New details leak of Apple's e-book price fixing scandal: They were the ringleader ...

Phokus

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... and threatened a publisher into joining the price fixing scheme by threatening to block an app if they didn't join. Pretty despicable behavior.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/t...-book-price-fixing.html?_r=0&pagewanted=print


WASHINGTON — The e-mail, from Steve Jobs of Apple to James Murdoch of News Corporation, reads as if one old sport were trying to cajole another into joining a caper: “Throw in with Apple and see if we can all make a go of this to create a real mainstream e-books market at $12.99 and $14.99.”

According to the Justice Department, that e-mail is part of the evidence that Apple was the “ringmaster” in a price-fixing conspiracy in the market for e-books, a more direct leadership role than originally portrayed in the department’s April 2012 antitrust lawsuit against Apple and five publishing companies.


In its suit, the government said that Apple and the publishers conspired to fix e-book prices as part of a scheme to force Amazon to raise its e-book price from a uniform $9.99 to the higher level noted by Mr. Jobs in the e-mail, which publishers wanted. That, the department said, resulted in higher prices to consumers and ill-gotten profits for Apple and its partners.

The e-mail was released on Tuesday as part of the government’s filing before the trial in the case, set to begin on June 3 in New York.

Two days after Mr. Jobs’s e-mail to Mr. Murdoch, HarperCollins, the publishing company owned by News Corporation, signed an agreement with Apple to force all sellers of electronic books to adopt the new pricing model, the government said.

Apple is the only defendant left in the lawsuit after five publishing companies — Hachette, HarperCollins, Macmillan, Penguin and Simon & Schuster — agreed last year and earlier this year to settle the charges.

Tom Neumayr, a spokesman for Apple, said the company did not conspire to fix prices on e-books.

“We helped transform the e-book market with the introduction of the iBookstore in 2010, bringing consumers an expanded selection of e-books and delivering innovative new features,” Mr. Neumayr said. “The market has been thriving and innovating since Apple’s entry, and we look forward to going to trial to defend ourselves and move forward.”

The Justice Department’s latest filings in the case also paint a picture of an Apple willing to use its power in mobile apps to strong-arm reluctant partners. That is especially evident in the accusations the department makes about Apple’s dealings with Random House, the last major publisher to resist striking an e-books deal with Apple.

In July 2010, Mr. Jobs, Apple’s former chief executive, told the chief executive of Random House, Markus Dohle, that the publisher would suffer a loss of support from Apple if it held out much longer, according to an account of the conversation provided by Mr. Dohle in the filing. Two months later, Apple threatened to block an e-book application by Random House from appearing in Apple’s App Store because it had not agreed to a deal with Apple, the filing said.

After Random House finally agreed to a contract on Jan. 18, 2011, Eddy Cue, the Apple executive in charge of its e-books deals, sent an e-mail to Mr. Jobs attributing the publisher’s capitulation, in part, to “the fact that I prevented an app from Random House from going live in the app store,” the filing reads.


The newly released documents also quote David Shanks, chief executive of Penguin, as saying that Apple was the “facilitator and go-between” for the publishing companies in arranging the agreement.

And the documents quote Mr. Dohle as saying that an Apple executive counseled him that the publishing company could threaten to withhold e-books from Amazon to force Amazon to accept the higher prices. Random House was not named as a defendant in the lawsuit.

The price-fixing suit charges that Apple advised publishers to move from a wholesale pricing model, which let retailers charge what they wanted, to a system that allowed publishers to set their own e-book prices, a model known as agency pricing.

The publishers said Amazon was pricing e-books below their actual cost, putting financial pressure on the publishers that they said would drive them out of business. The dispute underscored the extent to which competition from digital retailers like Amazon was transforming the traditional book industry.

Three of the publishers, HarperCollins, Simon & Schuster and Hachette, settled with the government immediately. Penguin, Macmillan and Apple originally decided to fight the charges. But in December, to clear the way for its merger with Random House, Penguin settled, followed by Macmillan in February.

The settlements call for the publishers to lift restrictions imposed on discounting and other promotions by e-book retailers. The companies are also prohibited from entering into new agreements with similar restrictions until December 2014.

The publishers must also notify the government in advance about any e-book ventures they plan with each other, and they are prohibited for five years from agreeing to any kind of so-called most-favored-nation clause with any retailer, which establishes that no other retailer is allowed to sell e-books for a lower price.

I'm so glad the government went after these scumbags.
 
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lxskllr

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and people will happily lap up their shit, and accept abusive behavior because... Well, I don't know why. They make pretty devices, but are people really that shallow that they'll take abuse for trendy, pretty devices?


:^D


That was kind of a rhetorical question. Of course I know they do. Getting them to admit it is another matter though :^D
 

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No different than any other company (as much as I love Apple). I just read a totally awesome article that puts "Catch Me if you Can" to shame - the one on Wired about the $500 million Google sting:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/google-pharma-whitaker-sting/all/

Kinda creeps me out that #1 there are people doing terrible things like he did (selling water as steroids, or vegetable oil & protein powder as HGH etc.) and #2 that these schemes are so huge & sometimes the government is involved while it's going on to see it through & crush it. Yikes!
 

PokerGuy

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Sounds like Apple was indeed behind that illegal activity and that they essentially blackmailed companies into joining their scheme by threatening to withhold access to the app store for their apps. Hopefully they get nailed for it -- no slap on the wrist either.
 

nehalem256

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I don't really understand Apple would do this.

I always thought that Apple made most of their money off hardware sales, not itunes/app-store purchases?

It would seem to me that their business model would be more like wanting to lower the price of ebooks to drive ipad sales.
 

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I don't really understand Apple would do this.

I always thought that Apple made most of their money off hardware sales, not itunes/app-store purchases?

It would seem to me that their business model would be more like wanting to lower the price of ebooks to drive ipad sales.

My quick take.

Amazon works on razor thin margins. Apple didn't want to engage in that arena, despite possible ipad sale increases, so they devised a way to price fix to gain market share in ebooks while maintaining margins they wanted. In this scenario the upsetting part is that apple was already making incredible record profits.
 

Balt

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Hope they get nailed. I didn't buy a Kindle last year because I wanted to pay more than the price of a paperback for the same book.
 

SheHateMe

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I have never used or purchased an Apple product and I don't plan to in the future.
 

First

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This is the most obvious form of price fixing and collision, something you learn in an introductory economics course and, frankly, I'm surprised Jobs was so daft as to think he'd get away with it.
 

zsdersw

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If this becomes a big black-eye for Apple, Jobs' death is probably a blessing for them. A very public shaming of "Jesus" Jobs would not have been pretty. If it happens to Tim Cook, eh, it just wouldn't have the impact.

In every other tangible sense, the post-Jobs Apple has been anything but an innovator.
 
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Atreus21

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This is the most obvious form of price fixing and collision, something you learn in an introductory economics course and, frankly, I'm surprised Jobs was so daft as to think he'd get away with it.

That's "collusion" dude. Jeez.
 

waggy

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This is the most obvious form of price fixing and collision, something you learn in an introductory economics course and, frankly, I'm surprised Jobs was so daft as to think he'd get away with it.

why would you? considering Apples past of stealing everything they can. now putting out questionable lawsuits regarding "patients"?

apple has been a company that charges a premium for hardware and software.

does it really surprise anyone that they would continue that behavior in ebooks?
 

nehalem256

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Hope they get nailed. I didn't buy a Kindle last year because I wanted to pay more than the price of a paperback for the same book.

I think I have seen that an I was like

o_O o_O o_O

You don't have to ship it to me or produce a physical medium... how can it possibly be more expensive????:confused:
 

waggy

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I think I have seen that an I was like

o_O o_O o_O

You don't have to ship it to me or produce a physical medium... how can it possibly be more expensive????:confused:

I never understood that either. why are Ebooks still $16+ a year latter? when a paperback is $7?

though if you look enough and wait you can get ebooks cheap. My daughter has a kindle but we still end up buying her more paperbacks then ebooks.
 

Linux23

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Don't hate on Apple. They make the best products ever and have more innovation than any other company in the past 100 years.
 

TerryMathews

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Don't hate on Apple. They make the best products ever and have more innovation than any other company in the past 100 years.

Woz was the innovator. Jobs was an egotistical self centered artist who happened to run a computer company.

This should put to bed once and for all the notion that Apple is lilly white and Samsung is the evil corporation. Of course, those within the reality distortion field will remain unaffected.
 
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Mixolydian

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Sounds like Apple was indeed behind that illegal activity and that they essentially blackmailed companies into joining their scheme by threatening to withhold access to the app store for their apps. Hopefully they get nailed for it -- no slap on the wrist either.

You mean like Microsoft? Oh wait...

I bet all the idiots who say "ZOMG APPLE IS EVIL!" are happily using Windows...
 

Vdubchaos

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This doesn't apply to Apple.

ANY Corporation will do as much as they can get away with. And when they do get caught they get a slap on the wrist AT BEST.

There is NOTHING stopping them!!!