The episode shows how the security of oil supplies is always at the forefront of governments' planning.
If we went say a year or so without oil, even Jimmy Carter would have been calling for an invasion. Plenty of wars started over economics.It is made clear that the invasion would probably only be contemplated if the situation in the region deteriorated to such an extent that the oil embargo went on for a long time, threatening western economies. This is called "the dark scenario."
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
"Because of the real and psychological impact of a curtailment in the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf on the international economic system, we must assure our readiness to deal promptly with actions aimed at disrupting that traffic."
Originally posted by: sward666
You know there's probably a contingency plan for an alien (no, not the south-of-the-border kind) invasion too. No big.
tnit - shouldn't you be out manning a sobriety checkpoint right about now?
Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
without oil, iraq would just be another somalia
this is why we haven't launched the beat down on kim jong, they gots no oil, which backfired on us cuz now he's blackmailing us all with his now not secret nukes. we give him $200 million in aid a year and his ppl suffer more and more under him, so serves us right for the "appeasement" strategy.
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.
There ARE good reasons for staying there. People --ALL people-- have a tendency to fall into familiar patterns rather than make meaningful change. It would be VERY easy for another Saddam-style dictator to get into power in Iraq, and that would be a bad thing. It is for the best that we stay awhile, help guide these people in setting up a government that respects the rights of ALL citizens and protects their right to certain basic freedoms such as Speech, trade, religion and so forth. The people of Iraq do not have a history of knowing these ideas, my friend; they NEED help to break their pattern whether they know it or not.
Jason
Sorry but another Saddam-style dictator will not get into power in Iraq unless he/she has CIA and U.S. corp backing, finical, military aid like Saddam received. As far as guiding ( more like controlling ) these people so that they can setup their own government. What you really are saying is that you want to impose what you think is the correct form of government for them and not allow them to choose their own destiny. Rather then treating Iraqi's like adults and allowing them to create their own future and make their own mistakes. It would be better to treat them like children and control their future after we spilt their milk for them in the past.
This is almost the same mind-set with Affirmative Action liberal supporters you see displaying here in the States. You think you know what's best for everyone else but in reality it's just a form of control and a way of saying that these people are not A.) Smart enough, B.) Strong enough and C.) Brave enough to determine their own future.
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
"Because of the real and psychological impact of a curtailment in the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf on the international economic system, we must assure our readiness to deal promptly with actions aimed at disrupting that traffic."
Forget that little word?
Certainly Bush I had at least a measure of the oil flow in mind during the Persian Gul war when Saddam invaded Kuwait and seized their country and oil reserves. Fair enough. But in case you didn't notice, that didn't happen this time. We went in not on any basis of oil but on the (potentially bogus, but who the hell knows for sure?) notion of WMD and the REAL notion of removing a brutal dictator from power, to the benefit of the Iraqi people and their children. THAT is the important issue at stake here. Why didn't we liberate them in 1991? Because the UN, so-called defender of "Human Rights" (whatever the hell they decide those are this week) told Bush I NOT to remove Saddam and the FOOL listened to them.
Jason
Originally posted by: Bigdude
All of you that don't want to fight for oil, quit driving you're cars!
Fight for oil? You mean having others fight so you can have cheap gas?Originally posted by: Bigdude
All of you that don't want to fight for oil, quit driving you're cars!
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.
actually, my military buddies that are currently stationed in Iraq say the people there love them [especially the kids, because the troops share snickers candy bars with the kids]. quite a few of my friends that have already come back tell me stories about how the Iraqis thanked them profusely for their efforts and never expressed any anger, resesntment, or bitterness towords the soldiers or the administration.
The same bastards that were dancing in the streets after 9/11.Originally posted by: Genesys
actually, my military buddies that are currently stationed in Iraq say the people there love them [especially the kids, because the troops share snickers candy bars with the kids]. quite a few of my friends that have already come back tell me stories about how the Iraqis thanked them profusely for their efforts and never expressed any anger, resesntment, or bitterness towords the soldiers or the administration.Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The same bastards that were dancing in the streets after 9/11.Originally posted by: Genesys
actually, my military buddies that are currently stationed in Iraq say the people there love them [especially the kids, because the troops share snickers candy bars with the kids]. quite a few of my friends that have already come back tell me stories about how the Iraqis thanked them profusely for their efforts and never expressed any anger, resesntment, or bitterness towords the soldiers or the administration.Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
The war in Iraq wasn't about oil (well, unless you were from France, in which case it was, "Please don't help the Iraqi's get out from under Saddam, we're making a killing off their suffering!) and those who think it was are too simple minded and unethical to care that millions suffered and died under a brutal dictator for more than 20 years.
Sickening.
Jason
and now those Iraqi's want us to leave now so they can control their own future and not have it appointed or dictated by U.S. corp's or Bush and he's friends in the white house. We got Saddam and Bush's daddy has been avenge let's move on out and bring out troops home. Remember there are no WMD's so there is no reason to stay.