New Dinosaur Find

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New Dino Find
New dino find
By MALCOLM RITTER - Associated Press

Scientists have caught a dinosaur in the act of evolving from meat-eater to vegetarian.

The two-legged, feathered creature ate plants, but its bones show that the transition from its carnivorous ancestors was still in progress.

All plant-eating dinosaurs were ultimately descended from a meat-eater, and switchovers to plant-eating occurred several times. The newly discovered species, which lived 125 million years ago in what is now Utah, could help scientists understand details of how the changeovers took place.

It?s ?our first really good case of a dinosaur in the midst of shifting from the meat-eating body to a plant-eating one,? said an expert not involved in the discovery, Thomas R. Holtz Jr. of the University of Maryland.

?It?s definitely eating a substantial amount of plants, (but) we still see the original imprint of meat-eating upon it.?

The creature, with 5-inch claws on its outsized hands, measured some 12 feet from its snout to the tip of its long skinny tail. It stood just over 3 feet tall at the hip and could apparently reach about five feet off the ground with its long neck to munch leaves or fruit, said Utah state paleontologist James Kirkland.

He describes the creature in Thursday?s issue of the British journal Nature with Lindsay Zanno and Scott Sampson of the Utah Museum of Natural History at the University of Utah, among others.

They dubbed it Falcarius utahensis. Bones from hundreds or maybe thousands of these dinosaurs were discovered at a two-acre dig site in east-central Utah, south of the town of Green River. Nobody knows why they gathered there or what killed them, Kirkland said.

But analysis revealed that Falcarius was the earliest known member of a bizarre-looking group of plant-eaters called therizinosaurs (pronounced THAY-rih-ZY-no-sores.) Found mostly in Asia, the barrel-bodied creatures waddled upright like Godzilla or ?a pot-bellied bear,? Kirkland said.

Falcarius, very early in its evolution into the therizinosaur body type, retained the rather horizontal posture and built-for-speed legs of its meat-eating ancestors. But it had already lost the flattened and serrated teeth used to tear meat and acquired the smaller, more densely packed teeth of a vegetarian, Zanno said.

It also showed some change toward the larger gut needed to digest plant material rather than meat, as well as a lengthened neck and smaller head associated with eating plants, she said.

Holtz said Falcarius still had fairly slender proportions overall rather than the barrel body of later therizinosaurs. ?This one could probably move fairly quickly,? he said, whereas its more evolved relatives ?would have had problems hunting things faster than a tree.?

Kirkland and Zanno said they suspect Falcarius probably ate some meat in addition to plants.

?I wouldn?t doubt this thing would eat a lizard or two in a pinch,? Kirkland said.

Interesting to see dinosaurs naturally transition to vegetarianism just as humans are. This find is a nice change of pace with all the gay threads flying around these days.
We find more about these creatures everyday, congrats to the scientists who made this discovery.
 

Tab

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Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)
 

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)
Sorry, but jesus wasn't around in the days of the dinosaurs...neither were adam and (st)eve :p
hehe ;)
 

conjur

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Switching from meat-eater to plant-eater and sprouting feathers, too? Quite the find!
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)

but raildogg, how does this work with the religious mantra of "there's no evolution", yet this is a prime fvcking example of it.
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: conjur
Switching from meat-eater to plant-eater and sprouting feathers, too? Quite the find!
They are finding many dinosaurs had feathers...

Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)
Not intended as a flame, but what is the religious view on these creatures? (Christians that is)
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: conjur
Switching from meat-eater to plant-eater and sprouting feathers, too? Quite the find!
They are finding many dinosaurs had feathers...

Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)
Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)
Not intended as a flame, but what is the religious view on these creatures? (Christians that is)
Most Christians understand evolution is a fact. They look at it as the method God used to create and mold life on earth. Most Christians understand the Bible is not meant to be taken literally (Methusaleh didn't live to be 900+ years old, etc.)

Heck, Darwin, himself, was actually believed in the Bible literally until he started his work.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Heh - at least give credit where it's due.

Daily Show FTW!
 

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Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)

but raildogg, how does this work with the religious mantra of "there's no evolution", yet this is a prime fvcking example of it.

maybe he liked salad with his steak.

 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)

Religion sucks? Maybe thats why I take jabs with at it.
 

Tab

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Since god could do *anything* why didn't he make Noah put the dinosaurs on the Ark?
 

slurmsmackenzie

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Since god could do *anything* why didn't he make Noah put the dinosaurs on the Ark?


large, migrating dinosaurs paved the way for the animals of today. low lying vegitation, grass, flowers, plains....

thank you dino overlords!
 

CaptnKirk

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large, migrating dinosaurs paved the way for the animals of today. low lying vegitation, grass, flowers, plains....

thank you dino overlords!


Actually they became the pavement . . . and the fuel that todays SUV bemouths comsume . .

Thank you Sinclair & Fina !
 

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Not intended as a flame, but what is the religious view on these creatures? (Christians that is)

conjur hit it I think.

It's also interesting to see what other religions thought of it. Some of the weird creatures in Greek mythology are believed to be based on dinosaur remains that can be found in the region. To them it was proof that the legends/tales were true.

And I think dragons were based of it too.
 

conjur

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Dragon comes from drakon, Greek for serpent, I believe. So, could be related to finds of dinosaurs or something.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
but raildogg, how does this work with the religious mantra of "there's no evolution", yet this is a prime fvcking example of it.

Religion and science do not always go together. They are completely different things. Science and religion cannot fuse together. Religion is based upon faith and the religious people of this world realize that. Noone can deny that dinosaurs did exist

Originally posted by: Stunt
Not intended as a flame, but what is the religious view on these creatures? (Christians that is)

You must realize that the Bible is based upon faith and does not always have things that are based upon the absolute reality. People will faith will understand this concept.

Originally posted by: Tabb
Religion sucks? Maybe thats why I take jabs with at it.

Atheism sucks? :disgust:

Not the brightest argument against religion I've ever seen, but oh well. What can you expect from these forums?
 

magomago

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
but raildogg, how does this work with the religious mantra of "there's no evolution", yet this is a prime fvcking example of it.

Religion and science do not always go together. They are completely different things. Science and religion cannot fuse together. Religion is based upon faith and the religious people of this world realize that. Noone can deny that dinosaurs did exist

Maybe in your world. People who assume that science's role is usurp religion and create a world of aethists either don't know much about religion, science, or both.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom
but raildogg, how does this work with the religious mantra of "there's no evolution", yet this is a prime fvcking example of it.

Religion and science do not always go together. They are completely different things. Science and religion cannot fuse together. Religion is based upon faith and the religious people of this world realize that. Noone can deny that dinosaurs did exist

Maybe in your world. People who assume that science's role is usurp religion and create a world of aethists either don't know much about religion, science, or both.

Maybe in my world? Maybe you didn't compehend my post. Science and religion are different. Science is experimental and descriptive and relies on discipline. Religion is a belief in a higher power. Science does not want to create a world of athiests, and it cannot. However the athiests out there totally deride religion while claiming science only belongs to them.

Science and religion should not and can not mix. Its two totally different worlds.
 

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Tabb
Some of the religious folk see "dinosaurs" as a offensive term. Let's call them "Jesus Horses" instead okay. :)

Can you STFU about your religion bashing already? Take your atheist beliefs and be happy with them, noone cares. This is a news story about dinosaurs, why take jabs at religion?

Heh, nice to find godzilla. :)
edit: Reply deleted, argument too easy.