New comp AM2 4600+ x2 Vs. E6300 Core 2 Duo ?

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imported_megahyperion

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Ok as the title says this is another am2 vs c2d BUT WAIT, this isnt your average debate and Im buying on monday so I wanted some more input on which to choose.

My budget first off is very little. Actually let me start with myself, I consider myself to be more elite then nub when it comes to pc's and ive been building my own since 99ish.
I even have one hell of a maxpc collection to boot.

Ok so heres what the duece. I last upgraded my sys about 1.5 yr ago and went socket 939 with a 3000+ and a soltek board.
I went with the soltek after having the most expensive non-sli Gigabyte and Asus fail on me.
It has the via k890pro chipset. To be honest this board out benched my previous gigabyte and asus boards also running the same chipsets.

Check out some reviews
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X...d=1&q=soltek+sl-k890pro+review&spell=1

Not trying to pump up soltek too much but that was my second board by them and at the time of purchase you couldnt find anything with those features and peformance for that price, not even for $50 more.

I never planned on going SLI so I didnt want to spend money on features I wouldnt use and because of this I choose VIA.

Ok so I bought the 3000+ cause I was strapped on cash and at the time had to go PCI-E so I had to buy a vid card too. I figured go 3000+ then later go x2 when prices drop.
Well out of no where VIA says X2 chips arent working on like 80% of K890pro boards :(

SO I guess that means new board and since DDR2 prices have dropped as well as AM2 I figured Id go that route BUT HOLD THE PHONE.
All this talk of this all mighty Core 2 Duo got me thinking maybe back to intel? My last intel was a P3 btw lol.

SO without further a`do here are the 2 systems Im looking at and the price is practically the same.

I need to keep the chip as close to $200 as possible
I need to keep the Ram as close to $200 as possible
and I need to keep the board as close to $100 as possible to leave room for a new vid card.

I dont need SLI because I am an ATI fan, mainly because if your not going SLI $ for $ ati outperforms Nvidia most of the time.
My next card will be an ATI X1950 Pro Retail for $175.00 Shipped


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Side Note (I prefer to buy from newegg because there cheap and fast and very trustworthy)
Both will use this ram
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) - $194 shipped

Intel stuff
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6300 - Retail $187.00 Shipped
GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $115.00 Shipped
Intel Total - $302.00

AMD Stuff
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ Windsor 2.4GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA4600CUBOX - Retail $210.00 Shipped
ASUS M2N-E Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $99.00 Shipped
OR
ABIT KN9 ULTRA Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $109.00 Shipped
AMD Total - $310.00

Tomshardware cpu charts dont have the E4300 or the E6300 so its hard to get an idea where it stands against the 4600+
Most put the e6300 against a 3800+ which is closer in price but no one takes into consideration the motherboard price and techinically I could get away with slower ram as well. You can see these are VERY close in price, only $8 off.

Both setups use the latest chipsets which I care about more then most other stuff.
I really dont bother overclocking my cpu at all because I care about stability more then raw performance.

I can also go OEM on the cpu's because I will be using my XP90c thermalright and either way I will need to buy a bracket to make it work with each proc, although the AM2 bracket is half the price $5 vs $10.

So the questions, the most obvious is which would be faster?
Does anyone know a better board for around the same price for the Intel and AMD?
And of course just general suggestions and comments are welcome. I have until monday to start placing my orders so let the discussion begin.


Thanks in Advance



 
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imported_megahyperion

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I posted this question on another forum I like as well.
Someone responded with this
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2795&p=1

Turns out there incredible close but the 4600+ does nudge out the 6300 on most benchmarks.

SO in that respect I was thinking it would come down to the board more then the proc and I do think the P965 is more advaced then the 570ultra but I know little of Intel stuff.

I am an AMD fan so obviously im leaning that way but I am also always logical and will go for the better choice once I can nitpick out which is better.

And remember theres a good chance I wont be overclocking so thats out of the question. Looking for stability, stock performance and upgradability.

I also wanted to note I have my own soundcard so onboard sound means nuthing.

Also if you say one or the other please do tell me why you choose that one.

thansk
 
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Your reason for not overclocking isn't a good one. The reason everyone is overclocking these core2duo chips is because they're so stable when overclocked, lol. OC'ing my friend's E6400 (at his request) was SO much easier than OC'ing my Opteron165. If you want better stock performance, go for the E6400, since its only $22 above your $100 limit. Or if you will yield to the overclocking plea of c2d, then go for the E4300 and just bump the FSB to 266Mhz... voila, near E6600 performance on near stock fsb, near stock voltage, and stock cooling; thats minimal OC'ing for best performance for your money, imo.

For reference: E6400 @ 8*400=3.2Ghz 1.35v (1.325v stock), 2GBNQ DDR2-800 5-5-5-15 @ 1.8v (ram was all stock) ... all I did was bump the fsb, and nudge the vCore. Just keep in mind, your mileage may vary, but everyone else seems to be getting near these same results without much effort. CPU idle's at 38°C, and I forgot the load temp =\ I'll find out later.
 
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Originally posted by: megahyperion
what is the stock bus on the 4300 vs the 6600 ? 800 vs 1000 ?
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I believe he mis-keyed and meant the 6300, since there is no 4300...
 
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Originally posted by: megahyperion
Turns out there incredible close but the 4600+ does nudge out the 6300 on most benchmarks.
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And remember theres a good chance I wont be overclocking so thats out of the question.
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Well then, get the AMD. (whoops, I don't get to hang out with the cool kids anymore :p )

At the same MHz the Core 2 Duo is faster overall. That means it takes a faster AMD CPU to keep up. However, the 4600+ may just be faster enough to surpass an E6300.

The other part of the equation is that the Core 2 Duo overclocks better than the A64. Double whammy! Faster at stock, can clock to higher MHz.

HOWEVER, if you don't overclock...

Originally posted by: engiNURD
Your reason for not overclocking isn't a good one.
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He can do whatever he wants with his system, and if he doesn't want to overclock, then he won't.

Originally posted by: Gautama2
Originally posted by: megahyperion
what is the stock bus on the 4300 vs the 6600 ? 800 vs 1000 ?
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I believe he mis-keyed and meant the 6300, since there is no 4300...
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Guess Newegg's selling an imaginary CPU.

The FSB is 800 versus 1066.
 
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actually, on anands, E6300 nudges out 4600+ ... plus, you can overclock 1 Ghz for fun. Mainly because intel like being, hey we're just playin with you. There's still 50% headroom in our chips. and its 100% safe.
 
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imported_megahyperion

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Woops looks like I was beat to it on the 4300, yeah but for Gautama2 people whoose the 4300 over the 6300 because it is pratically the same speed (1.8 vs 1.83 or something like that) and has a 200mhz lower bus making it easier to overclock, well easier on the ram and mobo anyway.

Man I still dont know what to do here.

What mobo do u guys think is better? one of the AMD's that I listed or the intel?
 
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imported_megahyperion

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Ok So im really thinking core2duo .

I see getting the 6300 to run 1.3+ghz over clock seems pretty reasonable so maybe I will get one and just go 1ghz over clock.

Ok now correct me if im wrong but the intel is quad pumped buss still? so the math for the 6300 is
266fsb quad 2:3 ratio = (266x4/3x2)=709.33 which is ddr2 800
7x266 = 1.8ghz

So maybe I can still keep the ddr2 800 speed and go 7x400 with 1:1 ratio on ddr2 800 to = 2.8ghz

This Im thinkin will probably still be pretty stable since I would be keeping the ddr2 in spec.

OR should I go with the 4300 which is 200fsb 2:1 ratio (200x4/2x2) and overclock to 9x333 1:1 ratio (333x4/2x1) =666 Which is still ddr2 667 spec for 2997mhz

Although I think the ram is about the same price so Id prob stick with the ddr2 800 either way.

U guys think the 6300 can pull off 2.8ghz with a thermalright xp90c without breaking a sweat?

 
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Zap

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Originally posted by: Blain
If you go with an AM2, you will be ridiculed until you leave the forums.
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I have two AM2 CPU/boards. Only the mods can make me leave. :p

$37 CPUs FTW!
 
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Blain

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Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: Blain
If you go with an AM2, you will be ridiculed until you leave the forums.
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I have two AM2 CPU/boards. Only the mods can make me leave. :p
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I didn't say banned or kick-out...
He'd be shamed into leaving.

BTW, Sorry to hear about your AM2 problems. :eek:

 
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Zap

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Originally posted by: Blain
BTW, Sorry to hear about your AM2 problems. :eek:
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Yeah, problem is that I couldn't hit 3GHz with a $37 1.6GHz CPU. Maxed out at 2.9GHz.

BTW, I feel no shame for owning both AMD and Intel CPUs.
 
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The last desktop Intel CPU I owned was a 1GHz PIII.

Intel tried to fvck us with Netburst and they fvcked MANY of you with it for a LONG time. Even if C2D is wonderful I don't see myself buying one any time soon.

I could care less about top of the line, blah blah blah. I'll stick with my AMD CPUs. Go on and flame me.
 
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imported_megahyperion

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Yep bought my ram today and putting in my order for the cpu and mobo on monday. I have to keep it spread out cause I have a $300 daily spending limit on one of the debit cards im using.

Im buying everything through newegg so shipping should be quick.
After reading this
http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/
I will be sticking with the e6300

thanks for helping me decide and to be honest before posting here and on the other foroms I was really leaning towards amd because Ive been using amd for quite a while.

Now Im actually excited to get this thing a tweak a lil, havent been excited to do that since the original socket a t-birds.

Alright thanks everyone you have all been a big help. Budget gamming rig here I come, until the 8800 drops in price anyway ;)
 
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