Nevada Ranch Armed Standoff - Everyone vs The Feds

[Stewox]

Big story going since yesterday ....

Cliven Bundy is the rights-holder. The rest of the family also helps to operate the ranch.

Basically the Bundy family has grazing, water ...etc rights on the land, to care for the cattle and environment.

Action on video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Drudge's been all over on this news, here's a screenshot (ah it's been up a day, he took it down just a moment ago before i could copy links)

More Articles:

Heavily-armed feds sorround Nevada Bundy ranch, confiscate cattle (VIDEO)

Armed Fed Agents and Snipers? Nevada Rancher Is Taking on the Gov't in a Battle That's Reaching a Breaking Point

Rancher's asks Nevada Police Chief to start arresting BLM feds - video

Pregnant Woman Protesting - Videos




Facts:

• Size of the ranch is 600000 acres.

• Feds make up ridicolous reasons, and hipocricy, they say there are endangered specieis which aren't even native in the area, but then when they take over (other ranches) they say there is not enough federal money to care for animals so they kill them. Also the "stopped paying grazing fees" is part of that same BS.

• Feds came with snipers, contract cowboys, swat teams, armored trucks, UPDATE: HELICOPTERS; totally ignoring his rights, which he had for over a 100 years.
• Nevada state governor is with the family, saying that the Feds are only doing this for intimidation.
• Nevada's land is 90% owned by the Federal Government.
• Many of the Bundi family members were tasered at gunpoint.
• Big and growning protest has emerged, more media coverage in coming in next days.
• Some women were pushed face forward into the ground.
• Rancher's son was beat up as well by the feds, there was blood.

Updates:

Fed Minions are chasing cattle, some of them already died of exhaustion (hot weather), separating adults, destroying infrastructure for water supply, tearing up some stuff i forgot (i overheard, im listening right now)



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FIRST PHONE-INTERVIEW:

http://youtu.be/1mKKQUZ5_us?t=4m29s

Rancher explains all the rights he possesess, there are several, but i forgot exactly.

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Today's update being live right now as I'm writting this, couldn't record to upload my self, will do it in rebroadcast, but the official video should be up in a few hours if I don't manage it, anyways.


Update Notes:

More media coverage, livestreams coming?(i haven't found em yet), at 5 o clock local time 5 state guys on their side will talk with people at protest, ...


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UPDATE 2:

more than 10 Cowboys allied with the Family in today's counter-attack have rescued 20 cattle and secured them ... it's a big ranch
More videos coming ...



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UPDATE 3:

Official: 20 Cowboys Break Fed Blockade in Nevada, Retrieve Cattle

Protest Area Sneak Peak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUxYmmsi1iY

Previous Reports Since April 7 (getting up to speed): http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36250749&postcount=98



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UPDATE 4:

Calvin Bundy on-scene Exclusive Interview Live (now over, there is no other media there, yet?)
(pending youtube upload later in the day - will update when necessary)

• He Says: It's not clear who owns this land, but it points to State Of Nevada, as one judge said locally and governor agres, the property is VERY OLD (+100yr), which makes birocracy problematic, the problems is with him "WHO TO PAY THE GRAZING FEE TO", Cliven Bundy does not recognize the Federal Government to be the owner! That's why he won't pay em. There appears to be a contradiction between land records in State Of Nevada and the Federal Judges.

More here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36250576&postcount=59


Sorry about mispelling Cliven Bundy as Calvin Bundi several times ... fixed here, but still in other posts, this thread is going fast.


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UPDATE 5:

Livestreaming confirmed, not sure about individuals, will search

Media Streams that will most probably be active:

Primary: http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive
Secondary or Backup: http://www.ustream.tv/RealAlexJones
Tertiary (rarely used recently): http://www.justin.tv/alexjonesinfowars

Citizen-Journalist Streams: (list updated as needed)



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UPDATE 6:

First Protest Area April 10. Interview: Breaking: Feds Allow Calves To Starve



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UPDATE 7:

Pete Santilli on the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMqGlZEUDus



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UPDATE 8:

Armed Rangers hired by BLM were also called out of other states as for "emergency" without knowing what it was all about.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-rangers-brought-in-from-out-of-state-for-nevada-ranch-emergency/



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UPDATE 9:

Mike Adams says there are other motives for the feds such as natural resources

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_lies_fracking_leases_Bundy_ranch.html


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UPDATE 10:

Citizen Militia Reinforcements on the way, rumored ?*5000*?

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-ne...ution-starting-in-bunkerville-nevada_04102014



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UPDTATE 11: Bombshell

Hidden Documents reveal Sen. Harry Reid / China connection to Bundy Ranch BLM Takeover.

More Here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36254798&postcount=280




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UPDTATE 12:

FAA designates Bundy Ranch a No-Fly Zone



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UPDATE 13:

HealthRanger breaks down the Bundy Ranch Fight - Mainstream Media Lies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhKIddR_x8U


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UPDATE 14:

Sheriff promises BLM Standdown but things get hot after than BLM retreats and says it will release a couple hundred cattle ... that's all for now.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36257168&postcount=407

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This thread is about, what's and how it's happening, not claiming the "grazing fees" thing is true or not.

Legal dispute, court order or not, federal agents with ARs, dogs, attacking women, being violent towards non-violent protestors is not appropriate.

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And in typical fed government fashion they will hugely overreact and then blame someone else.

And just to clarify, I don't think anyone is saying the farmers are 100% in the right... But the response from the feds is inappropriate.

Basically they do these things in a way where they almost seem to WANT it to end in violence. They egg these people on. Then when they hole up in a house and fight back everybody acts surprised.

 

[Jaskalas]

I call on the State of Nevada to deploy the national guard in defense of the farm. To authorize the use of force to do so.

Upon review it's not what some media makes it out to be. There's a perfectly legitimate legal dispute at the center of this story.

 

[bradly1101]

I thought everyone was arming themselves against any such government activities. Where is the armed revolt (that's used as a major reason against gun controls)? Wussies.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Does this family own this land? Who does it belong to, on paper, etc?

 

[BoomerD]

Bundy's beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993, according to federal officials, when Bundy's allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise. Bundy, who told the Associated Press his family has been ranching this part of Nevada since the 1870s, did not accept the modified terms, and continued to let his cattle graze anyway.

After legal maneuverings on both sides, a Nevada district court judge in 2013 permanently enjoined Bundy's cattle (some 900, by the government's count) from grazing on public property. The judge reiterated that decision in 2013 and authorized the U.S. government to impound the cattle.

I'm a US Taxpayer. If he doesn't want to abide by the rules set down by the BLM, he should get his fucking cattle off my land.

 

[KB]

Are the Feds going overboard on this, absolutely, but is the rancher in the wrong, absolutely.

"Last week, they began seizing cattle found grazing on adjacent federal lands in violation of a law meant to protect an endangered desert tortoise."

"Mr. Bundy has been in trespass on public lands for more than 20 years," Cannon said, adding that he owes the federal government some $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-over-treatment-cattle-rancher-cliven-bundy/

 

[Genx87]

Ahh govt, doing what they do best. Destroying things.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ahh govt, doing what they do best. Destroying things.

Not really.

The rancher stopped paying grazing fees in 1993.

His claim, is that the land belongs to him, since his Mormon ancestory "worked" it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-over-treatment-cattle-rancher-cliven-bundy/

This guy is a free loader.

 

[Genx87]

Not really.

The rancher stopped paying grazing fees in 1993.

He took the BLM to court, and lost twice.

His claim, is that the land belongs to him, since his Mormon ancestory "worked" it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-over-treatment-cattle-rancher-cliven-bundy/

This guy is a free loader.

What do you mean not really? They are destroying infrastructure and running cattle to death.

 

[Stewox]

Does this family own this land? Who does it belong to, on paper, etc?

I don't understand this type of law, I don't live in US, but what I have heard from the Rancher (not owner) that he has several rights but not the ownership, the ownership is state, and in nevada it means it's from all the people, not the federal government, the people and the governor spoke against the feds so it's unlikely that feds could take that away legally, that's why this is a story, they are doing it illegaly and forcefully.

You should watch the full interview i posted at the end of the OP.

 

[waffleironhead]

From what I have read, the Feds modified Bundys use of public land. Courts backed the Feds, while Bundy left his cattle on public land in spite of rulings. Feds are now moving in to remove the cattle from public land and arresting anyone who tries to stop them.
I admit I have no idea how the private rancher normally contracts use of public land for grazing, so if someone else can chime in on that I would appreciate it.

 

[Newell Steamer]

What do you mean not really? They are destroying infrastructure and running cattle to death.

He put himself in this situation.

It's been 20 years for him to make it right. Instead, he pissed them off.

All he had to do was pay for the grazing fees, or get the fuck off of the land he does NOT own.

 

[Genx87]

He put himself in this situation.

It's been 20 years for him to make it right. Instead, he pissed them off.

All he had to do was pay for the grazing fees, or get the fuck off of the land he does NOT own.

So you agree the govt is doing what govt does best?

 

[Newell Steamer]

I don't understand this type of law, I don't live in US, but what I have heard from the Rancher (not owner) that he has several rights but not the ownership, the ownership is state, and in nevada it means it's from all the people, not the federal government, the people and the governor spoke against the feds so it's unlikely that feds could take that away legally, that's why this is a story, they are doing it illegaly and forcefully.

You should watch the full interview i posted at the end of the OP.

He has no right to the land, unless he pays grazing fees.

He did not pay the grazing fees and was ordered to stop tresspassing and using the land.

Also, I can not watch the video (its blocked at work), but the link I provided states all the facts.

This man is a fucking free loading tress passer. But, the tin foil hate wearing government haters are making it look like he hasn't been stealing for 20 years and does not deserve to be treated as a trespasser.

Yet, anyone of these mother fuckers would be crying to shoot him and his cattle dead, if he trespassed on their land/property.

 

[Newell Steamer]

So you agree the govt is doing what govt does best?

Hey, you guys on these forums set the rules, not me: cross over into property you don't own or have the right to be on, get shot.

This has gone through courts, 20 years, etc.

It's a done deal.

You can't make an exception for the government, but are perfectly OK for a landowner to shoot someone trespassing on their property.

 

[Zargon]

this dude had it coming

but WTF

"Mr. Bundy has been in trespass on public lands for more than 20 years," Cannon said, adding that he owes the federal government some $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees.

The bureau last week announced the area would be closed through May 12 while contractors conduct the roundup using helicopters, vehicles and temporary pens. Cannon said the agency paid the contractors $966,000.

that's terrible economics for this terrible PR they are receiving. probably a HUGE net loss after you factor in all the staff time over 2 federal court cases and this circus

 

[Stewox]

I'm a US Taxpayer. If he doesn't want to abide by the rules set down by the BLM, he should get his fucking cattle off my land.

Do you live in Nevada?
"Rules" of the BLM are stupid and illegal.


Why do you people quote mainstream news, which wasn't even talking to anyone up there directly, anyways, just watch the interview, everything's explained.

I thought everyone was arming themselves against any such government activities. Where is the armed revolt (that's used as a major reason against gun controls)? Wussies.

The good never start wars. But they will respond if provoked. They're waiting for the oppressor to make the first shot, that's rule number one.

 

[IronWing]

The government has cuddled this rancher for decades, using your tax dollars to subsidy his distruction of the public lands. It is more than past time for the government to follow the law and remove his trespass cattle from the public lands.

 

[CrackRabbit]

LOL Drudge and infowars.

 

[Genx87]

Hey, you guys on these forums set the rules, not me: cross over into property you don't own or have the right to be on, get shot.

This has gone through courts, 20 years, etc.

It's a done deal.

You can't make an exception for the government, but are perfectly OK for a landowner to shoot someone trespassing on their property.

You keep yapping on a subject I never addressed. I said govt destroys things. You keep talking about this guy had it coming. I never once said anything about this guys claims.

That said, the govt is doing a magnificent job from what I am reading. Running cattle to death and destroying infrastructure. Mission Accomplished!

 

[IronWing]

this dude had it coming

but WTF



that's terrible economics for this terrible PR they are receiving. probably a HUGE net loss after you factor in all the staff time over 2 federal court cases and this circus

By this logic the government shouldn't enforce the law against car theft because locking up thieves is expensive.

The rancher was getting a handout and decided to flip off the giver (us).

 

[Newell Steamer]

That said, the govt is doing a magnificent job from what I am reading. Running cattle to death and destroying infrastructure. Mission Accomplished!

And, that free loader did a wonderful job of avoiding paying his fees, being a leech and skirting his responsibilities - for well over 2 decades.

 

[Incorruptible]

Ahh govt, doing what they do best. Destroying things.

Agree. But this is typical of what they do. It's better for the cows to be destroyed than if he uses them to help others.

 

[ivwshane]

Another free loader, another law breaker and right lines up to defend their fellow white guy. You know if it was a legal Mexican immigrant the tone of this thread would be much different.

Out rage not found.

 

[IronWing]

Agree. But this is typical of what they do. It's better for the cows to be destroyed than if he uses them to help others.

Declaring it open season and letting hunters take home a freezer-full would have been a better solution. Those cattle were taxpayer-raised so it would have been a way to let at least some of the taxpayers benefit.