Never Trump losers launch 3rd party canidate

[Fanatical Meat]

Per Joe Scarborough. He should be on about 20 state ballots, they shopped for someone with conservative vision. The goal isn't to win but make Trump lose overwhelmingly. They feel that is the only way to prevent a Trump like guy running every cycle

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2016/0...ill-launch-presidential-bid-derail-trump.html

I'm no Trump guy but I stand by these guys are losers.

Edit: Formal announcement should happen around noon.

Edit #2: Its been said they had a hard time finding someone who would appeal to conservatives to get them out to vote but the candidate had to be someone who would only appeal to conservatives. Weird that they didn't want to get Hillary voters or I guess you could look at it as this is about the House & Senate they don't want to mobilize progressives that aren't happy with Hillary

Edit #3: New theory was called the moon shot. Basically run someone who can keep everyone from 270 and allow the House & Senate decide.

 

[DrPizza]

If they ran Cruz... omg. In some Republican states, e.g., Utah and Oklahoma, Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning, regardless of who else enters. But, in others, e.g., Texas, a character like Cruz might split off enough of the Trump votes that Hillary comes out ahead of both Trump and Cruz.

And Cruz would be the perfect dupe for this. He's disliked in his party, so assassinating his political future wouldn't be a difficult choice for many, and he dislikes Trump enough that he just might do it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If they ran Cruz... omg. In some Republican states, e.g., Utah and Oklahoma, Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning, regardless of who else enters. But, in others, e.g., Texas, a character like Cruz might split off enough of the Trump votes that Hillary comes out ahead of both Trump and Cruz.

And Cruz would be the perfect dupe for this. He's disliked in his party, so assassinating his political future wouldn't be a difficult choice for many, and he dislikes Trump enough that he just might do it.

They picked this McMillan guy. CIA(?) and former banker guy.

As much as I hate Cruz he's a smart guy and knows a 3rd party loss would torpedo his future chances. I'm sure Cruz has run scenarios in his head for if Trump loses then runs again in 2020.

 

[retrospooty]

They picked this McMillan guy. CIA(?) and former banker guy.

As much as I hate Cruz he's a smart guy and knows a 3rd party loss would torpedo his future chances. I'm sure Cruz has run scenarios in his head for if Trump loses then runs again in 2020.

Yup... Cruz is icky... but smart. He is betting that Trump will cause major losses for the republican party. They will very likely lose not only the Oval office, but the house and senate too due to Trump... Then in 2020, Cruz can come back and say "I refused to bow down to this idiocy. I stood up for what I believe is right" and he will look really good. Too bad his sliminess and goofy religious views will ruin it for him, but its still a god plan in itself.

 

[dank69]

I can't imagine that the GOP loses the House. Even Trump isn't enough to crack that gerrymandered nut. 2010 will bite liberals in the ass until 2020 at least, although the SCOTUS is making some progress on that front.

 

[thraashman]

As much as I hate Cruz he's a smart guy and knows a 3rd party loss would torpedo his future chances. I'm sure Cruz has run scenarios in his head for if Trump loses then runs again in 2020.

That was my thought. Cruz may be one of the worst people to ever be elected to high political office in this nation. There's a strong possibility that he's a Frankenstein's Monster-like stitched together mass of infected anal warts. But he's not an idiot and the most important thing to Cruz is Cruz and self promotion. Really he's just as narcissistic as Trump, but he's slightly less childish.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

more info here

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/evan-mcmullin-conservative-trump-clinton/index.html

 

[evident]

more info here

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/08/politics/evan-mcmullin-conservative-trump-clinton/index.html

Is Gary Johnson really that unlikable to the never trump republican movement that they would prop up another candidate?

 

[dank69]

Is Gary Johnson really that unlikable to the never trump republican movement that they would prop up another candidate?

Not Christian fundie enough.

 

[Thump553]

If they ran Cruz... omg. In some Republican states, e.g., Utah and Oklahoma, Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning, regardless of who else enters. But, in others, e.g., Texas, a character like Cruz might split off enough of the Trump votes that Hillary comes out ahead of both Trump and Cruz.

And Cruz would be the perfect dupe for this. He's disliked in his party, so assassinating his political future wouldn't be a difficult choice for many, and he dislikes Trump enough that he just might do it.

From the news reports I've seen Utah is actually in play for Hillary. Thrice married Trump doesn't fit in with Mormon views-look how strongly Romney has reacted to Trump as a good indicator.

Back to the main topic, a political party whose main goal is to have the presidency selected by the House of Representatives-a body that has a roughly ten percent approval rating in the US. Really bad idea.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Is Gary Johnson really that unlikable to the never trump republican movement that they would prop up another candidate?

This is the support for it to be essentially nobody gets to 270, then let the House decide.

 

[Jaskalas]

Is Gary Johnson really that unlikable to the never trump republican movement that they would prop up another candidate?

They don't want any risk of Libertarians gaining momentum for future elections. Imagine that vote split carrying forward.

 

[DrPizza]

Weird. The article posted above specifically mentions Utah as a state that's on the cusp. That doesn't seem to be an accurate assessment, and Utah really doesn't figure that much into a path to victory for Trump. (6 electoral votes)

 

[Genx87]

They don't want any risk of Libertarians gaining momentum for future elections. Imagine that vote split carrying forward.

I think Libertarians scare these conservatives more than Hillary. They cant imagine a world where govt cant deny things to groups they dont like. Or bomb brown people half a world away.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Weird. The article posted above specifically mentions Utah as a state that's on the cusp. That doesn't seem to be an accurate assessment, and Utah really doesn't figure that much into a path to victory for Trump. (6 electoral votes)

It could be as simple as they don't want people in Utah getting comfortable with voting for a Democrat.

 

[dullard]

This is the support for it to be essentially nobody gets to 270, then let the House decide.

What a mess that will be.

The 12th amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) hasn't been tested in that regard.

It states that the house will select the president based off of the top three electoral college vote receivers. But, the house must vote immediately and that each state gets one vote. So, it comes down to WHO gets that vote in the state? Many states have house members from both parties. If only one person from the state gets to vote, who is it? A democrat or a republican?

Is it whichever side has the most house members? What if it is a tie? Think of Maine, they currently have one house member from each party (although that could change by the time this vote takes place). How is that chosen? Is it a state's right to decide? If so, that state's governor? Or is it that state's legislature? This most certainly will go to the courts.

If it goes to the courts, then there is a deadline in the 12th amendment.

if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President

But it is the senate that picks the Vice President. The next senate, not the current senate. The next senate could easily be controlled by either party. Thus the next president in this scenario will be either Pence or Kaine as decided by whomever does best in the senate races.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What a mess that will be.

The 12th amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) hasn't been tested in that regard.

It states that the house will select the president based off of the top three electoral college vote receivers. But, the house must vote immediately and that each state gets one vote. So, it comes down to WHO gets that vote in the state? Many states have house members from both parties. If only one person from the state gets to vote, who is it? A democrat or a republican?

Is it whichever side has the most house members? What if it is a tie? Think of Maine, they currently have one house member from each party (although that could change by the time this vote takes place). How is that chosen? Is it a state's right to decide? If so, that state's governor? Or is it that state's legislature? This most certainly will go to the courts.

If it goes to the courts, then there is a deadline in the 12th amendment.


But it is the senate that picks the Vice President. The next senate, not the current senate. The next senate could easily be controlled by either party. Thus the next president in this scenario will be either Pence or Kaine as decided by whomever does best in the senate races.

That's why I heard it called the moon shot. I still say the never Trump people are losers.

 

[herm0016]

never trump and never hill are still party shills. Neither wants Johnson to be in the debates or any national stage. They feel threatened by logic and reason. What happens when the people they have been yelling at for years start to form their own opinions on things?

 

[Brainonska511]

As much as I hate Cruz he's a smart guy and knows a 3rd party loss would torpedo his future chances. I'm sure Cruz has run scenarios in his head for if Trump loses then runs again in 2020.

I'm sure the major lesson they'll learn from a Trump loss is that they weren't conservative enough, and only a conservative like Cruz can lead them to victory in 2020.

 

[DrPizza]

I'm sure the major lesson they'll learn from a Trump loss is that they weren't conservative enough, and only a conservative like Cruz can lead them to victory in 2020.

Heh, Hillary victory in 2020 then.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What a mess that will be.

The 12th amendment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) hasn't been tested in that regard.

It states that the house will select the president based off of the top three electoral college vote receivers. But, the house must vote immediately and that each state gets one vote. So, it comes down to WHO gets that vote in the state? Many states have house members from both parties. If only one person from the state gets to vote, who is it? A democrat or a republican?

Is it whichever side has the most house members? What if it is a tie? Think of Maine, they currently have one house member from each party (although that could change by the time this vote takes place). How is that chosen? Is it a state's right to decide? If so, that state's governor? Or is it that state's legislature? This most certainly will go to the courts.

If it goes to the courts, then there is a deadline in the 12th amendment.


But it is the senate that picks the Vice President. The next senate, not the current senate. The next senate could easily be controlled by either party. Thus the next president in this scenario will be either Pence or Kaine as decided by whomever does best in the senate races.

Let's be honest at this point the above scenario wouldn't be surprising if it happened it would be funny if the top 3 were Hillary, Gloria (Green Party Woman) and Trump. Have fun with that pick never Trump guys!
Would also be funny if Obama stayed in office a little late because voting is so screwed up. The ultimate funny would be Trumps meltdown about the election being rigged. With people shouting about Obama's dictatorship and Obama being on the news saying "I'm done I want out of the White House figure this out"

 

[Puffnstuff]

[disclaimer]If the RNC fielded a black candidate as the strong horse they might make some inroads with the desired demographics.[/disclaimer]

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[Bitek]

Is Gary Johnson really that unlikable to the never trump republican movement that they would prop up another candidate?

Exactly. Vote for Johnson over this half baked Bill Kristol shill.


Not a Christian fundie tho, a Mormon.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

idgi, Johnson is already polling around ~5%, the majority of those votes likely stealing from Republicans, not Democrats. I mean, the more the merrier, but Trump is already losing support to third-party candidates.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Heard an interview with the dude. He smartly side stepped abortion but otherwise it was typical old school shit. Low taxes, tax breaks, less regulation, more military spending, allow success so people can retire but it may need to be later....Trump sucks he's immoral and unprincipled....States Rights, Government works better at the State level than Federal level...Trump lies....yada, yada, yada