Networking XP and 98 machines... HELP!

[dz3]

I have an office network w/ two windows 98 Pc's connected to each other via NetBEUI and to a T-1 via TCP/IP. They run through a ethernet hub. The two 98 machines are seeing each other fine and both have access to the T-1 but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get the XP machine on the workgroup!

I want to add the PC running XP Home onto the network. I know that XP home does not support NetBEUI so how should I do this? The XP machine will need to be networked to the 98 machines as well as the T-1.

Should I install the NetBEUI protocol on the XP machine anyway even though it is not 'supported'? Should I make the entire workgroup run on TCP/IP only?

Thanks for any help on the subject.

 

[JackMDS]

As a first step unbind NetBEUI on all computers, and make it work with TCP/IP. (I used to recommend the opposite, but the NetBEUI trepidation in XP made me change the strategy).

When you get it running using TCP/IP, try NetBEUI again (Not been supported by Microsoft is a moot issue at the moment).

Basic Network setting of WinXP Home, and Pro, is basically the same.

The following links may be of help:

Setting Network in XP Pro.

Sharing in XP Pro.

Where is NETBEUI in WinXP?

If you need to go over Win98 sharing:

Networking and sharing between computers.

 

[dz3]

Thanks for the reply. One more question if I may.

I don't have much experience setting up TCP/IP networks, I have only set up TCP/IP for broadband connections and NetBUIE for the workgroup.

The PC's are set up w/ the TCP/IP configs (DNS/IP etc...) to be conneced to the T-1. How do I make it so these computers and the XP machine communicate w/ each other via TCP/IP as well as communicate w/ the T-1?

Thanks for the help....

David

 

[JackMDS]

A BBS forum is not the right medium to go through a whole Network TCP/IP setting. Be very careful, since your Internet works well.

If you will read carefully the Links in my previous posting there is the information necessary.

Basically, you have to Unbind NetBEUI (in the Protocol Properties) from File sharing. Bind TCP/IP to the sharing (in the Protocol Properties). Make TCP/IP the default protocol, and make sure that the IP scheme for TCP/IP is correctly set.

 

[dz3]

Once again, thank you for the prompt reply.

I assume that besides un-binding netBEUI and binding TCP/IP, there is nothing else I have to do with the TCP/IP settings. The IP's and such are already configured to work w/ the t-1. There is no reason to change any IP info or DNS info.... correct?

You have been a great help, thanks a million.


BTW: Why the hell did MS do away w/ netBEUI anyway? It is the best and easiest choice for small work group networks.

 

[JackMDS]

NetBEUI is there (see the link above), but the XP installation is quirky.

Once every thing works with TCP/IP, and you feel secure knowing all the setting give it a try.

If you start with NetBEUI before you make sure that your whole Network is working you have big chance that you will get ?Nowhere? (not your fault but XP).

 

[Erioll]

I'm wondering about a similar task, but the problem is that I have tighter restrictions. Before, my computers both were Win98SE, and connected to a Hub with a cable modem. Both used DHCP for IP addresses, and had TCP/IP, IPX, and NetBEUI all installed. When I was using file and print sharing, all I was using was "share level access control". Neither computer had its "Primary network logon" to Microsoft networks. Both were just "Windows Logon". It worked. I don't know exactly what it was using to transfer, IPX, TCP/IP, or what, but it worked.

Now I have my new machine (sweet AthlonXP 1600+) with WinXP Home Edition, and they just don't see each other. I would go all out and change a bunch of stuff, but my Dad says "Its YOUR computer's problem, since mine always worked. DON'T change anything." I am in a bit of a situation since I have no idea if it is something I have NOT done on mine yet, or if you just can't keep the old Win98SE config on his machine.

In my XP networking, I disabled the firewall, and have TCP/IP enabled with DHCP getting my IP, but I don't know how to "see" the other computer. I haven't installed NetBEUI by the method on Anandtech yet, but I'm wondering why I have to?

I would appreciate any help you could offer. Do I have to set up user accounts and make my parents "log in" (they really hate this), or is there something else I can do to XP?

Thanks

Erioll
kwfrandsen@shaw.ca

 

[JackMDS]

First get into Win98se, and find out what is the setting.

1. Which protocol is the default protocol?
2. What is bound to what?
3. What components are shared?

Try to emulate similar setting in WinXP, and see if it works.

WinXP is not as forgiving as Win98; i.e. if Win98 has unorthodox setting, but somehow works WinXP probably will refuse to cooperate.

You can find info about WinXP setting in the links above.

 

[Erioll]

In Win98SE, file and print sharing, and client for microsoft networks are bound to EVERYTHING. All protocols are bound to them, so I don't know which it's REALLY using.

Sorry for giving you such a problem

Erioll

PS Is it possible to still use some form of "share level access control" or do you need to do it by user when using xp?