New car review novel: 2012 Subaru Impreza 2.0i Premium w/CVT.

Jeff7

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By somewhat popular demand, here's my writeup of my Impreza, which is still pretty new. I bought it at the end of January.

Some things to know first, for context:
- My '97 Elantra was my first car, which I drove from late 2000, up until early January of this year.

- While I was on my learner's permit, I drove my mom's '93 Subaru Legacy. Besides that, I haven't really driven any other vehicles.

- I didn't actually test drive any other brands. My first test-drive was a 2012 Subaru Legacy. Before that, while shopping around, I saw Subaru and was reminded, "Oh yeah, all-wheel-drive exists." And the Impreza had the best fuel economy of any AWD available, at least in my price range. Nothing jumped out at me as "AAHH! THIS SUCKS!", so those two features made up a bulk of my buying decision. My mom's Subaru has also been pretty trouble-free; she's still driving it.

- This winter was ridiculously warm and light on snow. About 4 years ago, we had >140", and it was cold, so it stuck around a long time; that's more typical weather for here. The almanac says that 89" fell this season. I would have guessed more like 20". You could have driven around with summer tires on a RWD car and been ok. :D So I didn't really get to try out the AWD in snow.

- New cars have all kinds of nifty features that my old car didn't have, so I may be disproportionately "wowed" by some of the fancy things that are now available. Some of the major features of my Elantra were a tilting steering wheel, stereo tape deck, and driver and passenger airbags. :cool:

- I don't really drive for fun. I drive because I'm in Location A, and need to be at Location X in a reasonable amount of time. But I do appreciate a comfortable ride.


Note: When I mention "the Elantra," I'm talking about my '97 Elantra, not their '12 model.

While shopping online, I had also looked at offerings from:
Kia, Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, Mazda, Ford, and probably a few others.

I will also say, I wish that I would have gone with the hatchback. It's 6" shorter front-to-back, and it also has a rear windshield wiper. But, I didn't because that also would have meant waiting a good bit longer for some of those models to start showing up. When I was shopping, most of the ones coming in were already reserved or outright sold, and the selection was otherwise limited, due to shortages caused by the tsunami in Japan. Still, the 4-door does have a good bit of space in it.



Pluses and minuses: Note that a lot of the pluses deal with major subsystems or features of the car. A fair number of the minuses are minor usability things, very nitpicky things, or personal preferences.


+ It feels like it has more get-up-and-go than the Elantra did, and I rarely even push the engine past 4000rpm. Some of that may be because of the CVT: Even while the automatic transmission is trying to decide on a ratio, there's still power going to the wheels, unlike when a geared transmission is shifting. But the AT electronics are better about making up their mind than the Elantra's, so the time for it to make up its mind is less.
It's 148HP vs 130HP, and 145lb-ft@4200rpm vs 122lb-ft@5000rpm, so there's a little bit more power to work with on the Impreza. It's still several hundred pounds heavier than the Elantra, but it feels like it's able to do a lot more with what it's got.

+
AWD should be nice once it really starts snowing, especially once I get some snow tires on there.

+
The winter-weather (their "All-Weather") package: Seat warmers, side-window heaters, and heaters under the windshield where the wiper blades rest. This is available as a standalone upgrade. Of the limited number of manufacturers that even have these things available, most or all of them want to offer them as part of a larger upgrade package, including such things as alloy wheels and a moonroof, which I didn't really need. Sure a moonroof is nice - if I'm a passenger. I primarily got the winter package for the side-window and wiper heaters, but I'm ok with the seat warmers too. (driver and passenger only; backseat passengers get to stay cold) The mirror and wiper heaters turn on along with the back window heating grid, though the wiper heaters will only power up below a certain ambient temperature.
+ Big side mirrors. There can be lots to see beside you, and these things give a pretty decent view.
+ Keyless entry. The key and security fob are also integrated into one assembly.

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Keyless trunk, with release latch. There does not appear to be a conventional keyhole on the trunk, so those are your only two options for opening it.

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Paddle shifters with the automatic transmission. I hadn't ever heard of paddle shifters until I saw them in the Legacy I tried out; I've found them to be a convenient way to shift, should I want to do so, such as for doing some engine braking. (The CVT can mimic the behavior of a 6-gear transmission.) Other than that, I don't use them to try to pretend I have a manual transmission car. I prefer to let the car worry about managing its gearlike ratios, most of the time.

+
Disc brakes on all four wheels.

+
Fuel economy. The rating is 27/36, but reports seem to vary, so it may be dependent on driving style. My daily commute consists of some city driving (more than 14 traffic lights) and some 40-45mph roads. I got 29.7mpg in the winter, but I'm now up to 32.4mpg for the same route. Highway: 36.2mpg, at a typical cruising speed of 70mph.

+
A cruise control system that can figure out what to do when encountering crazy obstacles such as a slight incline. The Elantra would shed at least 5mph before it would even think about trying to downshift, and it would quickly pick up speed when going down a hill. The Impreza can do some automatic engine braking on hills, but it's not terribly enthusiastic about it.

+
It seems to be pretty roomy on the inside, though I'm not a terribly large person.

+
The trunk's got a good amount of space, and the curved support arms on the trunk lid retract into protected areas, so there's no risk of crushing any cargo when closing the trunk. (I've done that at least twice with the Elantra when I was very much not paying attention.)

+
Glow-in-the-dark emergency trunk release handle, for all those times that I lock myself in the trunk.

+
Power windows, power locks, power side mirrors, all that stuff. (Well, no power seat adjustments. But I only need to adjust that once and then never touch it again.)

+
Bluetooth, though I don't use a cellphone much at all. But it's there, and the manual says that it does heaping big gobs of all kinds of neat stuff.

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USB and 3.5mm audio inputs.

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Volume and track controls, and basic cellphone controls, on the steering wheel.

+
Trip computer that can show temperature, time, average speed, average MPG, and a few other stats.

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Anti-lock brakes, traction control, vehicle dynamics control, and some other sorts of new safety stuff. I don't think I've yet made use of these things yet, but they sound nifty. The other side of all this safety stuff: The insurance cost for this car isn't bad at all. For a new car versus an old thing whose value would have doubled with a set of new tires, my insurance cost went up by 60%, but I'm still paying less than $800/year. However, I did not have collision insurance on the Elantra. If I'd do away with the collision insurance, the Impreza's coverage would actually be a bit cheaper. (Statefarm insurance. $0 comprehensive deductible, $500 collision.)

+
You can get a bit over 500 miles out of a tank of gas, if you run it down to the very last drop.

+
Gas cover release is inside, by the driver's seat.

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A better sound system than my Elantra had.

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The front of the car doesn't have a face, or else my imagination isn't adequate. Yes, Mazda, I'm talking to you.

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+/- Others have said they hate the engine noise from the CVT. It does indeed sound a bit different than other engines, but...well, I don't mind it. It's not like it's some terrible screeching or anything. It's just different. And all I can't help but hear is "efficient power transfer." :)
+/- The winter was too warm, so I didn't get to find out if the Impreza's doors would tend to freeze shut or not. The doors on the Elantra would constantly freeze shut in the winter, requiring that I either find a single door that would open, or else use a screwdriver to carefully pry one open.
+/- The gas cap has a handy little strap that keeps it from falling or getting away. Unfortunately, the strap looks like the kind of plastic thing that's going to get brittle and break in a few years.
+/- No real engine temperature gauge. There's a blue light for "cold" and a red light for "hot." Both are off when the engine is at normal running temperature. The analog temperature gauge instead shows a relative MPG rating, swinging from - to +. Surprise, surprise, when you push the gas pedal, it swings over toward -.

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- Tire pressure monitoring, though I don't think you can avoid this on any vehicle anymore. My understanding is that it doesn't even let you know when the tires are running low. It lets you know when they're just short of being completely flat. Besides that, it looks like all they do is make it a pain if you want another set of wheels.

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The knobs to control the fan speed, temperature, and vents are completely round, without any special protrusions or indentations to allow you to determine their status without looking right at them. Eventually, I'm going to remedy this with a sculpted dab of plastic-adhesive epoxy.

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The pushbuttons are similar, in that they are momentary switches, not latching ones. So for these too, the only way to tell the status of the AC, defrosting heaters, and outside/inside air is to look at the indicator LED. You can't just feel the button to tell what it's doing.

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AWD, so it must be towed with a flatbed.
- I'm going to go with a minus on this one, though some people may like it: Co good coasting. You can't really do it in this car, unless you pop it into neutral. Let your foot off the gas pedal, and there is always some engine braking present. You can upshift as far as it will allow you to go, but that's usually only 1 "gear" above the nominal ratio for the current speed. The Elantra coasted just fine. Let go of the gas, and the engine rpms went way down, and it just coasted freely. Not so with the Impreza.

- Only a 3-year/36,000 warranty, though they have plans that extend it out to a total of 6 years.
60k miles: $564
80k miles: $840
100k miles: $1282
I'm thinking of going for the $564 plan.

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The cruise control needs to be enabled each time the car is started. On the Elantra, the cruise control was enabled by a latching pushbutton.

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Using the front windshield defrost vent automatically switches the venting over to bring in outdoor air. I usually prefer recirculated air though, because 1) I might want warm air on the windshield, but I don't feel like getting a full hit of diesel exhaust from a bus in front of me, and 2) I like having the air blowing from that vent. It creates more of an ambient breeze, rather than a direct wind, and I don't have to fiddle with the air vanes on the vents - they can stay precisely directed at my hands on the wheel. Someone on a forum elsewhere hypothesized that they're doing this now because most people are too stupid to figure out why their windows are fogging when using recirculated air, so they don't even allow that ability anymore, which wouldn't surprise me. I don't know if this is something that can be modified, or if the physical layout of the vents would prevent defrosting with recirculated air.

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I'm not too impressed by the autodimming mirror: It is not nearly as sensitive to light as my vampiric eyes are, and it has no adjustments. At work, I said something once about how very bright the Conference Room is, but I just got a lot of "Huh? No it's not." responses. I think I can fool the thing by masking over the front-facing light sensor, but I haven't thought much about it, as I rarely drive at night, now that it's summer. I got the autodimmer because the dealer had a vehicle incoming that was very close to exactly what I wanted. Getting exactly what I wanted would have meant another 4-8 week wait, and my Elantra was already in the process of falling apart.

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I would have considered their Limited edition, but it comes with leather on everything. My primary thought on leather: It smells terrible, and just never stops. I very much prefer fabric for furnishings.

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The turning circle is 34.8', versus 32.5' for my Elantra. Oh well.

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Only 1 USB jack, so you need another device if you want to charge a device and play music off of something else. :eek;

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No standard 120V outlets. :p And for less than the price of Subaru's matches-the-car-interior inverter, I got a standalone sine wave inverter that can handle slightly more power, which also has a USB plug built right in. Ok, so it doesn't just slide neatly into a dedicated spot in the car's interior. Oh well.

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I think the wheels and tires are crafted to be of the "sporty" manner, which seems to be marketing lingo for "transfers bumps more effectively." This is likely partially a consequence of the 16" alloy wheels, versus the standard 15" steel wheels, thus the tires are a little bit thinner. It's not terrible though, and I've not done a side-by-side sort of comparison.

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I also haven't done a side-by-side comparison of this, but I'm going to say that the roof transfers more noise from rain than the Elantra did. Otherwise, it's not a noisy ride.

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The gas cap is not on the driver's side. :eek:

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There still aren't cars that have a heater around the gas cover. It sucks trying to get the stupid things open when every nook and cranny of a car is inundated with ice, thanks to Erie's insanity-inducing winters. But again, thanks to the warm winter, I didn't get much firsthand experience with ice formation.

- Like so many cars, this one doesn't allow you to defrost both the windshield and your hands at the same time. I have yet to be in a car that allows this. Defrost & feet? Sure. Hands & feet? Yup. Defrost & hands? That's just crazy.


Overall, it's been a good car for the several months I've had it. (I bought it on January 21st.) There are indeed some annoyances, gone over above, but they're mostly little more than just that.
There's nothing in there that makes me dread the idea of driving somewhere - that is of course due to having to deal with other drivers, and just the general tedium of driving. (Again, just my own opinion; I usually get bored by driving after the first 5 minutes of playing "keep the car between the painted lines." ;))




Update, March 7, 2014:
- I really wish the rear-window defroster was more powerful. My Elantra could have cooked 1/2"-thick bacon strips to a crisp on its rear window in the darkest, most frigid depths of February. The Impreza's can convince light snow to go sit somewhere else, but only after considerable negotiation.
- AWD is good. It handles nicely in the snow. Even on a snowy hill: Push gas pedal, car moves forward. The Elantra was never quite that obedient.
- I also like the CVT. Driving a regular geared automatic feels weird now with the pauses for shifting.
- It complains about -10°F weather less than I do, though it is a little bit sluggish to speed up when it's freshly started.
- The AWD does seem to leave this thing more prone to trying to fishtail in turns; I need to be careful about giving it gas. But the dynamic stability control system has thus far done an excellent job of correcting that, though I do try to avoid requiring its services.
- It's doing its job of being a car, and getting me to places I need to go. There's not a whole lot else that really comes to mind. And as far as I'm concerned, "It's quite functional" is pretty good praise. :)
 
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busydude

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Pretty awesome and detailed review, Jeff. :thumbsup:

I have one nitpick though(Not the content, but the presentation). Can you please leave some extra space between points and paragraphs, it was really hard to read when you are on a flow, thanks.
 

foghorn67

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The format actually worked on Tapatalk. Pleasant read. But yeah, normal web browsers, might want to heed busydude's advice.

Back on topic.

Amazing review. This is why I love forum reviews.
Plenty of info for cold climate guys.
 

Zap

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- Tire pressure monitoring, though I don't think you can avoid this on any vehicle anymore... Besides that, it looks like all they do is make it a pain if you want another set of wheels.

Yup, all cars from 2008 onwards (I think) are required to have some kind of TPMS.

Don't know about the 2012, but 2011 (and older) WRX models don't actually need wheels with TPMS. Sure, the idiot light on the dash stays lit, but nothing bad happens.

I have heard that some vehicles go into some kind of "limp mode" if it thinks you have low tire pressure.

- The cruise control needs to be enabled each time the car is started. On the Elantra, the cruise control was enabled by a latching pushbutton.

All my cars have been like that. o_O

- The turning circle is 34.8', versus 32.5' for my Elantra. Oh well.

My godmother mentioned something like that. She has a Volvo 840 (I think) station wagon as well as an early/mid-2000s Impreza hatchback, and the Impreza has a bigger turning radius. Maybe it is the AWD? IDK.
 

NutBucket

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Turning radius is due to the axles on the front wheels. Any RWD car (like a 7 series Volvo) can turn much tighter since the wheels can physically turn more.

Honestly, in reading your review your negative bullets would be fairly similar for any car in the same price range.

And of course, if you bought an Impreza expecting a luxurious ride, well..you know the results :p
 

Jeff7

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OP edited for better formatting. :)



Turning radius is due to the axles on the front wheels. Any RWD car (like a 7 series Volvo) can turn much tighter since the wheels can physically turn more.

Honestly, in reading your review your negative bullets would be fairly similar for any car in the same price range.

And of course, if you bought an Impreza expecting a luxurious ride, well..you know the results :p
Hey, as far as I'm concerned, this is a pretty nice car. Just keep in mind what I've had as a comparison though. ;)
It's sure no fancy $50k car with power-adjustable seats, or....I don't know what else they even have in them.

My 15-year-old Elantra did have a lot of those little usability features though - the fully independent selection of outside or recirculated air, the latching pushbuttons, and control knobs that gave proper tactile feedback as to their current status. You've got a machine that requires you to be looking in one place during its operation. Having controls elsewhere that also require visual attention doesn't seem like the best way to do it. I don't need to look at my turn signal lever, windshield wiper lever, or headlight knob to know what those systems are currently doing. (Though the wipers' operational status will admittedly be quite obvious. :p)

My #1 complaint that's left: It can't drive itself.
I'm waiting for a nice 3rd generation Google car, so that they've got some of the bugs worked out, or maybe something from another company. I don't necessarily want to have ads displayed all over the windshield and windows whenever I need to go somewhere. ;)
 

manimal

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I wish we had rep so I could + 11 the OP!



Great review man! Reviews like this should be put into a car review sticky.
 

NutBucket

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I understand your comparisons to the Elantra. My point is that almost every new car would have the same many of the "features" you dislike.

BTW, I don't think I have ever seen a car that can blow air from the dash and defrost at the same time.
 

dbk

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haha all your negatives are so minor.. good review. I love how this car looks in white paint
 
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Jeff7

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I understand your comparisons to the Elantra. My point is that almost every new car would have the same many of the "features" you dislike.
Ok.

BTW, I don't think I have ever seen a car that can blow air from the dash and defrost at the same time.
It's weird. I don't think there's any law of physics that prevents two air ducts from being used near to one another. Maybe it's something they hold out on so that they can use it as a selling point for high-end models. :D
"Amazing! Direct air like you've never done it before!"
"Oooooooh. Dear god, I will give you $15000 just for that feature alone!"



haha all your negatives are so minor.. good review. I love how this car looks in white paint
:)
The list may be long, but it's just any of the little stupid annoying things that I saw. For some people, those might matter, especially if you're more driven by that, rather than something like AWD and fuel economy.
The thought process there was something like "Oh yeah, AWD exists. I want that. But what's the fuel consumption going to be? Oh wow, the Impreza has AWD and its fuel economy is better than some of the FWD cars in its price range." And thus it moved quickly to the front of the pack. If I had only been looking at FWD cars that all had pretty similar gas mileage ratings, I probably would have looked more closely at the little nitpicky things.

AWD and good gas mileage though? That combination is not very common, and they were things I really wanted, so I was willing to ignore some of the other things. And as NutBucket said, some of them will probably be found across many different manufacturers anyway.



I wish we had rep so I could + 11 the OP!

Great review man! Reviews like this should be put into a car review sticky.
Thanks. :)
I also didn't do a review sooner because it's a thing that I want to last for quite a few years. Ten or more years would be nice, assuming someone doesn't come out with a cheap battery that can store several megawatt-hours for $500 and not carry the risk of a catastrophic detonation if anything goes slightly wrong, or assuming I don't somehow end up with a raise that triples my disposable income. Reviewing something like that after it's only a week old just wouldn't make sense, like the Amazon users who post a review of something before they've even turned it on.

Even this review is littered with caveats because of the warm winter. How much does the AWD help in snow? How much do the antilock brakes really help? Is the stability control useful? No idea. Anytime it did snow, it was very little, the ground was warm so most of it melted on contact, and it was entirely gone shortly afterward.

My idea of an ideal review time would be after the warranty period has expired. But, there are just a few tiny logistical problems with that sort of thing, particularly that the useful information is stuck in an unusable location in time.
 
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NutBucket

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It's weird. I don't think there's any law of physics that prevents two air ducts from being used near to one another. Maybe it's something they hold out on so that they can use it as a selling point for high-end models. :D
"Amazing! Direct air like you've never done it before!"
"Oooooooh. Dear god, I will give you $15000 just for that feature alone!"
You're right. It is likely just a result of how the air box in the dash is designed. I really can't see any other reason this airflow combination wouldn't be possible. But perhaps someone here will chime in with some scientific/logical explanation as to why it isn't done.
 

Kelvrick

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Some of your complaints are complaints you would have with any new cars. I have the same problem as you with defrost automatically bringing in outside car (unlike my old beloved 93 camry). Also with the defrosting the windows and having upper vents work.

I like my gas cap on the other side. Lets me go to the shorter lines on the double sided one directional gas stations.
 

ultimatebob

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I should do something like this on my 2012 Cruze... Assuming that it doesn't fall apart or become engulfed in flames before I get the recall done on it :)
 

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OP wouldn't happen to be an engineer by trade would he? :p

I say that in a loving way...engineers have such an analytical way of approaching things that many other people can't. They don't seem ooh'ed and aaah'ed by fancy little things, it's all about practical and logical functions of the vehicle.

I think there's some serious market for a "Car Reviews by Engineers" website. All stats...no crap. :)
 

brianmanahan

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OP wouldn't happen to be an engineer by trade would he? :p

I say that in a loving way...engineers have such an analytical way of approaching things that many other people can't. They don't seem ooh'ed and aaah'ed by fancy little things, it's all about practical and logical functions of the vehicle.

I think there's some serious market for a "Car Reviews by Engineers" website. All stats...no crap. :)

you should make this site! :wq
 

Jeff7

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OP wouldn't happen to be an engineer by trade would he? :p
Yes, I am. :)


I say that in a loving way...engineers have such an analytical way of approaching things that many other people can't. They don't seem ooh'ed and aaah'ed by fancy little things, it's all about practical and logical functions of the vehicle.

I think there's some serious market for a "Car Reviews by Engineers" website. All stats...no crap. :)
It makes it tough to shop for things. Too much fluffy marketing crap, not enough substance or useful information.
I've seen what happens when a marketing department tries to write a technical manual. It takes 10 pages to say one paragraph of information.
Or a simple pamphlet that's to answer "What does this thing do?" starts the answer out with an explanation of the history of the company, history of the product's predecessors, and a lengthy statement about how the company itself is more awesome than a statue of Tesla that's made of crack which has been spun into cotton candy. But I still don't know what the stupid thing does!


I can only wonder why Douglas Adams included marketing executives among those placed on the Golgafrinchans' doomed B-Ark in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :hmm:
 
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Zap

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I can only wonder why Douglas Adams included marketing executives among those placed on the Golgafrinchans' doomed B-Ark in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. :hmm:

Alongside telephone cleaners. :whiste: