New AMD Jaguar-based $250 Win8 touch laptops threaten Android Chromebooks

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The news from IFA electronics trade show regarding AMD Jaguar-based (Temash/Kabini) laptops requires some translation because it originates in Berlin, Germany.

Since Asus just announced a new "netbook" type touchscreen laptop model X102BA (weighing just 1.1 kg or 2.4 pounds), the pricing on English news sites just mentioned low cost and the Anandtech announcement conjectured about pricing in the $350 to $400 range. Direct correspondents in Berlin indicate the price will be around 300 euros or in the $250 range.

Given that bare bones Chromebooks are in that price range, the arrival of very low cost Windows laptops based on AMD's Jaguar likely threaten their very existence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NToWwdbUOUs

http://www.mobilegeeks.de/asus-x102...-fuer-windows-8-1-mit-amd-plattform-hands-on/

 

SiliconWars

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300 euros is $395. It would be pretty amazing at $250 but not much chance of that with Windows I'm afraid.
 

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300 euros is $395. It would be pretty amazing at $250 but not much chance of that with Windows I'm afraid.

The reporter/reviewer in the Mobile video says $250 or even less. He mentions pricing in the 35 seconds to 75 seconds mark.

If you click on "show more" on the video, the laptop price is listed as $250.
 

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Well $395 isn't that bad. If it had a fruit logo on it, it'd be $700+.

As fun as it is to hate on Apple, I have yet to see a competitor match Apple's MacBook Air pricing to any equivalent product.

Besides, Netbooks are a totally different league. None of these are shipping with SSD's and don't have the high build quality of Ultrabooks.
 

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Better check your math. One euro is about 1.32 dollars, making 300 euros almost 400.00 dollars.

It doesn't work like that. The tax in Europe is much higher (depends somewhat on country of course, but in general). Real sales price in the US is likely $350 if it's €300 in Europe.
 
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With all those new low-cost x86 CPUs and devices - I wonder if Microsoft will be able and will be willing to make Windows snappier and more light-weight.
I mean Windows 8/8.1 is snappier than Windows 7, but there is still much work to be done.
Same go for Linux - when talking about graphical enviroments that are put at frontlines of most popular distros (GNOME, KDE, etc).
 

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That s with VAT included , 20% on average in the EU ,
hence 250 VAT less.
 

AtenRa

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Around 5 hours playing 720p video, nice. It will have more than 6-7 hours of battery life on idle.

One more thing, he said $250 (Dollars) but because he mentioned that the Netbook was going to be released in Europe i believe he meant to say 250 Euros.
 

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I don't see why they can't sell Jaguar based netbooks for around $300... that was possible years ago with Atom...
 

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It doesn't work like that. The tax in Europe is much higher (depends somewhat on country of course, but in general). Real sales price in the US is likely $350 if it's €300 in Europe.
Actually, they're about equal - for instance iPad mini is $320 in America and 320€ in Europe and that's about standard for all electronics
 

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Actually, they're about equal - for instance iPad mini is $320 in America and 320€ in Europe and that's about standard for all electronics

Apple is comparatively cheaper. An nexus 7 2013 16gb is 250
 

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Nice netbook. Pity. Ordered a Samsung Ativ Smart PC Pro (XE700T1C-A02NL) a week ago. Should have waited. Ah well.....next time. I wanted a replacement for my Acer Aspire One 522-C6Dkk netbook. The problem with this 1 is you cannot use the apps. The vertical resolution is 720. Win8 wants 768 lines. So I have to use Windows 7 instead of the much nicer Windows 8 OS. Soon to be 8.1....cannot wait. I will run VMWare to use 7 for my RFID applications@clients. They won't run on 8. Companies are always slow in rewriting application software for new OS'es.
 
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blackened23

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Well $395 isn't that bad. If it had a fruit logo on it, it'd be $700+.

This really isn't true at all. First, because Apple doesn't sell low quality junk. I'm not saying the product in this thread is low quality, but it is without question an underpowered machine which is priced low for a REASON. Additionally, let's talk about Apple's prices: If you compare BOM across various products, and using similar quality materials, Apple doesn't really charge more than anyone else. With educational discounts the MBA starts at around 800$. That is right in line with Ultrabooks with SSDs. The only ultrabooks that are cheaper are using lower quality materials with platter HDDs.

Of course, the entire issue with the Windows ecosystem is that the likes of Dell, HP, etc are all trying to shove low quality garbage down your throat. Ultrabooks with HDMI that don't support higher than 1080p. Low quality keyboards. Trackpads that barely work (unlike the excellent trackpad on the MBA/MBP). 5400 RPM platter HDDs are the norm with Windows ultrabooks, not the exception. Would much rather have a smaller PCIE SSD - which, BTW, only Apple is offering PCIE SSDs in the MBA with read/write speeds over 800MBPs. I have searched high and low for a Windows ultrabook that doesn't, frankly, SUCK. I have not found one yet. The only one that comes close - don't laugh - is Acer Aspire R7. It's pretty sad that Acer is doing better than Dell and HP. Lenovo high end ultrabooks are decent but their trackpads leave a lot to be desired, and only their business ultrabooks are good - and they're expensive. More expensive than Apple products.

Let's take the example one step further with phones. Unsubsidized premium phones are all roughly the same price - the iphone 5 is actually cheaper than the HTC One (or very close) and is definitely cheaper than the Samsung Galaxy S4. Of course subsidized prices vary, though - i'm not a fan of subsidized phones because contract prices through carriers (for data) are absurd in the states.

It's easy to hate on Apple. I admit, I used to be the same way - the prevalent thought among Windows users is that they're obligated to despise Apple. I fell into the same trap for the long time. However, my opinion complete changed once I spent a lot of hands on with their macbooks - their products really do sell well for a reason: they're all very exceptionally high quality products. Apple does not throw low quality junk on the market such as Dell, HP, and other Windows manufacturers. It's quite sad because I would *much* prefer staying on the Windows side without having to use bootcamp, but Apple products are just better in terms of portable computers - the Retina Macbook Pro in particular is *yet* to be matched by anyone in terms of quality.
 
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With all of the above said, back to the topic. I think this machine is going to be fairly nice given that the price is right in line with the Chromebook. The chromebook, thus far, has sold 17 gabillion units and that is precisely because most users use only media consumption and basic internet tasks, which the chromebook excels at.

I think this machine will sell very well. We shall see what happens.
 

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If the Chromebook did Skype, I might get one. But until then, I have no use for it.

Not to mention, Google and the NSA going through your data.
 
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It doesn't work like that. The tax in Europe is much higher (depends somewhat on country of course, but in general). Real sales price in the US is likely $350 if it's €300 in Europe.

300.00 euros minus 20% is 240 euros, times 1.3 conversion rate is around 315.00 dollars, or around 350.00 like you said. Point is, 250.00 like the OP said is clearly impossible.

If the performance and battery life were good enough though, that is still not bad.

In regards to the chrome book, I would not even consider it. I have seen them in best buy, and they look really nice. They look just as nice as an ultrabook that costs 3x as much, so I can see why one would buy it. I just wonder how many people are disappointed when they find out how limited it is.
 

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I don't see why they can't sell Jaguar based netbooks for around $300... that was possible years ago with Atom...


Another mini touch Win8 notebook/netbook shown at IFA was the MSI S12T with AMD quad and dual core Kabini options. Price not specified, but probably will be around $325-$375 range.


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300.00 euros minus 20% is 240 euros, times 1.3 conversion rate is around 315.00 dollars, or around 350.00 like you said. Point is, 250.00 like the OP said is clearly impossible.

If the performance and battery life were good enough though, that is still not bad.

In regards to the chrome book, I would not even consider it. I have seen them in best buy, and they look really nice. They look just as nice as an ultrabook that costs 3x as much, so I can see why one would buy it. I just wonder how many people are disappointed when they find out how limited it is.

350$ USD is too much. 250$ USD would be a good price assuming the power characteristics come close to the Cortex A-15. Now that I think of it, that is probably not the case. The kabini probably lasts 5 hours max on a charge which is not good enough.
 

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Let's take the example one step further with phones. Unsubsidized premium phones are all roughly the same price - the iphone 5 is actually cheaper than the HTC One (or very close) and is definitely cheaper than the Samsung Galaxy S4. Of course subsidized prices vary, though - i'm not a fan of subsidized phones because contract prices through carriers (for data) are absurd in the states.

Almost. You didn't mention the Nexus 4. $200-$350 for an unlocked, unsubsidized phone.
 

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krumme

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300.00 euros minus 20% is 240 euros, times 1.3 conversion rate is around 315.00 dollars, or around 350.00 like you said. Point is, 250.00 like the OP said is clearly impossible.

If the performance and battery life were good enough though, that is still not bad.

In regards to the chrome book, I would not even consider it. I have seen them in best buy, and they look really nice. They look just as nice as an ultrabook that costs 3x as much, so I can see why one would buy it. I just wonder how many people are disappointed when they find out how limited it is.

Unfortunately it is posible, but thats not to say its going to happen. Apart from import tax and Vat, there is less compettion in europe, and traditional segmentation between markets adds far more to that. Some clothing can eg. Become twice as expensive in scandinavia compared to us.
The main difference for price differences is for the most time, as a company you have to set price low in the us to simply sell the product in volume. The typical american household with eg a college degree does not have that big buying power.