Nevada Lawmaker: It’s Okay To Aim Guns At Cops If They Aim At You First

[JEDIYoda]

Interesting take on self-defense.......

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/02/3774423/michele-fiore-nevada-aim-gun-at-cops/

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R), who is currently seeking her party’s nomination for an open U.S. House seat, said last week that she believes the right to self defense includes the right to aim your gun anyone who aims a gun at you, even if they are a law enforcement officer.

In an interview with a local TV station last Sunday, Fiore attacked the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as “a bureaucrat agency of terrorism.” Pressed by KLAS-8 host Steve Sebelius about whether she believes the Second Amendment grants citizens the right to point a weapon at a “duly authorized law enforcement officer who is just out there doing his job,” she said that self-defense includes the right to aim back at anyone who points a gun at you first — and to put your own life ahead of theirs.

“I would never ever point my firearm at anyone, including an officer of the law, unless they pointed their firearm at me,” Fiore explained. But, the assemblywoman continued, “once you point your firearm at me, I’m sorry, then it becomes self-defense. Whether you’re a stranger, a bad guy, or an officer, and you point your gun at me and you’re gonna shoot me and I have to decide whether it’s my life or your life, I choose my life.”

Fiore helped negotiate the end of a standoff earlier this year between armed militia and ranchers and law enforcement officials. The armed group had occupied a federal facility near Burns, Oregon, in protest of the prosecution of two ranchers, who set a fire to their property that spread to land owned by BLM. She has previously pushed the debunked claim that one of those militants was killed by police with his hands up.

Fiore’s record on guns has long been one of the most extreme in the nation. She released a “2016 Walk the Talk Second Amendment Calendar” featuring pictures of herself with large guns. One photo showed her clad in a white dress, wearing diamonds, and holding a semi-automatic AR pistol, with the caption “Diamonds aren’t a girl’s only best friend.” Last year, she suggested that “hot little girls” on college campuses should carry concealed guns to prevent rape. She also proposed the arming of school teachers and administrators to prevent mass shootings.

She has taken an array of other controversial positions that have made national news as well. Though she once operated a home health business, she claimed that cancer is a fungus that can be cured by “flushing” it would with salt water. Additionally, after claiming that “racism is over” at a committee hearing on a voter ID proposal, she identified a colleague as the “colored man to graduate from his high school.”

Fiore’s Republican assembly colleagues elected her majority leader in 2014, but she was stripped of the position when it was revealed that she faced more than $1 million in tax liens.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

She's correct in her reading of the 2nd Amendment. It's about our right to defend from government and so long as we have the right to defend ourselves from government the expectation is that government will not be something we need to defend from.

And I agree that if I am confronted by a cop who can't articulate a justifiable reason for threatening me with lethal force I will absolutely defend myself with lethal force.

Their life is no more important than mine: Equal Protection Under The Law.

 

[fleshconsumed]

She's correct in her reading of the 2nd Amendment. It's about our right to defend from government and so long as we have the right to defend ourselves from government the expectation is that government will not be something we need to defend from.

And I agree that if I am confronted by a cop who can't articulate a justifiable reason for threatening me with lethal force I will absolutely defend myself with lethal force.

Their life is no more important than mine: Equal Protection Under The Law.

Unfortunately if it comes to that and if you live to tell the tale, you'll be telling it from behind the prison bars with no chance of parole.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This one has a long history of absolute stupidity when it comes to firearms and their use against the government.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Unfortunately if it comes to that and if you live to tell the tale, you'll be telling it from behind the prison bars with no chance of parole.

this.

 

[Jhhnn]

She's correct in her reading of the 2nd Amendment. It's about our right to defend from government and so long as we have the right to defend ourselves from government the expectation is that government will not be something we need to defend from.

And I agree that if I am confronted by a cop who can't articulate a justifiable reason for threatening me with lethal force I will absolutely defend myself with lethal force.

Their life is no more important than mine: Equal Protection Under The Law.

Yeppers. So called "Patriot" insanity. Militias were established to protect the govt in lieu of a standing army, not to protect Americans of the times from the govt.

You apparently missed that grade school history lesson.

 

[Jhhnn]

So, Trump/Fiore 2016! The Dream Ticket!

Go for it!

 

[DrPizza]

So... if there's a pro-gun Democrat who isn't bat shit insane, they'll win that seat in Nevada?

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Yeppers. So called "Patriot" insanity. Militias were established to protect the govt in lieu of a standing army, not to protect Americans of the times from the govt.

You apparently missed that grade school history lesson.

You made me laugh out loud!

If what you say were true then George Washington was fighting for the British, wasn't he?

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Unfortunately if it comes to that and if you live to tell the tale, you'll be telling it from behind the prison bars with no chance of parole.

No, if it comes to that then I'll NEVER tell the tale.

 

[zinfamous]

She's correct in her reading of the 2nd Amendment. It's about our right to defend from government and so long as we have the right to defend ourselves from government the expectation is that government will not be something we need to defend from.

And I agree that if I am confronted by a cop who can't articulate a justifiable reason for threatening me with lethal force I will absolutely defend myself with lethal force.

Their life is no more important than mine: Equal Protection Under The Law.

I see you're going places.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

I see you're going places.

So here's the question:

Is a police officer's life worth more than a law abiding civilians' life?

And are you willing to obediently die without a fight when a police officer decides to kill you?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

 

[zinfamous]

So here's the question:

Is a police officer's life worth more than a law abiding civilians' life?

Of course not.

And are you willing to obediently die without a fight when a police officer decides to kill you?

lolnotworried. I'm a whitey.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Feel free to do whatever trips your trigger but you can bet your sweet ass I will never point a gun at a cop that's pointing their gun a me.

 

[nakedfrog]

So here's the question:

Is a police officer's life worth more than a law abiding civilians' life?

And are you willing to obediently die without a fight when a police officer decides to kill you?

Here's the follow-up question:

So you gunned down the cop that had his weapon pointed at you. Have you fully considered what's going to happen next?

 

[Fern]

Yeppers. So called "Patriot" insanity. Militias were established to protect the govt in lieu of a standing army, not to protect Americans of the times from the govt.

You apparently missed that grade school history lesson.

Nah, he just went to a decent grade school.

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts / I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

He was a FF involved in drafting the Bill of Rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry

There are numerous other quotes by other FF's.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Nah, he just went to a decent grade school.



He was a FF involved in drafting the Bill of Rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry

There are numerous other quotes by other FF's.

Fern

The theory at the time was that a militia wouldn't turn against the people the same way that the King's standing Army had been turned against the colonists. It was never intended that they fight the govt, something your quote shows quite clearly. They always were intended to be an instrument of State power no matter how desperately claims are made to the contrary.

Today's militias are just fringey delusionists playing soldier.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Here's the follow-up question:

So you gunned down the cop that had his weapon pointed at you. Have you fully considered what's going to happen next?

1. There will be a very spiffy funeral.

2. It won't be mine.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Feel free to do whatever trips your trigger but you can bet your sweet ass I will never point a gun at a cop that's pointing their gun a me.

Why?

That's a relevant question.

Because the officer will feel threatened by your aiming deadly force at them?

And what are YOU supposed to think and feel when you're doing nothing wrong and you end up with deadly force being aimed at you?

Worse, what if you're being shot at for no good reason (as has happened to a lot of people in this country) do you have an obligation to die or do you have a right to defend yourself?

 

[Fern]

If cops aim at you first you'd be an idiot to try and draw on them. I don't care how fast you think you think are. You'll get shot. Heck, I'd be afraid to reach for a cell phone.

Fern

 

[Bart*Simpson]

If cops aim at you first you'd be an idiot to try and draw on them. I don't care how fast you think you think are. You'll get shot. Heck, I'd be afraid to reach for a cell phone.

Fern

I've survived worse. I'm sure a good number of people on this board can say the same.

And I would not reach for a cell phone. These days cops fear cell phones far more than they fear guns.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bart seems to be channeling Lavoy Finicum...

 

[Moonbeam]

On the one hand there are cops who have shot people whose lose has been worse for the justice than if they were shot themselves. On the other hand to right such injustice equals attempted suicide by cop percentage wise. I bet the fear of authority outweighs any inborn instinct for self preservation even to the extent that a police state seems to be an inevitability. The individual fear of suicide by cop leads to societal suicide by an authoritarian state.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why?

That's a relevant question.

Because the officer will feel threatened by your aiming deadly force at them?

And what are YOU supposed to think and feel when you're doing nothing wrong and you end up with deadly force being aimed at you?

Worse, what if you're being shot at for no good reason (as has happened to a lot of people in this country) do you have an obligation to die or do you have a right to defend yourself?

I've already been pulled over years ago at 2am in a stretch known for drug running on I-95 in Georgia, the second officer had his weapon drawn and pointed at me until they determined I was no threat/no warrants pending.

Even though I was legally carrying a concealed weapon I felt no need to make the situation worse. After the officer saw my drivers license/concealed weapons permit and knew I was carrying he just asked for me to place it on the dash in plain view and out of my normal reach.

I was on my way again within 15 minutes without issue. Imagine what would have happened if I pulled my gun.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Here's the follow-up question:

So you gunned down the cop that had his weapon pointed at you. Have you fully considered what's going to happen next?

I'd say that his problem starts when he points the gun a (presumably) uniformed law officer, not when he starts unloading. Even if neither of them fire a bullet, a civilian pointing a gun at a law officer may still get a charge against them. Saying the officer didn't satisfy the need for an adequate explanation regarding the appropriateness of their use of force probably won't cut it in any court.