New Cely 1ghz @ 1240 on ABIT BH6 rev 1.0 (Is this normal)

[Herkulese]

This has to be the smoothest OC experience that I have had since the original 66/100 days with the Celeron 266@400 and 366@550.

I have this 1ghz Coppermine Celeron on a generic Supper Slotket on an old ABIT BH6 rev 1.0 MoBo, and it seems to just love to OC. I tried it at 112fsb and it gave me absolutely no sign of trouble through several Sandra CPU and MEM tests as well as 30min of CPU Burn. I then ran about 4 hours of Prime95 torture test, and still not a single stumble. There were also no cold boot problems.

I decided that is was worth trying it at 124fsb and to my astonishment, it is rock solid throug all of the same tests and 5 hours of Prime95.

I could not get my Slot-1 P3-750 (Coppermine) to run stable at 112 in the old cheap 250w case that this system used to be in, but this 1ghz Cely seems to love it. It is in a better (still generic) case with a 300w psu that holds the 5v rail at 5.0v to 5.3v. I never checked the voltages in the old case, nor did I try to OC the P3-750 in the new case. I may have to through it in and see what it does.

I have read that the Socket 370 CPU's OC better than the Slot-1's do. Is this true and is this normal for these newer cely's? Should I try 133?

What about heat, I have no way to check the CPU temp, I can only check the Case temp, and that holds at 24c-25c.

Edited to remove questions regarding running the system at 133fsb

 

[subhuman]

I believe at 133mhz you get the 1/4 divisor for 33mhz, but correct, 89mhz on the AGP...

 

[JimMc]

No 1/4 divisor on that MB, can't believe your hard drive will be happy, but probably the worst that will happen is it would actually boot then corrupt all the data on the drive.

 

[dbwillis]

Im hoping to have good results OC'ing my celly 1.0a, should have it tomorrow or Thursday, hoping for 133 bus

 

[Herkulese]

No, the BH6 rev 1.0 does not have support for the 1/4th PCI devider.
The 133fsb issue is a very small part of what I am looking for comments onhere.

Please read the entire post and comment on the other isues as well.

The main issues that I need commets on are:
1) Is it normal for this Celeron 1ghz socket 370 to run stable at 124fsb (1.24ghz) on an ABIT BH6 rev 1.0 that would not a P3-750 Slot-1 at 112 (840mhz)
2) The fact that this is in another case that seems to have a better PSU
3) The Celeron 1ghz is a Socket 370 and the P3 750 is a Slot 1
4) There is no way to measuer CPU temps on this board. Should I be concerned with heat on the Celeron 1ghz at the 112 or 124 buss speeds?

 

[JimMc]

1. Hard to generalize based on a data sample of 2 different chips, but it is not shocking..

2. Obviuosly a poor PS can affect every aspect of performance and stability.

3. Socket 370 vs. Slot 1 doesn't explain the problem with the PIII, it may just be a dud, or the other PC case may have problems such as you alluded to.

4. I never worry about temperatures. If it gets too hot, it will lock up on you, but it is unlikely that the chip will simply fry. You are probably just shortening it's life by some amount of time.

Basically, you are comparing a fairly old CPU core with Intels latest and greatest. It is not surprising that a 750 won't get to the same speed as a 1 Ghz celery. I would guess 850-900 Mhz is about all you can expect from an aircooled 750, so it is entirely possible that the 112 Mhz bus puts you at an unstable speed for the PIII, not because it is a Slot 1 but because you are approaching the limit of the core at that time. Did you try giving the PIII more voltage? And obviously try it in the case with a decent PS. But I wouldn't try to draw a whole bunch of conclusions regarding a 2-3 year old Slot 1 versus a brand new flip-chip.

 

[sufehmi]

sorry I'm not answering your question but asking one - Abit's website displays the latest BIOS update for BH6 as capable to accommodating Celeron 700 -max- (http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/download/bios/bh6.htm)

I'd really like to know how you can put a Celeron 1 GHz into it?

I'm planning to upgrade my computer and it seems to be as the most economical route.

Thanks!

 

[Herkulese]

JimMC,

Basically, you are comparing a fairly old CPU core with Intels latest and greatest. It is not surprising that a 750 won't get to the same speed as a 1 Ghz celery. I would guess 850-900 Mhz is about all you can expect from an aircooled 750, so it is entirely possible that the 112 Mhz bus puts you at an unstable speed for the PIII, not because it is a Slot 1 but because you are approaching the limit of the core at that time.

I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that the P3-750 and the Cely-1ghz are both Coppermine cores. Is this incorrect?

Your are correct in your comment that I should try the P3-750 in this new case, just to see if it was a PSU issue. It would be sad to have a P3-750 that was actually capable of 1.12 or even 1.24ghz and not know it.


sufehmi,

Yes, it does seem a bit odd that ABIT's SS BIOS (for the rev 1.0 board) is stated as supporting "Up To Celeron 700, but remember that is at 66mhz so the multiplier has to be 10.5. This being the case, when you set the FSB to 100mhz and the Multiplier to 10x, VIOLA, you have support for a 1ghz celeron, or P3 for that matter.

(after you update it) and look to make sure. I was unaware of this when I bought my Cely 1ghz, or I would have gotten the 1.1ghz for only a few dollars more.

By the way, you must make sure that you get the P3 (Coppermine) core. I have read that the 1.1ghz model is the highest speed with that core. I have also read that there are 1.1's with the new Tualatin core, which the BH6 will not support.

You are right, this is a great upgrade path, for a year or two, especially when you can run the 1ghz at 1.24ghz with the stock HSF (of course, as always, with OC'ing, there are no guarantee). The only real hold back is the 100mhz memory buss but it still makes for a pretty respectable system.

 

[sufehmi]

oh man, check this out... now you can use Celeron 1.2 GHz (Tualatin) with your Abit BH6 !!
http://www.powerleap.com/Products/iP3T.htm

kick ass !!! I'm gonna buy it.

 

[cmetz]

This thread couldn't have come at a better time -- I was about to post a "can you get a 1.1/128k Celeron to work in a BH6" question. I have a BH6 1.0 btw.

Anyone tried the 1.1/128k? Any problems?

sufehmi, I looked at the PowerLeap P3/T adapter. The problem is that a 1.1/128k is like $70ish, and I can re-use my $15 slotket adapter. The P3/T with Celeron 1.2/256k is $160. That's a really big price jump for not much of a performance jump. And think about it for a moment -- for $160 you can get a Celeron 1.2 for $80 and a whole new motherboard for $80. Maybe you'd have to pay $90 for the Celeron and $100 for the new motherboard, but still, it just doesn't make economic sense.

What's the heat / cooling like on the Celeron 1.0/1.1? Anything I should know about? (in a world of P4s and Athlons, I suppose they're pretty tame)

 

[sufehmi]

hi cmetz, yes my case is quite different to you.
I compared Celeron 1.1 + fan + slotket with PL's Tualatin package. There's price difference of around 40-50 poundsterling. But with that difference I got:

1. extra 0.1 GHz, well ok it's not too much

2. Tualatin-based Celeron (0.13 core) - should scale better in heavy applications/games. May even overclock well, who knows say 1.4 Ghz? That will REALLY kick ass for a BH6, heh heh

3. PowerLeap provides satisfaction guarantee - if for example if proves incompatible with my BH6 mobo no problem, I can return it.
But buying Celeron Coppermine + fan + slotket separately comes with no guarantee - I risk losing about 100 poundsterling if it doesn't work for whatever reason. (I'm a newbie, so anything can happen)

Those points above justify the difference in price IMHO.
YMIIV of course.

 

[cmetz]

sufehmi, clearly Powerleap's target market is folks who aren't experts and are willing to pay a little more for a simple solution with a guarantee. So maybe that would work well for you.

Another approach you might consider is to see if you can find a small computer shop that would be willing to work with you. At least here in the US, there are a ton of small computer shops, and it's usually a great idea to have one good one you work with often, so when you want to try risky things they'll work with you if there's a problem. Plus you can frequently get them to install and test parts for a nominal fee. (of course, small computer shops vary wildly and finding a good one can be a whole problem in itself)

For me, though, one serious question I weigh is upgrade vs. replace. It's frequently cheaper to buy a whole new set of "middle of the line" parts than it is to buy upgrade parts for what you already have. For example, try comparing the cost of an i815EP motherboard (in the US, they can be had for around $80) and OEM Celeron 1.2 against the cost of the PowerLeap retrofit for the BH6. Or you could get a socket A motherboard and a Durn, for similar motherboard + CPU cost (but you might need a new power supply). Plus, if you get a whole new motherboard, you can give away or sell the BH6+CPU to someone else (uhh, or accumulate a closet full of junk!). Many a wife/girlfriend/parents' PC came to exist this way. I don't know how the UK (?) market is, maybe the economics don't compare the way they do here, but you might consider this route.

Frankly, I'm just happy that someone got the 1.0/128k to work in the BH6, I had really worried that it might top out on multipliers and/or voltage settings around 700MHz.

 

[boyRacer]

<< No 1/4 divisor on that MB, can't believe your hard drive will be happy, but probably the worst that will happen is it would actually boot then corrupt all the data on the drive. >>


OMG... i have sleepless nights just thinking of this.

 

[JimMc]

<<I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that the P3-750 and the Cely-1ghz are both Coppermine cores. Is this incorrect?>>

Yes, same core, but produced perhaps a 1-2 years earlier. They now have 1.1 Ghz PIII's with the same core as PIII like yours, but that speed wasn't possible then. Yields improve with time and speeds that were not possible 2 years ago are now possible. As I said, the average overclock for a PIII 750 was in the 850-950 range, clearly less than the 1 Ghz of your celery.

 

[Herkulese]

JimMC

As I said, the average overclock for a PIII 750 was in the 850-950 range, clearly less than the 1 Ghz of your celery.

Yes as time goes on, processes get better, and thus, yealds emprove, which, as you said, results in higher posible speeds for the same core. But your comment regarding the 850 to 950 range being the top for the older P3-750 is precisely why I expected it to OC at at least 112 (840).

I still have not tried the OC'ing the 750 in this new case, I am in hopes that maybe it will run at 112/840, or even 124/930. I do not hold out great hopes, but it is worth a try, and I will post back when and if I get it to work.

 

[burnedout]

A friend of mine actually ordered the Powerleap solution with the 1.2 GHz Celeron. Runs perfectly. I used the experiences from apoppin who had posted here or in the CPU forum. I told my friend that quite frankly this looked like the last upgrade that the BH6 would be able to take and he must break down for another board should he desire any more performance.

I helped my friend install the adapter about 3 weeks ago. We had some issues at first. The fan failed. We weren't paying attention and the machine continued to lock up. So after checking out the situation, I rooted around and located another fan.

When the Powerleap adapter is inserted, it enables the option of a 12x multiplier in the bios of a BH6. At the initial screen, the CPU is recognized as 1189 MHz, but in Sandra and WinXP, it registers as 1200 MHz.

My friend's machine is now actually a little quicker than my own dual 1 GHz doing certain things. I think the Powerleap solution is a bit overpriced though.

 

[IronCityPA]

Wow, I'm glad I came across this thread. It's been a few days since anyone has posted to it, but I hope it keeps going. Right now I'm running an Abit BH6 (not rev 1.1) with a celeron 300a oc'd to 466mhz (4.5x103) which is 463.5 but I rounded off. Anyhow.. I have the latest bios and I haven't checked my multiplier settings lately.. did the BH6 plain (not rev 1.1) support multipliers of 10.5? Also, about how much is the slocket adapter? I have a slocket for my socket-370 celeron. I have been planning on building an amd xp system but that would set me back around $700... moreso if I want a 19" monitor which I know I would. Another thing, I have an Enlight 7237 case I believe with a 235Watt AGI psu... this has been more than sufficient for my current platform which includes 3 hdds (1 udma/33 and 2 ide16), Teac 532S scsi-3 cd-rom, Yamaha 8824S scsi-3 cd-rw, floppy drive, my voodoo3 3000, scsi adapter, 3com pci ethernet card, and my Awe64 isa sound card. My question is though would the psu be able to hang with the new cellery? I believe the default voltage for my 300a is 1.75V and I have it at 1.8V rock stable. What's the voltage of the new cellery? I have tried to o/c my computer to 504mhz (4.5x112) to no avail... nore does a 75mhz fsb work.. so I'm assuming it's not my processor but perhaps either my sdram, my main hdd, or my video card. Reason I say that is b/c I tried both with nothing in the system but those components. I was able to boot into windows before at 504mhz though but when I tried to run a program it locked up. OH, also, would my current cooler work with the new celeron?? I have a 5,000 rpm plastic heatsink but it seems to work fairly well for the current cpu. I'm not too worried about buying a "sufficient" heatsink though... since I doubt I'll be able to o/c my fsb any more with a new celeron.

Thanks.

 

[Herkulese]

IronCityPA,

You should have no problems at all running the new Celeron at stock settings.
As I said earlier, I believe that the SS BIOS comes with up to 12 or 12.5 multipliers, and you can easily verify this by going into your BIOS Soft Menu, selecting USER DEFINE, and clicking through the multipliers.

Just rememver to exit BIOS without saving the settings.

I am running the 1ghz Cely on my system and one of the responders said that the 1.1 would also work.
I can not verify this, but I see no reason that it would not run, as long as it is the Coppermine core, Not The Tualatin core.
All you would need to do is go into the BIOS Soft Menu, and select:

User Define
11x
100fsb.
and maybe bump the voltage a bit, I have mine set at 1.80v

I am usinga generic Socket 370/P111 Coppermine slotket that I bought on E-Bay for $11.00.
Many people recommend the Abit, Iwill, or MSI versions which cost more like $20 to $25.

 

[akou]

The following is from my post on Jan08

OK I got my parts from googlegear yesterday: Celeron 1.1 and SOYO slotkit. I followed the instructions and installed them in my computer. The initial setting I used were:

CPU Operating Speed: user define
Turbo frequency: disabled
Ext. Clock (PCI): 100
Multiplier Factor: 11
SEL100/66# Signal: high
AGPCLK/CPUCLK: 1/1
L2 Cache Latency: Default
Speed Error Hold: enabled

CPU Power Supply: 1.75

But when I saved and rebooted, the computer halted after detecting the CDROM. So I turned the speed error hold off. Then everything booted fine with 1100 MHZ!
When windows finished booting. I checked the reported CPU speed was 1068 MHZ. I didn't know exactly what it should be, but it seemed close enough for me. I then started to play a game to test out the system. Within a minute, and the computer locked up and the screen went black. I Hard rebooted and set the AGPCLK/CPUCLK to 2/3. Then played the game again, and it didn't crash for an hour. So I rebooted once more, and set the Turbo frequency to enable. The computer still booted at 1100 MHZ, but windows reported the CPU speed to be 1118MHz! So now I am happy! The old bh6 lives on!

Hope some people may find my experience helpful in upgrading their own system.

Feel the Joy!

 

[oldfart]

CPU Operating Speed: user define Good
Turbo frequency: disabled Turbo = 103 FSB
Ext. Clock (PCI): 100 100, 112, 124 whatever your CPU will do
Multiplier Factor: 11[ doesn't really matter since multiplier is locked
SEL100/66# Signal: high doesn't matter
AGPCLK/CPUCLK: 1/1 AGP divisor. 1/1 for 66 MHz FSB, 2/3 for 100+ FSB
L2 Cache Latency: Default doesn't matter
Speed Error Hold: enabled should be disabled

CPU Power Supply: 1.75 increase as needed

 

[Zap]

1) Is it normal for this Celeron 1ghz socket 370 to run stable at 124fsb (1.24ghz) on an ABIT BH6 rev 1.0 that would not a P3-750 Slot-1 at 112 (840mhz)
2) The fact that this is in another case that seems to have a better PSU
3) The Celeron 1ghz is a Socket 370 and the P3 750 is a Slot 1

Yes. Perhaps your new power supply gives more stable power or your P3 core just wouldn't go higher. I don't think the slot vs. socket is an issue by itself, but the HSF choices are better for socket. I do know that usually as time goes by yields get better on a given process, thus newer chips will often OC better than older chips.

4) There is no way to measuer CPU temps on this board. Should I be concerned with heat on the Celeron 1ghz at the 112 or 124 buss speeds?

Nah, just use the old "finger on the heatsink" trick.

As for BIOS support, if the BIOS supports a certain type of processor (Coppermine, in this case) then it often would be able to support ALL speeds of that type (perhaps excepting for the B versions) since the cores are the same and the multiplier is locked.

The Powerleap can go take a leap... for the $160 do like a few of you have already suggested, buy a new mobo/CPU combo. For instance, I just got an Abit VH6T and a retail-box Celeron 1.0A ("A" for Tualatin). This combo cost about $150 plus tax plus shipping from Newegg. It OCs to 1333 w/o problem. Many feel this is a better choice than a 1.1A or 1.2 because you can get higher FSB - ideally hitting at least 133FSB. With a 1.2 you would have to OC to 1600 to get 133FSB. Yes, some lucky souls have done it, but MOST have not. Also, the 1.0A is a $77 CPU (retail-box two weeks ago), making it a great value. So, having spent about $175 for the setup, if I owned an Abit BH6 and some random CPU in it, I could sell it for at least $50-100 (depending on CPU in it), thus offsetting the cost of the new stuff. Even better - the new board supports more USB ports, ATA100, 512MB DIMMs, AGP4X, 1/2 AGP, 1/4 PCI, 1MHz increment FSB to 160MHz, FSB to 200MHz and even still has an ISA slot for people like me (ISA USR Courier modem - ROCK!).

 

[PullMyFinger]

Hi IronCityPA,
I believe the voltage on your 300a should be 2.0v default. I had a Celery 266 which I overclocked to 400 and it's default was 2.0v, I had it running full time at 2.1v w/ no heat problems using a cheap $5 fan/heatsink combo. You may want to double check to see that your processor is at least getting the default voltage.

BTW, you handle makes it sound like you're from Pittsburgh, is this true?

 

[blackhawk]

Just a comment on my experience with the cdo stepping celeron 900. I previously ran 533,566,600 and 633 cbo celeron 2's on my aopen ax6bc slot 1 bx mb and typically got to about 103mz with the 533 going to 112 on the fsb. The cdo stepping was installed on the mb and booted once at 100fsb then went right to 133 with 1/4 pci and 89mz on the agp, no problem and no problem for the 4 months I ran it this way. My temps were up about 4c to top out at 28c from the aopen monitoring program and with an older GW hs.
My cpu wouldn't go to anything higher than 133 and I ran a V3, V5 and Asus 6800 Gforce video card on it without any problems.

All celerons from 900 up are cdo stepping and a vast improvement over the cbo and cco steppings out there.

 

[donxvi]

Just another person that can vouch for running a celeron 1100 (not A) on a BH6 (1.0, SS). None of the system liked going to 112 MHz FSB, unfortunately.
Not a bad breath of life into the old boat, especially now that the price of the chip's gone down further!