then I guess I can too.

A super-overclocked 3 Cypress card clocked at 110000 GHZ with GDDR6+ 6GB will totally crush everything else. What would nVidia do? They would have no response, it would be the fastest car evars!

 

[bryanW1995]

I think that just about anything is in play here. Did rollo hack into one of our member's account? Maybe. Is this "member" actually jhh? probably not. did nvidia kidnap this person using an alien spacecraft and replace his brain with 876 nvidia tesla chips? probably.

 

[happy medium]

I'm amused at how happy has gone from a speculative post on a rumour website to fostering the belief that the rumoured card will have two GPU's with 384 SP. Fuad, in that article, says "The dual card can end up with up to 768 shaders, but we are quite sure that the final number will be lower than that."

If you just want to make stuff up, then I guess I can too.

A super-overclocked 3 Cypress card clocked at 110000 GHZ with GGDR6+ 6GB will totally crush everything else. What would nVidia do? They would have no response, it would be the fastest car evars!

Is it possible to make a card with more then 336 shaders but less then 384?
I thought there was ONE of the 8 clusters disabled.
Are they going to disable a HALF of cluster?
I didn't think that was possible.

I think thats a valid point!

So before you go bashing and throwing personal attacks my way ,answer that question for me.

So explain to me how they are going to make a dual card with 352 shaders on each gpu. I pulled that number (352) out of my head.

 

[tincart]

Is it possible to make a card with more then 336 shaders but less then 384?
I thought there was ONE of the 8 clusters disabled.
Are they going to disable a HALF of cluster?
I didn't think that was possible.

I have no idea why you asked this question and I don't think you do either. Think about what you're trying to say and give it another go. Look back to what I said in my post, what Fuad said in that article and then what you posted and attempt to divine a connection. I know I can't.

 

[BFG10K]

Thats a good question, but it looks like they are.

A single fudzilla rumor is hardly airtight.

Is that possible? Your the expert. I don't know shit about that stuff.

I’m only speculating like you. Historically GX2 parts have used cut-down cores; that is to say, each core on the PCB is a weaker version of the standalone version.

It’s possible a respin could help, but more likely clocks and/or execution units will be cut from the base GF104 seen on the GTX460.

 

[happy medium]

I have no idea why you asked this question and I don't think you do either. Think about what you're trying to say and give it another go. Look back to what I said in my post, what Fuad said in that article and then what you posted and attempt to divine a connection. I know I can't.

I asked the question for you to answer since you called me out.

I believe the answer to the question is, its immpossible to ,make a gf 104 card with less then 384 shaders and more then 336.

So the fudzzila guy is wrong about the statement, "The dual card can end up with up to 768 shaders, but we are quite sure that the final number will be lower than that."
Quite sure my ass, if it's going to be a dual gtx 460 ,336 sp each he would have said so.

Does that sound like what he meant?
So its one or the other 336 sp x2 or 384 sp x2,plain and simple.
And we all know the 336 sp part x2 will not cut the mustard.
So the only conclusion is a 384sp part x2.
right?

 

[tincart]

I asked the question for you to answer since you called me out.

I believe the answer to the question is, its immpossible to ,make a gf 104 card with less then 384 shaders and more then 336.

So the fudzzila guy is wrong about the statement, "The dual card can end up with up to 768 shaders, but we are quite sure that the final number will be lower than that."
Quite sure my ass, if it's going to be a dual gtx 460 ,336 sp each he would have said so.

Does that sound like what he meant?
So its one or the other 336 sp x2 or 384 sp x2,plain and simple.

First of all, you started this thread based off an article on Fudzilla. That is the ONLY information you have on this supposed card and now you are arguing that the information in that article is wrong? This apparently leaves you in happy_medium-fantasy-land competing against my super-overclocked 3 Cypress card clocked at 110000 GHZ with GDDR6+ 6GB. My fantasy card is much better than your fantasy card.

Let's do some elementary logic based on the information so far:

Premise 1: The chips in the rumoured dual-chip card described in this rumour article can have less than 336SPs, 336 SPs or 384 SPs.
Premise 2: According to the article, the chips will not have 384SPs
Conclusion:

You will note that I have left the conclusion blank on the grounds that the valid conclusion will not tax your powers of reasoning. We could also add a third premise relating to the "immpossiblility" of a card with two full GF104 chips due to power consumption issues, but the argument is sound with just two.

 

[happy medium]

First of all, you started this thread based off an article on Fudzilla. That is the ONLY information you have on this supposed card and now you are arguing that the information in that article is wrong? This apparently leaves you in happy_medium-fantasy-land competing against my super-overclocked 3 Cypress card clocked at 110000 GHZ with GDDR6+ 6GB. My fantasy card is much better than your fantasy card.

Let's do some elementary logic based on the information so far:

Premise 1: The chips in the rumoured dual-chip card described in this rumour article can have less than 336SPs, 336 SPs or 384 SPs.
Premise 2: According to the article, the chips will not have 384SPs
Conclusion:

You will note that I have left the conclusion blank on the grounds that the valid conclusion will not tax your powers of reasoning. We could also add a third premise relating to the "immpossiblility" of a card with two full GF104 chips due to power consumption issues, but the argument is sound with just two.

No it says the dual chip is confirmed and to be of gf104 design.
So you attack me but can't answer my question about the 1 disabled cluster.

I never said it was power possible or immpossible, I leave that to the Nvidia enginneers.

 

[tincart]

No it says the dual chip is confirmed and to be of gf104 design.
So you attack me but can't answer my question about the 1 disabled cluster.

I never said it was power possible or immpossible, I leave that to the Nvidia enginneers.

It says two things: Dual chip is confirmed and dual chip won't be 384SP. Accept both or accept neither. Given that it's your only source, you don't have much room to pick and choose.

I really don't care what you say about power since what you say has no basis on what is, in fact, possible.

I guess my faith in your deductive skills was misplaced.

 

[happy medium]

It says two things: Dual chip is confirmed and dual chip won't be 384SP. Accept both or accept neither. Given that it's your only source, you don't have much room to pick and choose.

I really don't care what you say about power since what you say has no basis on what is, in fact, possible.

I guess my faith in your deductive skills was misplaced.

It does NOT say dual chip won't be 384 sp's.
We were speculating about a article, and it was pleasent.........WAS

Do you just like to here yourself argue or just like throwing wrenches in any positive Nvidia thread there is?

 

[scooterlibby]

I would love this card. However, calling it confirmed based off of the Fudzilla story is highly misleading. I like the site but they do always speak in terms of "We are sure that this will" or "It definitely won't be..." when they have had many mistaken speculations before. Even if they say 'we can confirm' I would take it with a grain of salt. Change the thread title to 'Confirmed says Fudzilla'.

 

[Wreckage]

I'm betting due to the low volume that x2 cards are produced at, the chips will be cherrypicked allowing for possibly better clocks and or thermals.

 

[happy medium]

I would love this card. However, calling it confirmed based off of the Fudzilla story is highly misleading. I like the site but they do always speak in terms of "We are sure that this will" or "It definitely won't be..." when they have had many mistaken speculations before. Even if they say 'we can confirm' I would take it with a grain of salt. Change the thread title to 'Confirmed says Fudzilla'.

Noted and changed.

Thanks

 

[scooterlibby]

If they released a 384SP version that fell between the 480 and 5970 I would probably go for it. My 5970 has been a bit glitchy, though I love it so.

 

[tviceman]

A 5970 is what, roughly 2x5850 in terms of performance? A single GTX460 is both slower than a single 5850, and uses more power too (http://techreport.com/articles.x/19242/12).

I can’t see how 2xGTX460 on a single PCB would take the crown away from the 5970 within the required thermal envelope, unless the drivers have better scaling.

Anandtech's total system power draw for a massively overclocked 1 gig gtx460: 300-307 watts
Anandtech's total system power draw for a gtx275: 355 watts

Given that a gtx275 is hotter AND consumes more power under load than a heavily overclocked gtx460, a dual GF104 can be made relatively easily compared to the dual gtx275.

Fermi SLI scales better than crossfire. A fully unlocked GF104 (384 shaders) at slightly higher core/shader mhz speeds than reference gtx460's will easily beat a 5970. And if Nvidia managed to keep two gtx275's together under 300w, then I'm sure they can do it with full on GF104 cores.

 

[tincart]

It does NOT say dual chip won't be 384 sp's.

Do you just like to here yourself argue or just like throwing wrenches in any positive Nvidia thread there is?

Yes, it does say that "we are quite sure" that the chips in a dual chip card won't have 384 SPs. Well, it says the card won't have 768 SPs. The trick is to divide 768 by 2. It says that in the article. The article you linked to and, presumably, read.

I enjoy "throwing wrenches" into threads where you make ridiculous and unfounded claims, like this thread. Further, I have plenty of positive things to say about nV and negative things to say about ATi. To give one recent example: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=30129283&highlight=#post30129283