New build, parts recommendations

KingLou

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Hey guys. You were all extremely helpful with my last build so I am hoping for some direction again. I have built probably 10 pcs, so I am familiar with the process but I haven't stayed up on brands and where the price/performance sweet spots are. My brother is asking me to build him a new PC and I would like to maximize his $$.

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Gaming...and just general media, Internet, etc.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

$1500

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

US

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
We can't be expected to scour the internet on your behalf, chasing down deals in your specific country... Again, help us, help YOU.

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

I want this to be an intel processor build. I tend to prefer nVidia, but I'm not opposed to ATI cards.

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

Fresh build. Not reusing anything.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

No over clocking. Looking for good performance, but long term stability.

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?

1920x1080 at the moment, but he may go higher.

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.

Immediately

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?

Windows 7 planned for the OS. No other software requirements.


He has requested:
A cool, but quiet case.
SSD drive plus a 1 tb storage drive. He doesn't download a lot of media so 1tb is plenty for his needs.
At least 8 gigs ram. (Is any more than that even useful at this time?)
The other thing to point out is that he does NOT upgrade PCs often or even bother changing out parts. His current PC that I built for him he used for 10 years. So the goal is to make the most of his $1500 with "upgrading" parts later not a point of interest.

I look forward to your recommendations. Thank you!
 

NewYorksFinest

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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2192841

Upgrade the i5-4670K to an i7-4770 (4770 dosent support Overclocking)

Upgrade to 8GB of DDR3-1866 (16GB might be overkill for only gaming.)

Upgrade PSU to 750-800 Watts

Buy Fractal Design Define R4

Upgrade to GTX 780: you can max out most games with a cheaper GTX 770, but if going to 1440p or higher, the 780 will be useful.

Buy a 250GB Samsung 840EVO
 

KingLou

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Awesome. Thank you. With the i7 and a gtx770 it came in a hair under $1500 after rebates and this will serve his purposes well.
 

lehtv

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Gtx 770 is a bit underpowered for a $1400 gaming tower. Get at least n r9 290/gtx 780. I can comment more later today
 

mfenn

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http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2192841

Upgrade the i5-4670K to an i7-4770 (4770 dosent support Overclocking)

Upgrade to 8GB of DDR3-1866 (16GB might be overkill for only gaming.)

Upgrade PSU to 750-800 Watts

Buy Fractal Design Define R4

Upgrade to GTX 780: you can max out most games with a cheaper GTX 770, but if going to 1440p or higher, the 780 will be useful.

Buy a 250GB Samsung 840EVO

Some of those changes take my build from something that is good value to something that isn't as good.

OP, here's what I would do in your situation:

i5 4590 + ASUS DVD Burner combo $212
ASRock H97M Pro4 $82 - don't need full ATX for a non-upgrading system
Crucial DDR3 1600 16GB $140 - 16GB may not be necessary now, but he'll want it down the line
MSI GTX 780 $470 AR
Crucial M500 240GB $120 - 5-year warranty
WD Blue 1TB $60
Rosewill Capstone 750W $70 AR AP - somewhat overkill on capacity, but a good quality unit for a nice price, 7-year warranty
Corsair 350D $80 AR
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $100
Total: $1334 AR AP
 
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riversend

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OP, does he already have the monitor? Or is that a separate budget for all peripherals?
 

Essence_of_War

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Yikes, I would not spend +$100 over mfenn's PSU for no added value.

Also, you can save ~$20 if you get the same 780 from amazon for $483 AR rather than from the egg. Still get Watch Dogs, also. But personally, I'd rather get the tri-fan PNY 780 for $440, AR
 

mfenn

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Nice find on the CPU + DVD combo, 100MHz more for the same price sounds good to me.

The rest of your selections are lacking however. In particular, the RAM, GPU, SSD, and PSU add significant cost without being better than the ones I listed. The case costs more, but it is a reasonable choice and largely comes down to personal preference.
 

NewYorksFinest

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Nice find on the CPU + DVD combo, 100MHz more for the same price sounds good to me.

The rest of your selections are lacking however. In particular, the RAM, GPU, SSD, and PSU add significant cost without being better than the ones I listed. The case costs more, but it is a reasonable choice and largely comes down to personal preference.

The only reason why I found that combo was I misclicked while searching for a motherboard...originally using i5-4670.

The RAM is only $5 more for 1600Mhz to 1866Mhz. IMO, I feel a decent speed boost between the two.

Everyone always says Samsung SSDs are faster. I have owned a Crucial drive and an 840EVO, and I perfer the the Samsung. It is only $10 expensiver for 10GB more.

Personally, I don't like MSI or PNY GPUs. The only Nvidia brand I like is EVGa while Radeon personal favorites are XFX and Sapphire. Also, the EVGA has a longer warranty

The OP said they like quiet. IMO, the Fractal Design Define R4 is the quietest case right now, and also MY favorite.

JMHO.

Now, the power supply I rushed in. I had to walk my dog so I searched PSU on Newegg and took the first 750W+ I found.



Also, OP, the case dosent come with free Windows. Typo...it comes with a windows in the case.
 

mfenn

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The RAM is only $5 more for 1600Mhz to 1866Mhz. IMO, I feel a decent speed boost between the two.

Just saying something is your opinion doesn't mean its a valid recommendation. Do you have any benchmarks to back up your claim?

Everyone always says Samsung SSDs are faster. I have owned a Crucial drive and an 840EVO, and I perfer the the Samsung. It is only $10 expensiver for 10GB more.

"Everyone always says" is not a valid basis for asking somebody to spend more money. Any benchmarks?

Personally, I don't like MSI or PNY GPUs. The only Nvidia brand I like is EVGa while Radeon personal favorites are XFX and Sapphire. Also, the EVGA has a longer warranty

I'm with Essence here. Do you have any data to support your opinion?
 

NewYorksFinest

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http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

For $5 more, the DDR3-1866 performs well, better than 1600.




http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-840-Evo-250GB-vs-Crucial-M500-240GB/1594vs1551

The 840EVO smashes the M500. Also, the M500 is from 2012, so for $10 more, it seems worth it. You are also getting 10 more GB.



Whenever I buy MSI, PowerColor GPUs, I always have some problem. I never get frame rates as I do with EVGA. I lose 5-10 frames in BF4 with using a non EVGA brand with NVIDIA. Also, this isn't a budget build. You get the best warranty in the business AMD the best support. I had some "excellent" support with MSI :rolleyes:.
 

mfenn

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http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

For $5 more, the DDR3-1866 performs well, better than 1600.

Those benchmarks are CAS 9 for DDR3 1600 and DDR3 1866, the kit you are recommending is CAS 10. Which can easily account for the ~1-2% difference shown in those charts.

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-840-Evo-250GB-vs-Crucial-M500-240GB/1594vs1551

The 840EVO smashes the M500. Also, the M500 is from 2012, so for $10 more, it seems worth it. You are also getting 10 more GB.

If the price difference were $10, then I would agree. As it stands, the M500 is the better value for normal workloads.

Whenever I buy MSI, PowerColor GPUs, I always have some problem. I never get frame rates as I do with EVGA. I lose 5-10 frames in BF4 with using a non EVGA brand with NVIDIA. Also, this isn't a budget build. You get the best warranty in the business AMD the best support. I had some "excellent" support with MSI :rolleyes:.

Anecdotes are not evidence.
 

Essence_of_War

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Whenever I buy MSI, PowerColor GPUs, I always have some problem. I never get frame rates as I do with EVGA. I lose 5-10 frames in BF4 with using a non EVGA brand with NVIDIA. Also, this isn't a budget build. You get the best warranty in the business AMD the best support. I had some "excellent" support with MSI :rolleyes:.

MSI, PC, PNY et al all get the same Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Unless there is a problem with their third party coolers, and there are occasionally (your beloved XFX had issues with the AMD 7XXX series), their performance is dependent on:
1) Factory OC
2) If they're able to hit their boost targets consistently
And that's basically it. There is no magic. You're making up a story about your BF4 frame rates, and your reasoning for avoiding PNY and MSI is poor.
 

KingLou

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Thank you for all the responses guys. He has a monitor already, so the budget is just for the PC parts alone (and Win 7 os).

I tend toward eVGA myself for my own builds....but I do usually end up paying more for it. And I don't really know if its worth it. Had some sour experiences with PNY many years ago....but I will defer to the expertise here, and let my bro make his own decisions. You guys have built me some solid boxes with your past recommendations.
 

KingLou

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What are the differences between the different processor recommendations? i5-4670, i7-4770, i5-4590?? I'm assuming the differences are not enough to be noticeable in typical use by the average user?
 

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What are the differences between the different processor recommendations? i5-4670, i7-4770, i5-4590?? I'm assuming the differences are not enough to be noticeable in typical use by the average user?

i5 means it has four physical cores. i7 means it has four physical cores with hyperthreading. (This applies to desktop processors, not mobile processors. And the enthusiast platform LGA2011 has i7 processors with 6 cores.)

HT provides 4 extra processing threads that are considerably weaker than actual cores but will boost performance in heavily multithreaded applications and games. With the budget and requirements you've stated, I'd recommend sticking with an i5.

The various number designations like 4570 etc., indicate processor generation in the first number (4 stands for 4th gen = Haswell), and performance bracket in the following three numbers. The higher the number, the higher the clock speed, e.g. 4670>4570>4430, generally speaking. The differences in clock speed are fairly small, however, ranging from 3GHz on the slowest part to 3.5GHz on the fastest one - a difference that's fairly hard to notice, but still worth paying extra for in a high performance PC.

The K at the end of 4670K and 4770K tells you the part has an unlocked multiplier which allows you to overclock it on motherboards that support multiplier adjustment (any motherboard with a Z tier chipset, Z97 being the newest).

And how are PNY Optima Series SSDs? Tiger Direct has a 240gb right now for $89.99.

That's a very nice deal. Newegg also has it for $90 AR. It looks like a fairly decent mainstream part, I'd jump on it given that all other SSDs at that capacity are $110+ right now.
 
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KingLou

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$90.92 for the PNY 240gb ssd and a 7 slot all in one card reader after rebate and email promo. Seems to be the way to go there. Basically getting the card reader free.
 

KingLou

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It was a promo code emailed to me.

But I will take your advice on the ram.


How about a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-x overclocked for $359.99 shipped (Tiger Direct "slasher deal"....10 hours or till sold out)? Worth saving $100 over the gtx 780?
 

lehtv

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Definitely worth saving $100. It's the same speed with more VRAM. Actually it's probably a bit faster than GTX 780.
 

KingLou

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i5 4590 + ASUS DVD Burner combo $212
ASRock H97M Pro4 $82
Crucial DDR3 1600 16GB $130
WD Blue 1TB $60
Rosewill Capstone 750W $70 AR AP
Corsair 350D $80 AR
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit $90 after email promo code

So far I'm looking at the above, plus:

Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-x for $359.99 from Tigerdirect
PNY Optima Series 240gb SSD + 7 slot multi card reader for $90.92 from Tigerdirect
Hyper 212 Evo for $30 AR from Newegg (and Arctic Silver 5 for $9).

Total is coming in right at $1260 shipped after rebates.

Thoughts?
 
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