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Markfw

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I am not posting in CPUs anymore (you all know why) But since its a DC box, this is appropriate anyway.

Case: TBD
Motherboard: ??? Whats the best VRMS for X570 motherboard ???
CPU 5950x to be shipped Dec 21 from B&H
Cooler: NH-D15 Noctua, one fan enough ??
Ram: I have 4 x 8 gig 3200 cl14 bdie. Should I go something like 4000 cl 16 ??
NVME: older 120 or 250 gig Sambung 970 pro. PCIE3, might spring for pcie4
PSU RM 1000 Corsair.
Video card 6800XT (when available) What brand >??

So I do have some questions here, so let me know what you think. This is to be the fastest 16 core box in the house in all respects. Thinking of this motherboard:(don't care about RGB)
ASUS AM4 TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) ATX Motherboard with PCIe 4.0, Dual M.2, 12+2 with Dr. MOS Power Stage, HDMI, DP, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Aura Sync RGB Lighting

Edit: motherboard says it might require a flash. Is this a USB flash, no CPU needed flash type ? I did not see that mentioned.
 

Endgame124

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I have lots of thoughts, but I don’t have time at the moment to write much up. Read the second post of this link though - I think you’ll find it useful

 

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MSI X570 Tomahawk if you can find it for $219.99 at Newegg or Amazon. They come in stock at least once or twice weekly. I picked up one for a friend last week.

Otherwise Asus TUF Wifi and ASRock Taichi represent lower and higher price point boards that are more than good enough VRM-wise.

More than you ever wanted to know about VRM configurations for AM4 mobos

Personally I opted for a MSI B550 Gaming Edge Wifi which at 10+2 and 6-layer PCB is actually better than their mediocre X570 equivalent... and given my propensity to lower PPT to enforce stricter power limits vs stock should have no difficulty powering a 5950X/5900X when I pick one up in 2021.

I plan to move my 3700X into it when I receive the board next week. And whenever I get my 5000 series chip put the 3700X back on my X470 board.
 

Markfw

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Both places look like the MSI X570 tomahawk is the best best, its $299 at amazon right now. What do you think of that price ?

And my other questions, ram most notably.
 

Skillz

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I came here to post the link to TheFPSReview review of the board here

As quoted

"I don’t think the VRM is particularly bad, it’s just not high end. It works well enough for the task at hand, and its better than some other options for similar money. Again, while this can clearly handle a 12-core CPU, it’s less than ideal. With a 3800X or lower, I think this board would be absolutely fine and even excel with those CPUs. "

But Endgame beat me to it.
 

Markfw

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Check the AnandTech home page, and pick up a https://www.anandtech.com/show/16281/-news-asus-pro-ws-x570-279-at-newegg-and-amazon board. You get PCIe 4.0 8x on 3 slots.....for $280. December 21st to be shipped? Fugg, I guess I will wait even LONGER for my 5900X. :'(

That board is short on USB for my tastes though....
Here is the reply. I ordered hours before it was available as a pre-order

Thank you for your AMD Ryzen Processor order.



We have received a tremendous number of customer orders that are more than the inventory that AMD has allocated to us. As a result, we are unable to ship your order as quickly as B&H typically delivers customer orders.



We expect to be able to ship your order by December 21st. This timing is subject to AMD’s current delivery schedule and is subject to change. We are working closely with AMD trying to secure additional product to hopefully accelerate the schedule.



We will send you an update in early December to hopefully confirm the timing. If you have any questions, please email me along with your order number at orderupdates@bhphoto.com.
 

Markfw

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I can't find this memory on Amazon to compare, but I think this is what I want:

$540 for 64 gig ???? Is it worth it ? 4000 cl16
 

Endgame124

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I bought 64gb of cl 18 4000 for less than half that.

initial reports are that very few chips can run the if at 2000MHz and that lower latency 3600 is still the sweet spot. This may changeover time
 

Markfw

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I bought 64gb of cl 18 4000 for less than half that.

initial reports are that very few chips can run the if at 2000MHz and that lower latency 3600 is still the sweet spot. This may changeover time
can you link that cl 18 4000 ?
 

Markfw

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OK, ordered that. I have the motherboard in my cart, what do you all think ????

@Skillz Everything I have read about Zen 3, says the latency is great, and 4000 with IR at 2000 is the new goal. with low latency.


Well, we will see I guess.
 

Endgame124

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Looks like 30X0s are going to be the folding points per watt leaders.

I think the Tomahawk is a good option, but I’ve never used one, and it may need a bios flash to see the 5950x.

let us know how it goes!
 

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After more consideration the ASUS ROG crosshair Here has 16 phase power, 8 layer PCB and 10kcaps.


What so you think ?
It doesn't have 16 phase power, only 8.

"The ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi uses an ASP1405 voltage controller which only supports up to 8-phases. It is configured for 7+1 phases. 7 phases for vCore and a single phase for SoC voltage. ASUS chose not to use any phase doubling while using twice as many inductors giving it the physical appearance of having 16 phases at a glance. "

It just appears to have 16.

With that being said, TheFPSReview gave it a solid silver award and appraises it.
 

Endgame124

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After more consideration the ASUS ROG crosshair Here has 16 phase power, 8 layer PCB and 10kcaps.


What so you think ?
Dan over at the FPS review has been pretty critical of ASUS for false advertising on number of phases. Pretty sure this one only has 8, but they are pretty beefy. I’ve had 2 friends use this board (one 3900XT and one 3950) and they both love it.

I’m trying to get ahold of the Crosshair Dark Hero, but no more luck on that than the 5950x
 

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So what motherboard is best ?, I am confused....
 

Endgame124

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So what motherboard is best ?, I am confused....
If I got lucky and got a 5950x, and I had to buy today, I would get the crosshair hero you just linked. If I had the option to borrow a board to play with / try before I buy, I would try the Tomahawk, the MSI MEG Unify, the asus workstation board TT suggested, and the Asus prime x570 pro.

sometimes I miss working at a computer store to try this all out myself...
 
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Both places look like the MSI X570 tomahawk is the best best, its $299 at amazon right now. What do you think of that price ?

And my other questions, ram most notably.
MSRP is $219.99. Don't pay scalper prices.
 
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