New DMCA bill

[Linflas]

Instead of griping about this here everyone that is really concerned about this needs to make sure and let their representatives know how they feel. This will likely not get much media coverage since they are all owned by the same companies that stand to benefit from this legislation.

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[Injury]

I'm not a big advocate of piracy, but this is a bunch of crap.

Yes, let's fill prisons that are already overcrowded with people who sat behind a computer and stole music. What a load of crap.

You want a real punishment? Give them the Kevin Mitnick treatment. If they touch a computer for 3 years, THEN they must pay restitution for all pirated music/movies, their wages WILL be garnished until the amount is paid in full with intrest from the first date that they've been known to have been in possession of the material. This, on top of intense community service and whatever else a judge can think of as punishment that doesn't require wasting taxpayer resources.

As far as the wiretapping and aparent spying, I think warrants should only be issued for persons suspected of stealing more than, say, $25,000 of material or profiting from the theft. Stealing music is one thing, but selling it is downright evil and if you do that, I hope you f'ing die a horrible death.

 

[PingSpike]

I try not to read the news anymore because it just makes me want to move to Canada. I'm not a huge fan of socialism...but it sure beats the hell out of fascism coupled with half-assed socialism.

 

[archcommus]

The wiretapping stuff is awful, ever since that became a big thing with the Bush administration I'm really starting to doubt this government of ours. Hell, two states have already proposed to impeach Bush, heh.

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Kiss our freedoms goodbye...

your freedom to pirate stuff?

"pirate stuff" would be riding around on a boat with an eye-patch, musket, and peg leg and attacking other ships to steal their cargo.

Copying music files is only illegal because of made-up laws.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: archcommus
The wiretapping stuff is awful, ever since that became a big thing with the Bush administration I'm really starting to doubt this government of ours. Hell, two states have already proposed to impeach Bush, heh.

Yeah, but if they keep the population afraid of something...people will gladly hand their freedoms over bit by bit. Or at least thats how it seems.

 

[Brutuskend]

If you copy Craig David's CD you get ten years, but if you punch him in the face and pummel him into a seven day coma you will only get six. You are more likely to get the respect of the prison population with your six year sentence as well.

Disturbing...

 

[Injury]

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
Kiss our freedoms goodbye...

your freedom to pirate stuff?

"pirate stuff" would be riding around on a boat with an eye-patch, musket, and peg leg and attacking other ships to steal their cargo.

Copying music files is only illegal because of made-up laws.

So copywrite laws are just "made-up laws"?

Don't try and justify piracy with the claim that the laws are crap.

 

[archcommus]

Obviously downloading music and software for free cannot be made legal. Then no one would make the stuff anymore and no one would buy it. BUT, if they're so concerned with piracy, they should figure out ways to prevent it, NOT make up fvcking ridiculous laws with prison times equivalent to someone who robs a bank at gun point.

 

[Kaervak]

Look ma, more government backed stupidity:
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.html

Congrats to our current administration for being completely and utterly worthless. And special thanks goes to the Clinton administration for signing the DMCA into law in the first place. Thanks a lot Bill Jeff, you asshole. I love this country, but our goverment is it's biggest threat to it's safety and well being. And now I'm a terrorist. :roll:

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: Injury
So copywrite laws are just "made-up laws"?

Don't try and justify piracy with the claim that the laws are crap.

With the current state of our copyright laws, yes they are bullsh!t. The idea of copyright isn't though. Disney is the biggest reason our copyright laws are so draconian. This new law is completely absurd. If someone gets caught downloading a song, with a market value of $0.99 from iTunes, that is punishable by up to 10 years in a prison. How the hell is that a valid punishment to the crime? Show me any other existing law where the value of theft is $0.99 and it gets you a potential 10 years in prison. I'm all for artists getting compensated for their works, but this is absurd.

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: archcommus
Obviously downloading music and software for free cannot be made legal. Then no one would make the stuff anymore and no one would buy it.

That's not entirely true, take a look at all the creative commons stuff. Music, podcasts, vidcasts and a lot of them are free to download and keep for as short or long as you like. They give away their content on a routine basis and continually make new stuff. They get their money from advertising and donations from the audience. Make a good enough product, give it away for free and still make money on it. Granted, not all creative commons stuff is making money, but the people behind it "get it" and understand the potential. <Lame pop culture reference> If you build it, they will come. </Lame pop culture reference>

 

[CVSiN]

LOL its safer to just shoplift the CD now.. at least thats just a 100$ ticket if you get caught =P

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

This is what I call over the top legislation... and is way too extreme.

Why does it not surprise me the Bush administration is behind all this crap?

Wire tapping? I can see it now, another excuse to invade the publics privacy... go in and listen in on your average Americans daily life... looking for something bad. :roll:

Facism at its best folks...

Keep on looking away, and letting your rights slip away over things that are trivial like this.

I could understand if they wanted to pass laws against pirating, and create fines, and maybe some small jailtime. But for the most part, who are the perpetrators? are they big corporate money makers, mafia like organizations? They need to re-evalute and make the level of punishment equal to the crime committed. I do not agree with federal wire tapping unless they have some very very strict guidelines for its use, and it is approved by a judge. It should only be used if they feel there is some type of organized crime involved.

I just don't know but I see more and more of this flagrant disregard for the public and their rights to privacy, under the guise of enforcing law and crime and punishment. It is all too easy to justify their actions in government and law enforcement these days....

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Originally posted by: Kaervak
Look ma, more government backed stupidity:
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/02/un_cooking_podcastki.html

Congrats to our current administration for being completely and utterly worthless. And special thanks goes to the Clinton administration for signing the DMCA into law in the first place. Thanks a lot Bill Jeff, you asshole. I love this country, but our goverment is it's biggest threat to it's safety and well being. And now I'm a terrorist. :roll:

LOL, I agree I guess WE THE PEOPLE have only ourselves to blame, eh?

 

[Kaervak]

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
LOL, I agree I guess WE THE PEOPLE have only ourselves to blame, eh?

To an extent, yes. We did elect these people to office, however (to the best of my knowledge) we're not the ones making thousands of dollars of bribes disguised as campaign contributions from Political Action Comitties to get legislation pushed into law. Regardless, it is our fault and we need to wise up and vote these people out of office.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: Sphexi
Stuff like this makes me happy I'm leaving.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Kaervak

Originally posted by: ValkyrieofHouston
LOL, I agree I guess WE THE PEOPLE have only ourselves to blame, eh?

To an extent, yes. We did elect these people to office, however (to the best of my knowledge) we're not the ones making thousands of dollars of bribes disguised as campaign contributions from Political Action Comitties to get legislation pushed into law. Regardless, it is our fault and we need to wise up and vote these people out of office.

almost half the voting population admitted fault and tried to rectify the situation back in 2004. didnt do jack

 

[ValkyrieofHouston]

Yeppers, once these friggin laws are enacted really hard to get them changed.... geesh you know all I can think about is that damned movie "V" for Vendetta... where all the people (families) were in their homes doing their daily stuff and the undercover police were staked out all over the towns in white vans with their wire tapping lines, and such listening in on all the different homes just waiting to catch someone saying something or doing something that might be deemed illegal or give them cause to barge in their homes for search and seizure!

 

[ryan256]

Even worse, the bill would expand section 1201 of the DMCA that bars trafficking in or distributing software capable of bypassing DRM systems to make it a crime to ?make, import, export, obtain control of, or possess? such software.

Here's the part that totally pisses me off. How many computer programs are there with perfectly legitimate uses that can potentially bypass copy protection?? Thousands! I have a program that allows me to record live web casts. That would be outlawed. Daemon tools which is used by millions to access ISO images without having to burn them to media first would become outlawed.
Next thing is how many students and professors have found themselves in court after uncovering a flaw in some kind of DRM software. Next thing is they are going to outlaw the study of encryption!