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New Adobe Cloud pricing for photographers

foghorn67

foghorn67

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Price is only valid if you own CS3 or higher. I would be all over that deal if it wasn't for that, but I guess my yearly upgrade to the new Lightroom will have to be enough.
 
Wait till that $10 suddenly becomes $20, even if they say they won't raise the price...
And also your stuck paying $10 forever unlike gimp or aperture or even CS5.
 
foghorn67 said:
No excuse to pirate anymore. Honestly if you are too cheap for this, you deserve a kick in the throat.
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Nice to see they are figuring out the consumer model - make it more attractive to purchase than to pirate. Worked for Netflix! Both Spotify for music & Oyster for books seem to be going down the same route successfully. And if you break Amazon's Prime service down, that's under $10 a month too. Hard to argue with convenience on the cheap.
 
Apparently Autodesk is going down the same route:

http://news.creativecow.net/story/872672

(San Francisco, California--September 9, 2013) Autodesk, Inc. (NASDAQ: ADSK) customers will now be able to pay as they go for all of the company’s latest Design and Creation Suites, Autodesk 3ds Max, Autodesk Maya, and the new Autodesk Maya LT.

For the first time, customers can purchase access to a range of Autodesk desktop software on a monthly, quarterly or annual basis, in addition to traditional licenses, broadly expanding choices in how to access and pay for Autodesk software. It’s never been more cost effective for designers, engineers and visual effects artists to get started with Autodesk software with virtually no up-front capital costs, and to quickly ramp up projects using industry-leading Autodesk software.

Customers who choose to purchase monthly, quarterly or annual rental plans will receive similar benefits to Autodesk Subscription customers including staying current with the latest product updates, access to select Autodesk 360 cloud services and basic support.
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foghorn67 said:
Stop messing around with GIMP, and all the awful and clunky third party crap.
Aperture fans, stop making excuses on why Apple hasn't touched this app in forever.
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Some people might prefer not paying anything at all rather than $120 per year. Or they appreciate that aperture integrates well with the rest of their apple ecosystem.

Now, for pros or other people who already pay to stay up to date with Adobe's latest version, this does seem like a pretty good value.
 
renting software forever vs buying it once - NO. don't we have enough of our paychecks being whittled away in monthly subscriptions/payments/bills?


value of 20 GB data storage PURCHASED and OWNED - $1.20

storing your data on a virtualized company server that is relocated at the push of a button to maximize Adobe's rights and minimize consumer's - BAD

"behance pro site" = online portfolio = gimmick
 
colonelciller said:
renting software forever vs buying it once - NO. don't we have enough of our paychecks being whittled away in monthly subscriptions/payments/bills?
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As long as you aren't forced to upgrade to support new hardware or to get new functionality, then your rant holds up. However, for many, they'll eventually run into a situation where an upgrade is required.

For example, I own a copy of Lightroom 3, which worked perfectly with my D90 and I had not need or desire to spend the money to upgrade to Lightroom 4 or 5. Then, I went out and upgraded to a D600, only to find Lightroom 3 can't handle the raw files of the camera. My hand was forced and I bought an upgrade to Lightroom 5.

Having a reasonably-priced subscription for both PS and Lightroom that guarantees you'll always have the latest updates and compatibilities is a benefit to many.
 
tdawg said:
My hand was forced and I bought an upgrade to Lightroom 5.
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And now you have a much more capable version. I am an amateur who shoots only RAW and depends on LR constantly. Subscription to CC appeals not at all to me, but were I a pro, it would be a no brainer.
 
"If I were a pro"?

Pros do know what to do - case by case, some more, some less...
20G - is nothing for a Pro - one or 2 SD or CF cards...
Do Pros need every upgrade of PS or LR? How often comes out upgrades? every year?

Adobe business proposal - $120/year
It's easier to collect $$$ that way - $10/month, than wait people buy upgrades of PS or LR.
And Adobe will be able to show stockholders "some numbers" that way...
 
colonelciller said:
renting software forever vs buying it once - NO. don't we have enough of our paychecks being whittled away in monthly subscriptions/payments/bills?


value of 20 GB data storage PURCHASED and OWNED - $1.20

storing your data on a virtualized company server that is relocated at the push of a button to maximize Adobe's rights and minimize consumer's - BAD

"behance pro site" = online portfolio = gimmick
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Full versions of PS has always been expensive. Amazon once got drunk and put up CS6 for $247 several months back. Hell, upgrades seem to be just about that price.
Behance isn't just about storage, its really easy to stumble in there and find a portfolio you like. For half that, you get all that and LR.

$120 dollars should be chump change for anyone. Even if you fall back on your tired Gimp arguments and clunky competitors, you only "loose" $120.

Also, good luck with Adobe upgrading ACR for any recent cameras you purchased on an older version of PS/LR. It just won't happen. You'll have to convert, then import.
Yea, no thanks.

Hell, even just dicking around, $120 is a no brainer.
 
foghorn67 said:
Full versions of PS has always been expensive. Amazon once got drunk and put up CS6 for $247 several months back. Hell, upgrades seem to be just about that price.
Behance isn't just about storage, its really easy to stumble in there and find a portfolio you like. For half that, you get all that and LR.

$120 dollars should be chump change for anyone. Even if you fall back on your tired Gimp arguments and clunky competitors, you only "loose" $120.

Also, good luck with Adobe upgrading ACR for any recent cameras you purchased on an older version of PS/LR. It just won't happen. You'll have to convert, then import.
Yea, no thanks.

Hell, even just dicking around, $120 is a no brainer.
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You mean $120 + $240 + $240 + $240 + $360 + $360...???
You CAN'T just stop renting if you want to reopen the psd files in the future, unlike gimp or Coral's or even CS6
 
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Scooby Doo said:
You mean $120 + $240 + $240 + $240 + $360 + $360...???
You CAN'T just stop renting if you want to reopen the psd files in the future, unlike gimp or Coral's or even CS6
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as an avid user of photoshop and lightroom that is how i see it.
the yearly addition of new features are things i sometimes to seldom use.. i don't need to have every new version of these programs. my workflow works great and photoshop already has so much power and sooooooooooooo many features that I've never even seen or heard of... do i need the newest gizmos? probably not.

i'll stick with what i have now for years
Adobe's desire to have me pay a yearly tax (rental fee) to use software is not going to work.

portfolio sites are all over the net and the inherently insecure virtualized server (cloud) storage offered is worth 90 cents.
 
Its' so easy to say "Hey it's only $120!" but it's not. If you upgrade every 3 years or 5 because you bought a new camera or some great feature came out then your actual cost is going to be much higher. $360 and you still don't own the programs? I don't think they're going to keep it at $10 either.

Photoshop is $700. Lightrooom $150. Yes you can get a bit off of that but you can't get it for $360. So why in the world would Adobe do that?!? They're going to do it because they can keep you on the hook forever and because I believe they're going to raise the price.

CS3 came out in 2007
CS4 2008
CS5 2010
CS6 2012

If you're upgrading regularly this is a good deal. If you're not it's a terrible deal.

I would probably sing a slightly different tune if you owned whatever version of the program you had paid up to but as it stands the moment you stop paying you own nothing.
 
$79 to upgrade lightroom... andthatiswhatmany in here are talking about ("staying current")

$199 to upgrade Photoshop
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$280 to own both outright FOREVER

if you're into these programs then that works great


the subscription plan will have you paying $240 under normal circumstances... so after 364 days your cumulative bill for virtually the same functionality will be $360 ($120 + $240).

i call that a fools bargain
 
I don't think the reason for the Cloud was to get people who buy the full version to start using the Cloud. The real reason is to reduce pirating of their software as well as make the software more accessible to people who don't have hundreds of dollars sitting around.

Let's face it - 10 dollars a month endlessly is a lot easier for low income people to sign up for than shelling out a big lump sum up front even if that lump sum is less money total. Why do you think financing is available at pretty much ANY store that sells things over 100 bucks?
 
I think you guys are missing the point. CS6 will always be CS6, you will start to see ACR updates that won't touch CS6 very soon. Sure you can hang on to it for a while.

But if you shoot RAW, and down the road you expect camera support, you might get a rude shock.
I'm not a fan of the cloud thing either, but some of you guys are idealistic to a fault.
 
Keep in mind that Lightroom will continue to be offered as standalone. Adobe has already stated that Lightroom is meant for amateur and pro photographers alike, but that Photoshop is considered production level software and licensing is designed as such.

Obviously it isn't at the same level as CS6, but Photoshop Elements is a good consumer level package that, when combined with Lightroom, can get people pretty close to having it all without breaking the bank. I myself never purchased CS6 as Lightroom covers 90% of my needs including RAW support. I never understood the reason to buy such a robust package like CS6 just to use a small fraction of the tools. I'm speaking as a photographer and not a graphics designer, so take it as you will.
 
Syborg1211 said:
I don't think the reason for the Cloud was to get people who buy the full version to start using the Cloud. The real reason is to reduce pirating of their software as well as make the software more accessible to people who don't have hundreds of dollars sitting around.
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This is pretty close to reality. The real purpose of Cloud is to regulate professional licensing, although consumers benefit also should they require Adobe production level software.

The real value of CC is if you buy their comprehensive packages. If you only require one piece of software such as Photoshop, the value is not that good compared to if you choose to go with their entire lineup. $240 per year for Photoshop isn't that bad if you tend to buy every new version everytime it gets released but the advantage is that you get constant updates and always have the latest greatest of everything. Now, the complete package is $600 per year and is a bit steep for the average consumer, but remember that this is aimed at production companies and contains software that when purchased individually and then combined would cost thousands. Multiply that by whatever number of workstations you need to support, and it starts to make sense.

Companies like Adobe have to worry about piracy on a professional level far more than a consumer level. It's not uncommon for a business owner to buy one license of X software and install it on all their machines if there is no DRM check. It can account for millions in unseen revenue.

I'm not arguing about the virtue for or against DRM, only that from a business standpoint Adobe is actually ahead of the curve and are preparing for the next gen digital environment.
 
AViking said:
CS3 came out in 2007
CS4 2008
CS5 2010
CS6 2012
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So, what are features on all of those upgrades of PS than an amateur photographer can not live without?

Can someone specify with an examples of their photos?

I'm not talking about PRO's - they won't need that Adobe deal with 20G "storage'...And Pro's, if they sell photos for a living, they could afford all needed upgrades of PS or LR...
 
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