New Alien Movie to be direct sequel to Aliens

[qliveur]

I agree. Still not sure why Prometheus is so divisive. I loved the atmosphere of that movie. It left me with a lot of question that I actually care about getting the answers to as well. The only thing that would anger me about it is if there wasn't a sequel.

If Lindelof is involved you won't be getting any answers whether there's a sequel or not.

 

[TheSlamma]

The Thing

The Thing is a great example.

Carpenter remade a horrible movie (Thing from outer space) into a masterpiece with great characters, atmosphere and of course that classic Carpenter sound he is so good at. Then they tried to remake it again only to fail hard.

You are just flat out not going to best Carpenters version.

 

[TheSlamma]

Best conceivable plot for an alien story i can think of.

Weyland Yutani sneaks a xenomorph to a remote base on Earth. There is an outbreak and a team of colonial marines try to contain the situation with the help of a female scientist. Lots of witty dialogue and tense situations while fighting the beasts and in the end the facility gets nuked.

None of the progenitor bullshit from Prometheus, a couple of Predator observers who watch how the humans contain the scene maybe. But the ending must always involve a nuke and only a couple of survivors. Bonus points if the Alien Queen is shown making intelligent decisions and of course lots of face rapers.

I always liked the Dark Horse comic book story lines. I thought they were a zillion times better than Alien 3 and later. Killing off Hicks was just complete BS to me. Would love to see Biehn come back and finish the role. They also did Newts Tale which took her into adult hood, that would put Weaver and Biehn at the right age for that.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yes, I was pretty excited about hearing this as well. I still worry that they'll find some way to fuck it up (and people keep mentioning Lindelof and yeah keep him the fuck away from this entirely).

I do also hope they can get Weaver and Biehn. They don't have to be big action stars (and I really hope they don't try to force that and then do a bunch of CGI action schlockfest stuff), but I'd love to see them reprising these roles.

And yes to them shitting all over what came after Aliens. They need to be more willing to do this to franchises. I wish they'd also shit all over Prometheus, but in a really off handed way to say "it's not worth more than making an offhand joke about".

Prometheus is ridiculously stupid. It makes me think that Ridley Scott is trying to ape Christopher Nolan. Come up with a convoluted plot that seems far more interesting than it really is, but then Prometheus shit all over itself. It's like Lost. "Durr let's throw in a twist, or change things for no reason, it'll just add to the mystery and suspense!" Only fucking idiots try to decipher their bullshit. I think they're literally trolling people too, they have no intention of making a cohesive narrative, they just come up with scenes and then try to stitch them together and know that it won't make a lot of sense but don't care because they know that stupid people won't get it either way, and that there's a bunch of people that will try to make sense of it and it will make it seem deeper and more profound and smarter than it is.

The Thing is a great example.

Carpenter remade a horrible movie (Thing from outer space) into a masterpiece with great characters, atmosphere and of course that classic Carpenter sound he is so good at. Then they tried to remake it again only to fail hard.

You are just flat out not going to best Carpenters version.

I don't agree that it was a horrible movie (especially considered in context of what it was going for, when it was made, etc), although I do think Carpenter's version is better. I don't think it's impossible to improve on his either, although much of that would be superficially, but it's not like it had the most stellar acting, and it's definitely bordering on cheesy (although that's why I love Carpenter's 80s movies, they straddled action, mystery, horror, and cheese in ways that modern movies just plain suck at). Now if you're claiming that they're not going to best Carpenter's way of handling it, then I'd probably agree. I'm dreading the day I hear about them remaking all of this movies. They Live in particular I'm almost shocked they haven't tried to remake it yet. And again it's not that I don't think it could be improved upon, but I have no faith that they'll do a good job of it, especially if they try to match Carpenter's awesome cheese factor.

 

[SlitheryDee]

That's just it, a good story doesn't hold your hand but it does provide answers to the relevant questions it raises; if the audience has to make a ton of assumptions or invent entire theories and backstories out of whole cloth then you have utterly failed as a writer. For example, Inception or Blade Runner was (more or less) mysterious in the right ways, but Prometheus was just inscrutable.

Maybe it's not happening here, but I love a movie that leaves a few things unspecified, but that you can tell were clearly true in hindsight. For instance, my theory could be exactly what you say, but at least it returns to the "facts" of the movie everywhere there are any, while attempting to extrapolate everything in between. The idea that perhaps there could be some underlying framework that ties the visible parts of the story together is what ultimately fascinates me. Inception certainly had that, but in a slightly more explicit way because the rules of the movie world were pretty clearly laid out for the viewer who was then left with the task of recognizing when they were coming into play onscreen. I'm not sure I would give Blade Runner the same level of credit though.

 

[Ruptga]

Blade Runner was mentioned because by the end it's clear what Decker is and how things have been manipulated from the beginning, though no more than half of that is ever made explicit.

 

[KeithTalent]

I agree. Still not sure why Prometheus is so divisive. I loved the atmosphere of that movie. It left me with a lot of question that I actually care about getting the answers to as well. The only thing that would anger me about it is if there wasn't a sequel.

Yeah I'm with you. Of course I find Aliens to be a bit of a slog these days and would much rather watch Prometheus. Now Alien is probably my second favourite movie of all time and can watch it continuously, but I have no problem watching all of these films and enjoying them on their own merits.

KT

 

[blankslate]

After Aliens and before Alien 3, Dark Horse comics continued the Aliens story line in which the Sulaco makes it back to earth and Newt becomes an adult.

Based on the art in the OP that seems to be the direction that the new Alien film might be going in and it's a welcome departure from the movies following Aliens.

Some dialogue of Weyland Yutani executives cast doubts on the fate of Ripley and the comics focus on Hicks, Newt, the corporations continuing attempts to obtain an alien as a bio weapon and a cult that believes the aliens to be the agents of a wrathful god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_(comic_book)

In any case I still think that the comics as simple as they seem are a better continuation of Aliens than the abomination of Alien 3.

The actual Dark Horse story line for Aliens vs Predator was much better than the movie. It was set on a recently colonized world which, unbeknownst to the human colonists, is infrequently used by Predators as a game world to ritualistically hunt Aliens. Of course what can go wrong does...

The produces of the movie chose to go cheap by having the movie take place on earth in the "present day" instead of going with the setting in the comics... and they messed that up.

details on that are in the crossover links provided in the above article


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[zinfamous]

I agree. Still not sure why Prometheus is so divisive. I loved the atmosphere of that movie. It left me with a lot of question that I actually care about getting the answers to as well. The only thing that would anger me about it is if there wasn't a sequel.

Prometheus was awesome.

But most people are stupid..so there's that.

 

[MongGrel]

Prometheus was awesome.

But most people are stupid..so there's that.

I loved Prometheus myself even with all the plot holes.

I'm all for a decent progression from Alien 2 myself, they screwed the others up so bad.

They reboot things so often why not

I'm still hoping someone will do Starship Troopers right someday.

 

[MongGrel]

This


Keep that no talent shit away from this.

+100

 

[Ruptga]

Prometheus was awesome.

But most people are stupid..so there's that.

Sir, I must demand satisfaction!

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yeah I'm with you. Of course I find Aliens to be a bit of a slog these days and would much rather watch Prometheus. Now Alien is probably my second favourite movie of all time and can watch it continuously, but I have no problem watching all of these films and enjoying them on their own merits.

KT

You find Aliens to be a slog? WTF? Especially compared to the first one.

The problem with Prometheus is it got the modern Alien/Ridley Scott production value (so it's excellent in that regard), but the story is so senselessly moronic (we're brilliant scientists, durr let's suddenly turn into total fucking idiots, and it's not like they went crazy they just started to act like dumbshits for no reason other than to serve their stupid scenes) that it's just shitting all over it. I knew that was going to happen with Lost before the hilariously bad CGI smoke monster and other stupid shit they threw in there even showed up, but here, it's like really, why would you go through all the trouble of this production just to waste it on this stupid shit?

It's like resurrecting Jimi Hendrix so he can play background guitar for Justin Bieber. You've got an awesome base to start with, and then are wasting it on nonsense.

 

[BudAshes]

Prometheus was awesome.

But most people are stupid..so there's that.

Shit, turns out you are most people

 

[MongGrel]

Shit, turns out you are most people

Go watch Pacific Rim or something, would ya

 

[halik]

Prometheus was awesome.

But most people are stupid..so there's that.

You find Aliens to be a slog? WTF? Especially compared to the first one.

The problem with Prometheus is it got the modern Alien/Ridley Scott production value (so it's excellent in that regard), but the story is so senselessly moronic (we're brilliant scientists, durr let's suddenly turn into total fucking idiots, and it's not like they went crazy they just started to act like dumbshits for no reason other than to serve their stupid scenes) that it's just shitting all over it. I knew that was going to happen with Lost before the hilariously bad CGI smoke monster and other stupid shit they threw in there even showed up, but here, it's like really, why would you go through all the trouble of this production just to waste it on this stupid shit?

It's like resurrecting Jimi Hendrix so he can play background guitar for Justin Bieber. You've got an awesome base to start with, and then are wasting it on nonsense.

^ Nailed it. I honestly think the only people that enjoyed it are the ones that just look at the visuals (oooh pretty space ship!) without giving a single thought to the actual narrative in front of them. The plot and especially characters made absolutely no sense what so ever; if you take a middle school story assignment and spend $100M making into a move, you end up with Prometheus.

 

[Dari]

It's just a movie, guys. Don't be so passionate over something you have no control over.

 

[motsm]

^ Nailed it. I honestly think the only people that enjoyed it are the ones that just look at the visuals (oooh pretty space ship!) without giving a single thought to the actual narrative in front of them. The plot and especially characters made absolutely no sense what so ever; if you take a middle school story assignment and spend $100M making into a move, you end up with Prometheus.

Or, people have different views on character motivations and narrative than you. It seems like every time Prometheus gets brought up positively, the haters have to insult everyone instead of just saying they didn't like it.

 

[CZroe]

Why are people making excuses for ALI3N?! The premise ruined the ending of Aliens by making the whole bad-ass "go back and fight the queen to save Newt" thing pointless. They come up with some pointless BS scenario where people with a chromosomal disorder are isolated for no particular reason. Was that supposed to be clever/interesting? Ugh.

First, they thought the guy was crazy when he really did see the alien, but he's inexplicably still crazy even after he was proven right. Even worse, they theorize that he might try to let it out even though he was terrified of it and that's exactly what he does. Stupid writing. IOW:
Guy thought he saw an alien and is terrified. We don't believe him so he's "crazy."
Oh sh*t! The alien is real! Guess he wasn't crazy. Let's ignore that and pretend he's still crazy.
Better not let the not-really-crazy guy around the alien he's terrified of. He might let it out for no particular reason.
Terrified guy who wasn't really crazy is suddenly compelled to be both crazy and no longer terrified. Lets it out.

It's worse than Stargate Universe when a nurse character who's not even a doctor and is stranded with no instruments proposed out of the blue that she has no idea what is wrong with a sick character who was having blackouts. She basically threw her hands up and said she could be changing into an alien for all she knows. Next episode, they are acting like it is confirmed with absolutely no reason to think that. Sure enough, she turns into an alien. STUPID. So blackouts = turning into an alien? Do our doctors know this?!

If your writers can't even follow their own train of thought, it's a bad sign.

 

[ControlD]

Why are people making excuses for Ali3n?!

I don't think Alien 3 is very good, but it looks like a work of art compared to Alien Resurrection. That is one of the worst movies I have ever had the misfortune of paying to watch.

 

[KeithTalent]

Or, people have different views on character motivations and narrative than you. It seems like every time Prometheus gets brought up positively, the haters have to insult everyone instead of just saying they didn't like it.

Heh, yep. Aside from the very top scientists in Prometheus, I always took the crew to be a bit of a rogue band of misfits/mercenaries. Able to perform the tasks at hand, but not without their idiosyncratic issues. So some of the "dumb" stuff they do does not seem out of character to me at all.

Oh and yes I do find Aliens to be a slog. It's too damn long and Cameron's inability to write decent characters after T1 really starts to show here. I still like the movie and there are some awesome sequences in it, but I never, ever feel compelled to sit down and re-watch it, unlike Alien which I can watch over and over.

KT

 

[Ichinisan]

Why are people making excuses for Ali3n?! The premise ruined the ending of Aliens by making the whole bad-ass "go back and fight the queen to save Newt" thing pointless. They come up with some BS scenario where people with a chromosomal disorder are isolated for no particular reason. They thought the guy was crazy when he really did see the alien, but he's still crazy even after he was proven right. Even worse, they theorize that he might try to let it out even though he was terrified of it and that's exactly what he does. Stupid writing. It's worse than Stargate Universe when a character proposed out of the blue that a sick character might be changing into an alien. Next episode, they are acting like it is confirmed with absolutely no reason to think that. Sure enough, she turns into an alien. STUPID.

Alien 3 doesn't even attempt to explain how 2 eggs got into the escape pod with Ripley and Newt.

 

[Ichinisan]

I don't think Alien 3 is very good, but it looks like a work of art compared to Alien Resurrection. That is one of the worst movies I have ever had the misfortune of paying to watch.

I don't recall hating Resurrection nearly as much as I hated Alien 3. I'd have to watch them again.

 

[Ichinisan]

Heh, yep. Aside from the very top scientists in Prometheus, I always took the crew to be a bit of a rogue band of misfits/mercenaries. Able to perform the tasks at hand, but not without their idiosyncratic issues. So some of the "dumb" stuff they do does not seem out of character to me at all.

Oh and yes I do find Aliens to be a slog. It's too damn long and Cameron's inability to write decent characters after T1 really starts to show here. I still like the movie and there are some awesome sequences in it, but I never, ever feel compelled to sit down and re-watch it, unlike Alien which I can watch over and over.

KT

The Prometheus ship and mission is the pinnacle of humanity's efforts. Everyone is supposed to be the best-of-the-best. I didn't get the "rag-tag team" vibe at all. Not even a little bit.

 

[KeithTalent]

The Prometheus ship and mission is the pinnacle of humanity's efforts. Everyone is supposed to be the best-of-the-best. I didn't get the "rag-tag team" vibe at all. Not even a little bit.

I did.

KT