New CPU.... 1700+ P4. 2.4 2400+ What would you do?

[Brackus]

Hey there everyone,

Just had a question about what anyone would do with this:

512mb pc2700
some cheap kt333 motherboard
geforce4ti4200,

And being someone wanting a new case and who can overclock a little....

What would you do?

Would you buy a athlon 1700+ ??? 2400+ ??? or a pentium 2.2 or 2.4 from somewhere?

Keep in mind, I am canadian, and my main store of purchase would be www.canadacomputers.com ....
I dont know, I wont be upgrading for a while on most parts... so to take advantage of all, but being on a budget whatwould you do?

 

[McArra]

Try the barton 2500XP. It´s great performer for the money, and easy to overclock (at leat with NForce 2 boards).

 

[Corporate Thug]

i'd get the 1700+ if i was assured it would be a b-core. great price/performance ratio

 

[jose]

I'd get a P4 - 2.6C w/ a p4p800

But just read Anand's article "The real slim shady"

Check the performance of all the processors listed.

Regards,
Jose

 

[deadseasquirrel]

if i'm reading you right, you're saying you already have the kt333, pc2700, and gf4, right?

if so, scratch the idea of a p4.

and, depending on how cheap the kt333 mobo is, it might not be compatible with the barton, according to the manufacturer. what board is it, btw? epox has stated that barton is not compatible with the 8k5a2, yet some are running it with no problems.

so, that leaves tbreds. the best bang for the buck would be the 1700+ tbred B (just be careful because some As have been surfacing lately). it's only $40USD. your ram would be fine.

i pretty much have the EXACT same setup:

epox 8k5a2 kt333
samsung 512mb pc2700
gainward gf4 ti4200 128mb
xp1700+ tbred B

everything overclocks pretty well (ram is running at spd). gf4 @ 315/585. 1700+ @ 166x12.5. (boots as a 2600+ at default 1.6v). 3dmark01 scores 12,400. but i'm sure it will begin to show its age and limitations when doom3 and hl2 hit the shelves.

deadseasquirrel

edit: forgot to mention that you would want a good cpu cooler such as an SK-7 (available for $15USD) and a YS tech adjustable fan to get the most out of overclocking it. cases depend greatly on personal tastes, but i'm fond of antec.

 

[Brackus]

Hey,

The reason I didnt specify the board is because I dont have it yet, I have to make that purchase yet, as well as the ram and the cpu... and case!

Right now I am using a Volcano9, and I will most likely be using that or the regualr cooling that comes with the cpu, with this new information, what do you think would be the most likely solution, im still leaning towards a 2400+ or 1700+....

Thanks,

Dustin

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Brackus
The reason I didnt specify the board is because I dont have it yet, I have to make that purchase yet, as well as the ram and the cpu... and case!

Right now I am using a Volcano9, and I will most likely be using that or the regualr cooling that comes with the cpu, with this new information, what do you think would be the most likely solution, im still leaning towards a 2400+ or 1700+....

based on that, scratch what i said. i thought you already had those pieces. since you don't have those.... my advice is don't get those. too limiting. get an nforce2 mobo instead of a kt333. not much more expensive and will allow more future upgrades. same goes for pc2700. no reason to buy that new. get something that would easily support 200fsb.

it sounds like you are pretty much building an entirely new rig. it would help to know your budget and how you plan to use it (as well as what you mean by "I wont be upgrading for a while"... just how long is a "while").

many have been overclocking their Barton 2500+s using the stock cooling with great success.

deadseasquirrel

 

[Brackus]

okay sure...

as for my budget, it is basically spend as little as possible, i wanna split my current system into two rigs...

If I can make two computers out of what I already have, for about 3-4 hundred canadian that would be great...
Anything more than that, forget it, remember that is canadian funds and I cannot shop at newegg... motherboard for under 110 is ideal, I dont know what the big deal is with the nforce2... someone wanna fill me in? processor $125 or under... leaves about 80-90 for ram... then whatever for the case and psu...

but ive had bad luck with this one (using hte term bad littly)

Anyway, like I said, no upgrading for a while would likely be up to 2 years, or basically until I cannot play the top games on my computer at all (and they arent available on the xbox).

The exact parts im transferring are: geforce4 ti 4200
40 gig hd, 7200 rpm
17 inch monitor
cd rw...

The new system im building is based on my vid card, I figure I can easily play doom3 and halflife2 at 800x600... if not, then I dont even wanna play these games... But yeah, my cpu freezes constantly if I dont have my case open, and im using a volcano 9 with arctic silver and tis running at a 1.1 and its a 1.2 ghz athlon. So yeah, that sucks... and I need a new computer, like the damn thing freezes in the opening screen of warcraft 3...

Anyway, I guess with all this complete info, you guys have a solution now?

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Brackus
as for my budget, it is basically spend as little as possible... for about 3-4 hundred canadian that would be great... no upgrading for a while would likely be up to 2 years, or basically until I cannot play the top games on my computer at all

hmmm. no upgrading for about 2 years, spend next-to-nothing, but be able to play all the latest games. no pressure there couple of choices:

1) Barton 2500+ for $132
epox 8rda $163
512mb pc3200 $121
case w/ a *good* PSU $100
total-- $516 cad from canadacomputers (might be able to shop around for better prices)
slap it all together, set that Barton to 200fsb x 11 (2200mhz) and cross your fingers that it will be fine with the stock hsf or use your volcano9.

it's over budget, but, jeez, gimme something to work with! at least it has some long-term legs.

2) XP 1700+ $79
epox 8k5a2 $129
512mb pc2700 $102
case w/ a good psu $100
total-- $410 cad from same place.
hopefully, you get a Tbred B and can run 166x12.5 or higher (2075mhz). stock cooling aint gonna get you there though, so the volcano will be needed or better. that canadacomputers place has some crappy hsf for selection.

it's closer to budget, but, in my opinion, doesn't have the legs of #1. you might be able to cheap out on the case some, just don't cheap out on the PSU unless you're looking for more trouble.

a last alternative is #3. FS/FT forums. you should be able to find someone you can trade with up there, eh. you might be able to pick up #1 at the price point of #2. either way, if you're a gamer that likes to keep up with the games, 2 years is a looooong way away. the good thing about choice #1 is that you could upgrade bits and pieces along the way and keep up for the most part.

deadseasquirrel

 

[railer]

Good lord squirrel, I hope those are Can dollars....

My refurbed 1700 was $30 shipped (and it's a B!)
My 7vaxp (kt400) was like $60 shipped
Get yourself some FAR memory and a cheap ass case for $30 shipped, and you're looking at a decent system for not much over $100. That's what I'd do....

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: railer
Good lord squirrel, I hope those are Can dollars....

yep, all canadian. the original poster mentioned he'd be buying everything from canadacomputers.com, so i quoted everything directly from there. i have no idea what the retail or online shopping situation is for canadians, so i gave no alternatives. but i'm sure many exist.

 

[Brackus]

Ok, thanks alot man you put alot of work into helping me there...

I like the option of the 1700+ system... but i gotta get a B basically....
I think my friend can hook that up so Idont think it will be a problem...

My main problem iwth the first option is the price ofthe motherboard, I dont see why you cant grab a cheaper one? unles those for Barton processors are different???

And when i said play games for the next two years I meant that loosely, I know i am lacking a certain directx 9 even now...

Ijust mostly play blizzard games, and some other good games that come out, and like I said, I dont care if I gotta play em at 800x600

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: Brackus
My main problem iwth the first option is the price ofthe motherboard, I dont see why you cant grab a cheaper one? unles those for Barton processors are different???

i quoted pretty much the lowest price Nforce2 mobo out there. There are a lot to choose from, but that Epox is the cheapest that I have seen in the US. There are other options besides Nforce2, but even the KT333 and KT400 from VIA are the same price or higher than that Nforce2 and don't have as many extras. You can get that board in the states for $115canadian. Shop around up there, or find a place down here that will ship to you.

Or, even better, find someone to trade with. That's your best best to find things for cheap. Check out the FS/FT forums and look for some good deals and piece a system together from that.

If you find a 1700+ TbredB, an Nforce2 mobo (or a KT333/KT400 if it's a lot cheaper), and some pc3200 (or pc2700 if it's a lot cheaper) ram, stuff it all into a decent case with a good PSU and you'll be flying fast for a while. Like railer said, you might be able to piece it together from used/refurbished stuff for around $200canadian. Yer just gonna havta branch out from that canadacomputers.com.

deadseaquirrel