New bugs introduced with the 3.4 drivers.

[aggressor]

Vice City is now screwed up.

http://home.wi.rr.com/aggybong/vc.gif
http://home.wi.rr.com/aggybong/vc2.gif
http://home.wi.rr.com/aggybong/vc3.gif

What other new bugs have you guys found?

 

[edm]

well this would suck. i'm going to install them tonight and will be testing them with Vice city. I'll let you know..

 

[Rogozhin]

Over at rage3d they are saying that the game's cache might be messing with the new drivers

They are suggesting saving your games and deleting the game then reinstalling.

Before you say it's a bug you need to eliminate any variable other than the driver, that means proably doing a clean install of the drivers, game, and even OS before you make a statement that a driver is buggy.

rogo

 

[Rogozhin]

I just had to do that with my geforce 4 ti4400.

rogo

 

[aggressor]

Already reinstalled Vice City. And reinstall the OS, just so I can install new drivers? Please. ATI needs to learn how to write drivers if users suggest something that extreme.

 

[Killrose]

Report the bug to Ati. They are interested in fixing issues and they could possibly have a better work around than re-installing your OS, which I never do for upgrading my Ati drivers ever.

 

[Rogozhin]

Or the vice city boys need to learn how to code a game.

You are using a logical fallacy fella (principo prencippi) irrelevant conclusion.

Reviewers use fresh OS installes on all machines when doing driver benchmarks-wonder why?

rogo

 

[Megatomic]

This is funny. FanATIcs always blame everything EXCEPT the drivers when they are having game problems. Weak++.

 

[kylebisme]

weak is rockstars ati support. however, with these new drivers a i can finaly run vc above 1600x1200 without the intro locking up; here's hopeing the rest of the game works that well. now if only i could play without popup, and without haveing to keep the frame limiter on just to keep the popup down.

 

[Rogozhin]

I'm not having problems

It's still a logical fallacy to blame the drivers without isolation all other possible causes.

rogo

 

[Guspaz]

I've had Detonator drivers nuke my machine too. Why blame ATI or nVidia specifically? Changing drivers around is a risky procedure by nature; sometimes, things go wrong.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Hey, its never the users fault as long as we can blame the manufacturer!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Hey, its never the users fault as long as we can blame the manufacturer!

 

[Genx87]

Oh ya it has to be the developers fault. Because this is happening on every single card not just the ATi cards using Cat 3.4s

That is a riot.

Now I have to admit to not owning an ATi card in forever. But why in the hell do people need to reinstall thier OS to change out a figgin video driver? Is this normal operating procedure for Cat drivers? If so I am really sorry.

 

[boyRacer]

Mine's flawless... ...so were all my Detonators... never had a game that puked on ati or nvidia...

 

[CraigRT]

This thread is for the people who say ATI's drivers are just as good as NVidia's.... they are not, and i doubt they ever will be... This wouldn't happen on a GF4... mind you, the GF4 is not as fast...

don't get me wrong, i love my 9700 Pro, but I am alot more comfortable with NVidia's drivers.

 

[Rogozhin]

I had corrupt driver installs on my two geforce 4s and none on either of my radeons, therefore nvidia's drivers are less stable and ati's much much better.

another logical fallacy just the reverse (but true about the g4s and radeons).

rogo

 

[Rogozhin]

All I'm proposing is that BEFORE you conclude that a vendors drivers are shatty you better be damn sure it's not a conflict within your system-and this requires (if all else fails) a fresh OS install regardless of the vendor-(I've done it for nvidia).

As I suggested earlier

Completely unsinstall the game-manually remove the system folder and then delete the registry keys-then reinstall the new drivers by removing them through the control panel (along with the ati control panel), reboot, delete the ati folder in the primary harddrive, remove all the ati.dll files in the system 32 folder, then use regcleaner to delete all the ati registry keys, reboot, defrag, and install new driver, reboot, then install control panel, reboot and you should be fine.

I did this with my nvidia cards too changing between dets and i still had problems.

rogo

 

[edm]

Just finsished playing some Vice City with the 3.4's installed (9700 NP). Played for an hour or so and had no problems like that what so ever.

 

[aggressor]

Was the frame limiter on or off? With it on, I have zero problems, but then I am capped at 30fps.

3.2s let me use frame limiter off without problems, which allowed much higher frame rates.

And for all of you saying user error...I highly doubt it unless the error is my unwillingness to completely reinstall my OS because I want to upgrade my drivers.

This is my very first ATI card after using 3dfx\nVidia, and I never had a problem with those cards. So far I am not impressed in the least.
It's too bad nVidia fell behind this round :\

 

[bgeh]

guess i'm staying put with my cat 3.1

 

[edm]

aggressor, no, my frame limiter is off. was getting a smooth 60-120 fps at 1600x1200.

Not sure if it would help, but have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling the drivers and the control panel?

 

[aggressor]

I've reinstalled the game, reinstalled the drivers, used reg\file cleaners for ATI cards, and nothing has worked.

 

[Viper96720]

Did you delete everything you could related to the game? I remember GTA3 being buggy when it was first released. Now you having problems with vice city. If you had no
problems with the 3.2's just use them instead.

 

[kylebisme]

what os are you running edm?

i wound up seeing some low spots in the framerate so i bumped the rez back to 1280x960. i also had some lockups at high res again so i switched to win98 compatibility mode which did not lock up at all and lets me play with the framelimiter off without the texturing issues. however, in compatibility mode i do get the same problems as aggressor occasionally as well as messed up menus; but a quick esc to menu and back, sometimes a few times, and that goes away.

oh and aggressor, gta3 and now vice city have always been horrible on anything but an nvidia card; i understand it is frustrating but i don't think you should take it as par for ati drivers, this is really the only big issue i have ever had with them. on the other hand i do recommend sending concerned emails to rockstar who really needs to work with ati to patch both gta3 and vc to overcome these issues.


oh ya i should point out that sounds are a bit screwy in the cutseens on copatablity mode for me, but the high rez and high framerate without lockups and minimal popup make it worth while in my opinion.