new ATi card by the end of this month!
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once anand releases his specs, the card usually comes out 1-3 weeks later.
holy crap dude. 55,000 posts?!?!
holy crap dude. 55,000 posts?!?!
"TSMC has done an excellent job of delivering on yields and speeds," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President of ATI's PC Business Unit. "As ever, they've proven themselves an excellent manufacturing partner as we ramp up some of the most advanced technology consumers have ever seen."
I find this classic.....what with 3 retapes? Good yields? Does delay ring a bell? LOL!!!!! Sounds like BS all around
I am sure they likely will be more like the x1800pros and GTs and what nots....hard to tell on the XT, which likely will be the one that equals nvidias best or surpasses it. Will it also be on stores shelves in quantities? That is the real question.....
It is just a vague artcile with not much product specifics..
I find this classic.....what with 3 retapes? Good yields? Does delay ring a bell? LOL!!!!! Sounds like BS all around
I am sure they likely will be more like the x1800pros and GTs and what nots....hard to tell on the XT, which likely will be the one that equals nvidias best or surpasses it. Will it also be on stores shelves in quantities? That is the real question.....
It is just a vague artcile with not much product specifics..
Just for the record...the X800GTO is proving to be quite the bargain blaster. It's roughly $220 and can be unlocked to X850XTPE level (16 pipes).
Actually that makes sense if you understand the situation. :laugh:
First gpus on 90nm, so its tricky for TSMC. Getting good yeilds and ramping up production are both an achievement for TSMC. Give them credit when its due rather than jumping the BS bandwagon.
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Actually that makes sense if you understand the situation. :laugh:
First gpus on 90nm, so its tricky for TSMC. Getting good yeilds and ramping up production are both an achievement for TSMC. Give them credit when its due rather than jumping the BS bandwagon.
Honestly I didn't hear about that number of retaping going on with Nvidia....So maybe they just are not as good as the rest.
Someone else must have thought this was excessive or they wouldn't have announced a launch date to only have to repeatedly delay it...have to annouce to stock holders of additional financial impact...
NOthing seems to suggest that was expected....
NO jumping on bandwagon here...call them as I see them.....
videogames101
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When did Nvidia move to 90nm and when did ATI move to 90nm ? What you are saying is that "we can go to the moon easily now" but that wasnt the case back in the 60s.Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Actually that makes sense if you understand the situation. :laugh:
First gpus on 90nm, so its tricky for TSMC. Getting good yeilds and ramping up production are both an achievement for TSMC. Give them credit when its due rather than jumping the BS bandwagon.
Honestly I didn't hear about that number of retaping going on with Nvidia....So maybe they just are not as good as the rest.
Someone else must have thought this was excessive or they wouldn't have announced a launch date to only have to repeatedly delay it...have to annouce to stock holders of additional financial impact...
NOthing seems to suggest that was expected....
NO jumping on bandwagon here...call them as I see them.....
You didnt "see them" properly in the first case.
Ronin
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1. nVidia hasn't moved to the 90nm process yet.
2. I think October is still a safer bet for any new ATi product (first week, perhaps, but still October).
3. I'm not really comfortable about shelf availability, either.
2. I think October is still a safer bet for any new ATi product (first week, perhaps, but still October).
3. I'm not really comfortable about shelf availability, either.
Ronin
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I don't need to research. They're still on the 120nm process, bud. YOU should do some research. The G70 is a 120nm product.
Ouch ! I feel your pain.
1. G70 is a 110nm gpu.
2. Nvidia has moved to 90nm, they have 90nm gpus "up and running".
You should do your research before claiming you dont need it.
mooncancook
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Having something up and running is not the same as "move to". When you say "move to" it should mean that they can mass produce it. It's like saying Intel has moved to 45nm because they have a 45nm CPU running in their lab.
but anyway, was the 6800 Go a 110nm or 90nm chip?
You are right "move to" could have meant:
a) Discontinue products based on older processes.
b) Mass produce products on new process.
or the one I meant:
c) Move towards new processes for development.
Maybe I should have been more clear but still Nvidia "moved to" 90nm process later than ATI.
Ronin, the new GeForce 6100 and 6150 are 90nm. I'm not sure if RSX is in production yet, but it's obviously not for sale, which is probably why you didn't mention it. Yeah, the 6100 and 6150 aren't out yet, either, but we're talking weeks, not months away.
moon, 6800go is 110nm.
Duvie, why so harsh on the PR? Do you know whether or not TMSC is a good manufacturing partner or not? Advanced usually means complicated, so why do you expect a huge chip with a large amount of transistors (without as many dedicated to memory, as with CPUs) to transition easily to a relatively untested (well, for companies without their own fabs) process? Where do you get your info that says the XT will be the only R520 to match the GTX? Vague sources without many product specifics?
If this is you calling 'em as you see 'em, consider glasses. ATI has said RV515 and RV530, both also 90nm, taped out with few problems. R520 was the one with a soft ground issue, and thus required a few tapeouts. Companies typically release their high-end first to increase sales of their low-end via the halo effect, so ATI probably decided to wait till R520 was ready.
Edit: Greenman, TMSC isn't all 90nm. They have more than one process node, as evidenced by the fact that X850XT is 130nm, X800XL and 7800GT/X are 110nm, and now ATI and nV chips are ramping at 90nm. Just b/c ATI is ramping 90nm chips doesn't necessarily mean nV is--though they are, as I said above.
C Thug, nice catch on the date. I was totally focused on the 50% higher clocks part.
moon, 6800go is 110nm.
Duvie, why so harsh on the PR? Do you know whether or not TMSC is a good manufacturing partner or not? Advanced usually means complicated, so why do you expect a huge chip with a large amount of transistors (without as many dedicated to memory, as with CPUs) to transition easily to a relatively untested (well, for companies without their own fabs) process? Where do you get your info that says the XT will be the only R520 to match the GTX? Vague sources without many product specifics?
If this is you calling 'em as you see 'em, consider glasses.
ATI has said RV515 and RV530, both also 90nm, taped out with few problems. R520 was the one with a soft ground issue, and thus required a few tapeouts. Companies typically release their high-end first to increase sales of their low-end via the halo effect, so ATI probably decided to wait till R520 was ready. Edit: Greenman, TMSC isn't all 90nm. They have more than one process node, as evidenced by the fact that X850XT is 130nm, X800XL and 7800GT/X are 110nm, and now ATI and nV chips are ramping at 90nm. Just b/c ATI is ramping 90nm chips doesn't necessarily mean nV is--though they are, as I said above.
C Thug, nice catch on the date. I was totally focused on the 50% higher clocks part.
Originally posted by: crazydingo
Ouch ! I feel your pain.
1. G70 is a 110nm gpu.
2. Nvidia has moved to 90nm, they have 90nm gpus "up and running".
You should do your research before claiming you dont need it.
OUCH!
apoppin
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Ronin
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Nice attitude, punk. It's still not 90nm, now is it?
As far as the 6100/6150 is concerned, do you have one in your hands? I thought not. Simply put, until it reaches market, saying nVidia has successfully moved to the 90nm process isn't entirely valid...yet. I certainly hope that's the case, for their sake, and the consumer's.
johnnqq: With your massive 4 months of time here, I would suggest you keep that poor attitude you have to yourself.
My mistake in saying 120nm. I did, in fact, mean 110nm (as we well know, the 6200/6600 were 110nm products as well, so it would stand to reason that the 7800 would be as well).
I never claimed it was.
You posted factually incorrect information, I corrected it.
Sounds like you are a bit afraid of the 6100 chipsets. Why? Integrated Graphics always blow goats and no serious gamer would even consider them, regardless of the manufacturer, the process, or the naming convention. And I don't expect 6100 to change that in any significant way.
My point is that no one cares if it is 90nm, 110nm, or 130nm. We're looking for the best of the best and process technology doesn't mean squat (look at the Prescott...)
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