New Cop Car
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I am just trying to figure out how they can manufacture, distribute, and service a sole purpose car in a cost effective way. More power to them if they can.
Who is supplying the engine?
How available are the spare parts for the car going to be?
Who is supplying the engine?
How available are the spare parts for the car going to be?
slugg
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They had a huge presentation of this car by my university at the Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI). I asked a lot of questions, including RU482's, but all the guys seemed to have a hard time differentiating between their ass and their head.
All of the Carbon Motor Corporation representatives were total jerks. They practically ignored any questions anyone had. The car was there and open for anyone to touch, sit inside, etc, but they got really angry if you actually opened the doors, windows, etc.
That being said, the car looks and feels like a piece of plastic. Everything is flimsy and it generally feels like a toy. I'll be damned if my tax dollars pay for that crap. I see no reason for a police officer to drive that thing.
All of the Carbon Motor Corporation representatives were total jerks. They practically ignored any questions anyone had. The car was there and open for anyone to touch, sit inside, etc, but they got really angry if you actually opened the doors, windows, etc.
That being said, the car looks and feels like a piece of plastic. Everything is flimsy and it generally feels like a toy. I'll be damned if my tax dollars pay for that crap. I see no reason for a police officer to drive that thing.
Zenmervolt
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This is exactly where my mind went. Also, how upgradable are the car's computers and other devices given that they are integrated. What's the cost estimate for retrofitting cars when a department upgrades its computer systems? Have they taken into account the fact that these vehicles cannot effectively be re-sold when they are retired into their cost calculations? How about the fact that you are forced to purchase new computer systems with every new vehicle because you cannot effectively transfer the computers, sirens, and lights to another vehicle?
ZV
MovingTarget
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Seems they would still run into the same issues that the big 3 do in making a police vehicle. Volume brings prices down, but even Chevrolet had to discontinue the Caprice due to fuel economy standards. It just wasn't cost effective enough to continue to build it just for that sole purpose. Heck, the last gen Caprice with the 5.7l v8 was one of the best, if not the best, police car ever built. I choose to be skeptical.
ViviTheMage
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Bignate603
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I just have trouble believing that a purpose built police car from a company that only makes police cars will have the volume to make this economically feasible. It's not like any of the larger companies that have tons of models to base it off of and tons of parts available to grab from other vehicles.
thescreensavers
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Maybe with the american car companies wounded now they won't have the power to harass startups like the tucker. There has to be a few people out there who genuinely like to make cars and aren't only in it for the bottom line dollar.
I don't know if carbon motors is one of these.
I don't know if carbon motors is one of these.
Dr. Detroit
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Sure looks like a Chrysler 300 to me.
The Diesel engine would appaer to be the MBZ Bluetec 3.0L engine but in current form it only produces 208HP & 338TQ.
Would make sense if they are sourcing the frame from Chrysler.
The Diesel engine would appaer to be the MBZ Bluetec 3.0L engine but in current form it only produces 208HP & 338TQ.
Would make sense if they are sourcing the frame from Chrysler.
MovingTarget
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Heh, my grandfather used to tell me about those. They discussed a number of innovations the Tucker had in his mechanical engineering courses...
They put the bluetec diesel into a police car? The specs don't even match....its short like 100hp. But its the only Chrysler diesel that comes close...so maybe some aftermarket turbos. 250k service life is optimistic.
Interesting concept, with the integrated light bars, rear opening doors, the joystick controlled spotlights, push bars built into the frame, voice activation, etc. It really is a purpose built police car. It is also a very expensive 40-50k car that few departments can afford. Those fancy LEDs won't survive damage from just wear and tear, none of the parts are interchangeable or easily upgradeable. And I doubt all the electronics will be reliable either....damn thing is like a BMW 7 series without a warranty.
Interesting concept, with the integrated light bars, rear opening doors, the joystick controlled spotlights, push bars built into the frame, voice activation, etc. It really is a purpose built police car. It is also a very expensive 40-50k car that few departments can afford. Those fancy LEDs won't survive damage from just wear and tear, none of the parts are interchangeable or easily upgradeable. And I doubt all the electronics will be reliable either....damn thing is like a BMW 7 series without a warranty.
StageLeft
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Looks like a 300.
Main concerns will be: Cost, durability (they can say 250k , but what is reality) and maintenance--where can this be repaired? Police departments like dependable vehicles that can be easily repaired and worked on. I don't know that this will fit the bill, maybe it will ultimately.
Looks cool, though. I'd definitely feel uber pimp pulling somebody over in it.
Main concerns will be: Cost, durability (they can say 250k , but what is reality) and maintenance--where can this be repaired? Police departments like dependable vehicles that can be easily repaired and worked on. I don't know that this will fit the bill, maybe it will ultimately.
Looks cool, though. I'd definitely feel uber pimp pulling somebody over in it.
Bignate603
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No at all...
For starters, it's diesel and also has better mileage and range than the current most used platforms (Impala, Charger, Crown Vic).
I say stay with the Crown Vic and try out Ford's (twin?) turbo 3.5L V6 that's going into the Taurus SHO. If the mileage is decent and the cost isn't horrible over the current V8 (and if it is, could they cut down to one larger turbo?), you have a winner.
To me, it looks like they put way too much thought into styling and appearance. No one cares if the car that's chasing the stolen Camaro looks good - that's just for movies.
To me, it looks like they put way too much thought into styling and appearance. No one cares if the car that's chasing the stolen Camaro looks good - that's just for movies.
Zenmervolt
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Going to a single turbo for the 3.5 V6 would be a bad idea. You'd increase lag which can make a car more difficult to drive. A smooth power curve is more important than any additional cost from a second turbo as compared to a single.
ZV
Bignate603
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Has anyone else heard that GM will continue G8 production through Holden and import them here for police use.
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