New Catalyst 9.12 - Performance boosts on 58XX Series

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HalfCrazy

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Found a fixed link for the XP drivers. But the website is getting hammered big time right now. Only getting 5KB/sec download speed.
 
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jvroig

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How about a link that shows the claimed 15-20% improvement?

And why only the 58xx series? Catalyst 9.12 offers no improvement for 57xx?
 
Qbah

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jvroig said:
How about a link that shows the claimed 15-20% improvement?

And why only the 58xx series? Catalyst 9.12 offers no improvement for 57xx?
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Well, the HD5770 has the same 800 shaders as a HD4870 and quite a bit less memory bandwidth. Higher clocks though on the core... And it's just a tad slower. What more do you want to squeeze out of those cards? They have a bit worse performance parameters than a HD4870 and perform a bit worse - looks fine imo.

Now the HD58xx... They doubled up on pretty much everything, yet the performance isn't there. The card has better parameters than a HD4870x2 but it's usually slower - looks like they found out the reason and tapped that hidden power - provided of course those claims are true. Though a link to some numbers would be fine :)
 
Daedalus685

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There are no formal reviews on performance yet, but guru3d has a long forum post on it. The link is in the other 9.12 thread here.

Most seem to be talking about 10% increase at least, 5770 included. That being said, I'll wait for a review site to bench them.. I'll try them myself when I get home on my 4890s.
 
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@Qbah: It has been noted by some people like BFG10K who do their fair shaire of investigation and benchmarking that the 5770 does perform erratically (lower than expected in some, then beats a much more expensive GTX card in fewer cases). I would refer you to the threads about it, but I'm sure you already have read it, and I don't remember the particular threads, and they are all too long because argumentative posts about whether or not it is driver-related or bandwidth-related abound. It's no fun trying to re-read them.

@Daedalus685: Agreed, I hope a review site does bench them when the new drivers are officially released (I am assuming the linked 9.12 drivers are leaked and not yet official? Otherwise it would have come from the AMD/ATI site and not some other site). BFG10K seemed to be interested in doing so as well, so I am sure we will also hear from him once the drivers are out.
 
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HD5770 @ 1445/960

I just removed 9.11 and installed 9.12 and ran 3DMark06 before and after.
The card was overclocked to the max setting in Catalyst.

There was no difference in performance, slightly slower if anything.
Before (9.11): 16846
After (9.12): 16735
 
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Number1 said:
HD5770 @ 1445/960

I just removed 9.11 and installed 9.12 and ran 3DMark06 before and after.
The card was overclocked to the max setting in Catalyst.

There was no difference in performance, slightly slower if anything.
Before (9.11): 16846
After (9.12): 16735
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Its more for 5770 crossfire or single DX10/11 AFAIK
 
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Eagerly awaiting reviews. I agree with BFG10K, that the 58/57 cards could gain a noticable about from future drivers


@ Qbah, they still could eke out some more performance even with roughly the same hardware, as they get better and better at writing drivers for the microarch
 
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I would really like to see Crossfire evolution. I hate microstutter! Even though i can mostly emliminate it with vsync, triple buffering and smooth mouse, it still needs to be tweaked. I'm sure these guys can fix this stuff they just have different priorities.
 
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These are the best drivers ATI has ever put out, period. Here are some stock runs @ 850/1200.

3dMarkVantage (Tri-Fire 5870) with 9.11 drivers = 28311 GPU Score
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1510935

3dMarkVantage (Tri-Fire 5870) with 9.12 drivers = 34426 GPU Score
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1510935


They finally fixed the scaling issue!!! I get 165FPS average on Dirt 2 in DX11 @ 1920x1080 w/Ultra Preset and 8xMSAA!!! With the 9.11 dirt2 hotfix, I would get 80FPS averaged in Tri-Fire and 97FPS in CF.


Here is what I get with these drivers and a 1000/1295 OC on all cards using 1.25v with MSI Afterburner 1.41...

3dMarkVantge (Tri-Fire 5870) @ 1000/1295 ---> 36922 GPU Score!!!!!!!!!!
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1693329


I've also gotten an average of 20fps increases in both Crysis and Crysis Warhead using these new 9.12 (8.681) drivers @ 1920x1080 resolution!!!

ATI PULLED THROUGH, FINALLY! I now got what I paid for LoL
 
Qbah

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luv2increase said:
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I've also gotten an average of 20fps increases in both Crysis and Crysis Warhead using these new 9.12 (8.681) drivers @ 1920x1080 resolution!!!

ATI PULLED THROUGH, FINALLY! I now got what I paid for LoL
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What are your scores in Crysis Very High / Warhead Enthusiast 1920x1080 AAx4 then? Please share :)
 
BFG10K

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These drivers just might interest me enough to drop my 5770 back into my system and retest it.
 
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I have gained 700 points on previous high score in Vantage. The points all came from the GPU score which gained a whopping 1000 points!!

Nice jump in performance.
 
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Xpoc said:
I have gained 700 points on previous high score in Vantage. The points all came from the GPU score which gained a whopping 1000 points!!

Nice jump in performance.
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so what was the old score and whats the new one??
 
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Qbah

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Grooveriding said:
I'm seeing 47fps avg 2560x1600 4xx all enthusiast in Warhead, frost level.
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That is crazy ! O_O

And where are the emotes ?

EDIT: Check this SH1T OUT :D Taken from the Guru3D thread - the dude is running 4x HD5770 and a PhII - INSANE :D AAx16 Link to his post. I put AVG in bold too. MIN almost 40FPS.......

16-12-2009 16:37:01 - Vista 64
Beginning Run #1 on Map-island, Demo-benchmark_gpu
DX10 1920x1080, AA=16x, Vsync=Disabled, 64 bit test, FullScreen
Demo Loops=3, Time Of Day= 9
Global Game Quality: High
================================================== ============
TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
!TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
Play Time: 37.69s, Average FPS: 53.07
Min FPS: 38.72 at frame 1950, Max FPS: 79.92 at frame 1586
Average Tri/Sec: -33658988, Tri/Frame: -634282
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.45
!TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
Play Time: 32.53s, Average FPS: 61.48
Min FPS: 38.72 at frame 1950, Max FPS: 82.71 at frame 1613
Average Tri/Sec: -38734532, Tri/Frame: -629999
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.46
!TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
Play Time: 32.61s, Average FPS: 61.33
Min FPS: 38.72 at frame 1950, Max FPS: 84.05 at frame 1654
Average Tri/Sec: -38615616, Tri/Frame: -629600
Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -1.46
TimeDemo Play Ended, (3 Runs Performed)
================================================== ============

Completed All Tests

<><><><><><><><><><><><><>>--SUMMARY--<<><><><><><><><><><><><><>

16-12-2009 16:37:01 - Vista 64

Run #1- DX10 1920x1080 AA=16x, 64 bit test, Quality: High ~~ Overall Average FPS: 6140,5
 
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Qbah said:
What are your scores in Crysis Very High / Warhead Enthusiast 1920x1080 AAx4 then? Please share :)
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Crysis with the Real Lifesys Mod using TOD2 with settings of "very high" in the benchmark tool (although I do get the warning saying I have a custom autoexec.cfg) @ 1920x1080 with 8xAA (in-benchmark) and 8xAF (forced via CCC), I am getting 66FPS average in DX10...

One thing I have noticed with Crysis/Crysis Warhead is that when you force AA via the CCC, you will have hardly any hit to your FPS, but AA is still indeed working. When you set AA in-game or in this case in the benchmark, it will have a bigger hit.

Literally, when AA is set in CCC and AA is set to 0xAA in-game with Crysis/CW, there is "hardly" and drop in FPS.

I play both games with 24xAA (edge-detect), 16xAF, Highest Mipmap detail and highest settings and with mods.

Real Lifesis does put a smack on your FPS. I would say I've gained a good 15-20FPS in Crysis/CW. ():)

edit: I use vsinc too and set my 46" 1080P Samsung HDTV to 120hz automotion. Nothing beats it :)
 
Qbah

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luv2increase said:
Crysis with the Real Lifesys Mod using TOD2 with settings of "very high" in the benchmark tool (although I do get the warning saying I have a custom autoexec.cfg) @ 1920x1080 with 8xAA (in-benchmark) and 8xAF (forced via CCC), I am getting 66FPS average in DX10...

One thing I have noticed with Crysis/Crysis Warhead is that when you force AA via the CCC, you will have hardly any hit to your FPS, but AA is still indeed working. When you set AA in-game or in this case in the benchmark, it will have a bigger hit.

Literally, when AA is set in CCC and AA is set to 0xAA in-game with Crysis/CW, there is "hardly" and drop in FPS.

I play both games with 24xAA (edge-detect), 16xAF, Highest Mipmap detail and highest settings and with mods.

Real Lifesis does put a smack on your FPS. I would say I've gained a good 15-20FPS in Crysis/CW. ():)

edit: I use vsinc too and set my 46" 1080P Samsung HDTV to 120hz automotion. Nothing beats it :)
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That is CRAZY :D Check the result I posted from the Guru3D thread. 4 HD5770s scale incredibly now! Looks like ATi found a way to have CrossFire scale amazingly in Crysis ! What a Christmas gift to all HD5xxx owners, especially the ones with a CrossFire setup... :)

YES, IT DOES PLAY CRYSIS MAXED - always wanted to say that :D
 
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Are there any other hosts for this file or perhaps a torrent? getting ~10kb/s on those links.
 
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