No, they're not.
Does this change what you do during a normal day? No
Does it change what you can bring in your carry-on luggage, therefore creating a slight inconvenience? You have to check bags if they have liquids in them. Boo-hoo for you.
As for international flights, have none of you used US Airways or Virgin Atlantic? Those planes have something like 50 movies that you get to choose from. It's really not hard to entertain yourself on those flights. And that's a COACH seat.
You're all over reacting. Eventually they'll bee up the security detectors so that they can detect the compounds they would have used to blow up the planes. Even if they don't, who cares? You just need to check your bags from now on. It's really NOT a big deal.
If they did not enact these new security measures and some plane blew up, you could be sure that everyone on here would be swearing at the governments for not protecting their citizens. It's lose-lose. Some people would even claim that the US government set up the explosion :roll:
Checking my bags will actually cause me some issues. I have a limited time frame when I fly somewhere I am on the ground for usually less than 48 hours I do not want to spend 1-2 of them waiting for my luggage.
For vacation travelers this is not that big a deal (thoose that fly 1 every two years) I fly about 10-20 trips a YEAR and yes it is a big inconvience. Also never mind that I usually spend the majority of my flight working on my laptop so that is gonna kill that.
You also fail at reading comprehension.
The 18 months of police work (a guess on your part, but probably a fair guess) was what went into keeping the horse in. The horse never got out. Your analogy was absolute crap and you're trying to cover that up by attacking my motivation? Way to go ad hominem boy.
Okay, let's say you have to show up an extra 2 hours early to the airpor. You claim that at most you take 20 trips a year, so that's 40 visits to the airport. That's 80 hours out of 8760 per year. No, this is a minor inconvenience to everyone involved. Unless you're flying once a week, you can STFU about how inconcenienced you are.
You have 48 hours on the ground, and last time I checked my bags it really didn't take more than 30 minutes on a fully loaded flight to London for me to get my bags. On Virgin flights, pretty everyone has to check their bags unless it's about the size of a purse.
Bring a book or something. Suck it up. The chances are super slim that a terrorist attack with liquids would have worked anyway, but god knows that there would be a huge legal ****** storm if anything bad happened. If you can find a way for the airlines to cheaply cover their asses while allowing you access to your laptop on the plane, I'm sure they'd love to hear about it. I'm guessing you'll be able to use your laptop again if the airports upgrade their security equipment or just make the security checkpoints 10x more grueling.
Vic
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That wasn't an ad hominem. Speaking of fallacies, you're using a red herring. My point was that this carry-on luggage rule has nothing to do with the terrorist plot itself. It didn't and wouldn't prevent it. My argument is that you're advocating sacrificing freedoms... for nothing. Thinking that this is a good idea is the equivalent of shutting the barn door after the horse has already gotten out. Hello? Anybody home?
Ok except what about lost luggage?
Thoose of us who fly often know that this happens and just one time can literally cost thousands of dollars.
When I fly I carry on my clothes I have learned to pack up to 3 days in a carry on (I use one or two suit coats.)
However if I need to check my bag because of the type of hair spray I use I just wna tto say this is bordering on stupid.
I also can not use most shampoo in the hotels due to an allergic reaction to perfumes and lotions. (damn you Hyatt!)
So my point is this it is a big problem for quite a few americans and it reality unnessisary.
My heart goes out to all of the fine beverages that were dumped today due to this new ban.
Now the duty free stores are forbidden to sell any liquid to passengers as well.
The age of drunken airline flights are over
Now the duty free stores are forbidden to sell any liquid to passengers as well.
The age of drunken airline flights are over
Vic
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Originally posted by: everman
My heart goes out to all of the fine beverages that were dumped today due to this new ban.
Now the duty free stores are forbidden to sell any liquid to passengers as well.
The age of drunken airline flights are over
:|
It seems to me that if the airlines don't implement new safety measures, everybody would be too scared to fly because of terrorism concerns. Airlines are businesses and to make money they need people to actually fly on their planes, produce revenue. The question for the airlines isn't about how effective the new security measures are, they are if the people will buy them, be less scared to fly their planes after the foiled terrorist plot, and use their airplanes to fly once again. Any security measure implemented or to be implemented, I think, is not 100% fool proof against such attacks. One cannot read the mind of the terrorist and know what and where to look for when searching for bombs but these rules do provide some level of security, albeit higher than before, yet still not terror-proof.
Too bad that they don't teach reading comprehension in public school anymore....
Where exactly does he claim rights are being taken away?
:roll:
Pretty soon they won't be any carry on luggage allowed. But that may have a bright side. Maybe the airlines will convert the overhead space into bunks.
I just find it amusing that those dillweed "business" travelers will now have to check bags instead of throwing three suitcases into the overhead at the front of the plane because their time is so much more precious than everyone else's. You know what? I always check bags, and it does NOT take an inordinate amount of time to retrieve them.
What irks me is that the last time I checked my laptop (ok, first time, too), it didn't work on arrival. Awesome -- I'm flying to Italy in a few weeks. :|
What irks me is that the last time I checked my laptop (ok, first time, too), it didn't work on arrival. Awesome -- I'm flying to Italy in a few weeks. :|
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It might not be a "right" exactly, but it's damn near mandatory unless you live in a major city and don't like to travel much.
Besides, who am I endangering besides myself if I'm driving alone without a seatbelt? It seems like one of those laws where the moral majority get to inflict their rules opon you just because their children MIGHT see me doing something potentially unsafe. What's next, forcing people not to smoke in public outdoor places because you're setting "an unhealthy example" to any complete strangers that might be watching?!?
Yea, I don't know if I've ever checked my laptop. I've been flying with my laptop since 1997 and I can't remember when I've checked my laptop, always been carry-on, maybe I've done it once. But I do know that my sister, unlike me always checks her laptop because she doesn't want to bother with the bag so eh. I guess get a really good bag with padding on both sides.
Mind you, I didn't WANT to check my bag, but I was flying on a commuter plane. They made me gate check my carryon because it was rather large (I was deploying to Iraq -- sue me), and it wasn't well padded. I was glad it was that flight though, because I was still Stateside and was able to send it to my wife to have it fixed. Oddly enough, when the tech looked at it (Dell in-home service), it worked just fine, but it was NOT working when I had it. I guess FedEx knocked it around and back into working condition!
True enough, but it was gate checked so it's a little harder to steal then.
Good thing my flight to Europe in September is on a military contract aircraft so the rules might be a little different. You'd be surprised though -- I was told I couldn't carry a pocket knife on a flight from Qatar into Baghdad! WTF? I have to wear body armor and a helmet for the landing, but I can't have a pocket knife? Oh, and those guys (US Marshals, CIA, AFOSI, various others) have sidearms with ammunition. Morons at the air terminal. :roll:
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That's the point I made in the other thread... The people in charge of preventing terrorism should be sitting around a table, trying to think of things terrorists could use. Not waiting to react to things they've discovered that terrorists are attempting. They got lucky to catch this plot (assuming it was real). There were a lot of people involved in the plot. Suppose it were only 3 or 4 individuals involved... how different would the news be today?
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