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New border laws...unconstitutional or justified?

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Fausto

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Federal agents in border states now have essentially unlimited freedom to question, detain, and search anyone for essentially any reason within 100 miles of the border (which comprises most of Michigan, BTW). Federal agents also now may fingerprint and photograph persons entering the country who were born or hold citizenship in the five "terrorist sponsoring" countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria (Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent despite being home to several of the 9/11 hijackers
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).

Story on the new powers granted to federal border agents.

The U.S. National Security Entry Exit Registration System.

Discuss.
 
Originally posted by: Que-TiP
sounds inconvenient, but in all honesty...if you're doing nothing wrong, why get so upset?
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Why do people always say this? Giving up freedoms like this only leads to giving up more freedoms till we have none left.
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Federal agents in border states now have essentially unlimited freedom to question, detain, and search anyone for essentially any reason within 100 miles of the border (which comprises most of Michigan, BTW). Federal agents also now may fingerprint and photograph persons entering the country who were born or hold citizenship in the five "terrorist sponsoring" countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria (Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent despite being home to several of the 9/11 hijackers
rolleye.gif
).

Story on the new powers granted to federal border agents.

The U.S. National Security Entry Exit Registration System.

Discuss.
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While I don't like the idea of detaining and questioning people near the border for any reason, non-citizens are not necessarily guaranteed the same constitutional rights as citizens.

However, thorough background checks on those entering our country is necessary to ensure that they are who they say they are and that they do not intend the U.S. any harm. Think credit checks.

 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Federal agents in border states now have essentially unlimited freedom to question, detain, and search anyone for essentially any reason within 100 miles of the border (which comprises most of Michigan, BTW). Federal agents also now may fingerprint and photograph persons entering the country who were born or hold citizenship in the five "terrorist sponsoring" countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria (Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent despite being home to several of the 9/11 hijackers
rolleye.gif
).

Story on the new powers granted to federal border agents.

The U.S. National Security Entry Exit Registration System.

Discuss.
Click to expand...

While I don't like the idea of detaining and questioning people near the border for any reason, non-citizens are not necessarily guaranteed the same constitutional rights as citizens.

However, thorough background checks on those entering our country is necessary to ensure that they are who they say they are and that they do not intend the U.S. any harm. Think credit checks.
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The first bit applies to citizens as well as non-citizens. You're technically fair game for any reason within 100 miles of a border.

 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Federal agents in border states now have essentially unlimited freedom to question, detain, and search anyone for essentially any reason within 100 miles of the border (which comprises most of Michigan, BTW). Federal agents also now may fingerprint and photograph persons entering the country who were born or hold citizenship in the five "terrorist sponsoring" countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria (Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent despite being home to several of the 9/11 hijackers
rolleye.gif
).

Story on the new powers granted to federal border agents.

The U.S. National Security Entry Exit Registration System.


Discuss.
Click to expand...

While I don't like the idea of detaining and questioning people near the border for any reason, non-citizens are not necessarily guaranteed the same constitutional rights as citizens.

However, thorough background checks on those entering our country is necessary to ensure that they are who they say they are and that they do not intend the U.S. any harm. Think credit checks.
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The first bit applies to citizens as well as non-citizens. You're technically fair game for any reason within 100 miles of a border.
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Hence the me not liking it part.
 
Who cares ther're just a bunch of mexicans, I'm blond hair and blue eyes and drive a F-350, They just wave me on though😀






 
Originally posted by: Que-TiP
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Roughly how much of MI is within the fed border agent's "jurisdiction".

Que-Tip: you will note that this includes Troy. Have fun.
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Is this something new? I haven't seen any border patrol at all. And I do plenty of 2am driving.
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Unlike local and state police agencies, federal border patrol agents at checkpoints do not need probable cause or a traffic violation to stop and question drivers. Though the checkpoints can be as far as 100 miles from an international border or shoreline, they are, in many ways, legal extensions of international border crossings where the rules are different. In Michigan, that 100-mile checkpoint zone encompasses most of the state.

Border patrol officials in Michigan said that for now, they have no plans to set up checkpoints beyond 25 miles of the shoreline. So far, the checkpoints are confined to areas around Port Huron and Trenton. And unlike Southwest border checkpoints, there are no drug-sniffing dogs at Michigan checkpoints because of a lack of resources.

 
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