Network weakness really pathetic, but school doesnt think so

[wetcat007]

Alright, on my high schools network, i found some hilarious bugs involving shortcuts, allowing u to bypass their security programs, and found login scripts on their servers to get other network drives and so on, well anyways, i had some of these shortcuts and stuff saved to my student folder, which I'll admit was not a bright idea on my part. Anyways, they went snooping through peoples drives, the next day i get called down to talk to the assistant principal and the network admins about the breach in security, they want to expell me and said they'd contact the Police or FBI(i have no idea what they are thinking lmao)???? lol I myself find it really funny that they completly freaked about this, so they got out the dumb network user agreement claiming i violated it, it states on the part they were showing, you can not malisciously destroy other users data, well bare in mind i did nothing of harm, and was finding weaknesses becuz well i was bored. So basically they are saying i deserved to be expelled because i can access a network drive by creating a shortcut targeting to it, I never did any damage or anything, they simply found this stuff while checking student network drives, since i saved it without really thinking that they do eventually look through network drives to delete games and junk. But does anyone here think expulsion is just a tad bit harsh for creating a shortcut?

-Mark

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

You should have told them you were finding all the holes in their network and you were going to contact them about getting them fixed as soon as you found them all

But yes, expulsion does seem a bit harsh. Although, as you said what you did wasn't the most wise thing.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Alright, on my high schools network, i found some hilarious bugs involving shortcuts, allowing u to bypass their security programs, and found login scripts on their servers to get other network drives and so on, well anyways, i had some of these shortcuts and stuff saved to my student folder, which I'll admit was not a bright idea on my part. Anyways, they went snooping through peoples drives, the next day i get called down to talk to the assistant principal and the network admins about the breach in security, they want to expell me and said they'd contact the Police or FBI(i have no idea what they are thinking lmao)???? lol I myself find it really funny that they completly freaked about this, so they got out the dumb network user agreement claiming i violated it, it states on the part they were showing, you can not malisciously destroy other users data, well bare in mind i did nothing of harm, and was finding weaknesses becuz well i was bored. So basically they are saying i deserved to be expelled because i can access a network drive by creating a shortcut targeting to it, I never did any damage or anything, they simply found this stuff while checking student network drives, since i saved it without really thinking that they do eventually look through network drives to delete games and junk. But does anyone here think expulsion is just a tad bit harsh for creating a shortcut?

-Mark

aint illegal to look around at what you can do.

it's illegal to put that into practice.

i found my entire school's student id number roster. (id for every student.. it's a number used for lots of things. access to accounts, pin number for food sales, etc etc.

anyway, i told the school, but not before i dragged a copy onto the zip disc i always carried.

 

[silverpig]

You = st00pid for leaving evidence.

They = over reacting because they think you're a hacker and hackers are bad.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Alright, on my high schools network, i found some hilarious bugs involving shortcuts, allowing u to bypass their security programs, and found login scripts on their servers to get other network drives and so on, well anyways, i had some of these shortcuts and stuff saved to my student folder, which I'll admit was not a bright idea on my part. Anyways, they went snooping through peoples drives, the next day i get called down to talk to the assistant principal and the network admins about the breach in security, they want to expell me and said they'd contact the Police or FBI(i have no idea what they are thinking lmao)???? lol I myself find it really funny that they completly freaked about this, so they got out the dumb network user agreement claiming i violated it, it states on the part they were showing, you can not malisciously destroy other users data, well bare in mind i did nothing of harm, and was finding weaknesses becuz well i was bored. So basically they are saying i deserved to be expelled because i can access a network drive by creating a shortcut targeting to it, I never did any damage or anything, they simply found this stuff while checking student network drives, since i saved it without really thinking that they do eventually look through network drives to delete games and junk. But does anyone here think expulsion is just a tad bit harsh for creating a shortcut?

-Mark

aint illegal to look around at what you can do.

it's illegal to put that into practice.

i found my entire school's student id number roster. (id for every student.. it's a number used for lots of things. access to accounts, pin number for food sales, etc etc.

anyway, i told the school, but not before i dragged a copy onto the zip disc i always carried.

Yeah i found a similar thing to that as well lmao

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: silverpig
You = st00pid for leaving evidence.

They = over reacting because they think you're a hacker and hackers are bad.

yeah they called me a hacker, but i wouldnt really consider using a shortcut hacking...

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: wetcat007

Originally posted by: silverpig
You = st00pid for leaving evidence.

They = over reacting because they think you're a hacker and hackers are bad.

yeah they called me a hacker, but i wouldnt really consider using a shortcut hacking...

To them, bringing up picture6.jpg without a link considering that 1-5 are linked would make you a hacker.

 

[nsafreak]

Well if you don't get expelled make sure you don't do that kind of snooping anymore as I'm sure they'll be watching you like a hawk from this point on either way. Yeah I do believe they're overreacting but you also need to understand that their so-called 'network administrators' would probably forget to disable the guest user account under Windows 2K/XP if it wasn't already disabled by default.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: wetcat007

Originally posted by: silverpig
You = st00pid for leaving evidence.

They = over reacting because they think you're a hacker and hackers are bad.

yeah they called me a hacker, but i wouldnt really consider using a shortcut hacking...

To them, bringing up picture6.jpg without a link considering that 1-5 are linked would make you a hacker.

 

[Eli]

You need to explain the situation to someone who understands.

 

[brxndxn]

When I was in 8th grade, we had a little genius kid (8 years old) who joined it. My friends and I let him hang out with us (no one else would). Once, him and I were screwing around on the library computers and we were sick of the stupid arrogant (sic) librarians acting as the gatekeepers of the Macintosh CDRom drives every time we wanted to access a new program.

So, we just started guessing passwords while we were waiting for a librarian one time. And we found it. The stupid idiotic librarians chose 'secret' as their uber-secure password. Mostly it was me doing the dirty work and the genius kid laughing and watching. But, my stupid school decided to suspend us both for 3 days each - a horrible move on my school's part. How did they find out? I told them. I said they should change their password. LOL.. idiots.

Me, I didn't care. As for the genius kid, his parents removed him from our school. We were growing quite fond of the lil' pecker too. Oh well.. People that know little are idiots.

 

[Mill]

I remember the time I got written up and threatened with suspension myself. Someone modified either win.ini or system.ini(can't remember which one) and changed the Shell from Explorer to SOL.exe. They did it to each computer in the lab and the fvcktard teacher couldn't figure it out. I walked in 1st Block and saw all the computers like that and started laughing. When I saw she was fumble-fvcking around, I fixed each one in a matter of seconds. I was then accused of changing the computers myself and was written up for a class 2 offense. Luckily I got my HS Counselor to stand up for me and got the write-up dismissed.

Nothing, however, compared to the idiocy of my former school my ninth grade year. Anyone remember the Anarchist cookbook and AOL progs? Well... some friends of mine traded disks on the bus on the way to school. Evidently one of the parents saw the anarchist cookbook and the progs; they freaked and called the school(because the dumbass ratted on his friends) and the school did the whole flip out thing. Detention was handed down and everyone was sternly warned. Nothing illegal was done and nothing violated school policy. Idiot schools these days. Hell, I had the novell Admin long in for the entire county. I could have changed grades, dropped students, raised lunch prices and done pretty much anything. Never did a damn thing though.

 

[wetcat007]

Anyone think if i got a lawyer into this, they'd lighten up?

 

[bleeb]

Originally posted by: silverpig
You = st00pid for leaving evidence.

They = over reacting because they think you're a hacker and hackers are bad.

Do the MODs a big favor and BAN YOURSELF!!! :beer::beer:

 

[Vortex22]

Heh... we were challenged by our schools network admin to "try and get through the unbreakable computer security system". One windows boot disk and 5 minutes later we had it cracked. He threatened to write us up for it also

We had a special network drive set aside for our AP comp sci class, and in order for us to use it they had to give our logins some sort of extra permissions. Well, after dicovering that we had access to every private network drive in the school, we did some harmless snooping and discovered quite a few interesting things: a folder full of porn vids, Starcraft (playable from the network), and a bunch of teachers' online gradebooks. We never tampered with anything or told anyone.

 

[Ameesh]

you should get expelled h4x0r

 

[nodoubts2k]

we always used to do net send to the entire student domain, it was funny...come to think of it i dont think they disabled the protocol...whatever it got boring after a while.

 

[dmcowen674]

If you in fact did no harm and did not have "malicious" intent then show them my website.

They should learn, you should learn and both go on in life.

 

[RMSistight]

If they expel you, get a lawyer. If you lose, sneek into school, screw up their entire network and call it a day. Then grab a beer to cool off. hahhaah...You're still high school dude, don't freak out. But then again, if they let it slide, better make sure you don't do it again. Ahhh...high school days...God I DON'T MISS them. Why? High school sucked for me. Sitting in class with a bunch of dumba**es who didn't care about school and wondering why I had to deal with them. Then, college rocks. Then again, there are some dumba**es, but much less because you have to get INTO college and you have to pay for school, so it's not a game.

:beer::beer:

 

[ScoobMaster]

Hey -

I AM a k-12 school district network admin (well my official title is senior PC-LAN technician, but I digress....)

We're not ALL idiots SOME of us read and post on AT and ATOT


For the record, we don't enjoy playing cat-and-mouse with bored students probing for every little hole that Novell, Microsoft, etc left open. We would rather spend our time building servers and keeping the network updated with the latest revisions and patches. However.................most of us that KNOW what we are doing were YOU guys in our past (and we remember what WE were capable of and how you think at your age ) That sad fact is that I was much more tech-savvy in my late teens and college years when I spent all my waking hours at a keyboard. Now being a husband, father, and homeowner takes up so much of my time that I just can't always play at home all the time and discover all these neat tricks like I used to.

Of course, my secret weapon is to get some friendly honest kids that DO have the time to poke, probe , and discover these things (like many of you I am sure) to keep me up on them.

The difference is in my district I *ASK* certain students for input and work with them when testing.

 

[Descartes]

I was solicited on two occasions by different teachers to do questionable things on the school's system. I had a trig teacher who was also a coach who requested I remove the licensing limitation on an extremely old DOS-based baseball software. I spent most of my time in that class writing little programs on his box anyway, so he thought he'd put me to "better" use. I had another English teacher who requested I "pay some bills" in exchange for an A for the entire year. I didn't think much of it at the time, but had I brought their requests to the proper people I'm certain they'd be reprimanded.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: wetcat007
Alright, on my high schools network, i found some hilarious bugs involving shortcuts, allowing u to bypass their security programs, and found login scripts on their servers to get other network drives and so on, well anyways, i had some of these shortcuts and stuff saved to my student folder, which I'll admit was not a bright idea on my part. Anyways, they went snooping through peoples drives, the next day i get called down to talk to the assistant principal and the network admins about the breach in security, they want to expell me and said they'd contact the Police or FBI(i have no idea what they are thinking lmao)???? lol I myself find it really funny that they completly freaked about this, so they got out the dumb network user agreement claiming i violated it, it states on the part they were showing, you can not malisciously destroy other users data, well bare in mind i did nothing of harm, and was finding weaknesses becuz well i was bored. So basically they are saying i deserved to be expelled because i can access a network drive by creating a shortcut targeting to it, I never did any damage or anything, they simply found this stuff while checking student network drives, since i saved it without really thinking that they do eventually look through network drives to delete games and junk. But does anyone here think expulsion is just a tad bit harsh for creating a shortcut?

-Mark

Typical paranoid/incompetent network admin behaviour. Can't accept your own fault so someone else has to be blamed.

 

[Stealth1024]

I'm a Computer Engineering student at RIT but last summer I worked as an assistant network admin for a school district and worked on some major projects -- as luck would have it I worked a few weeks after school started there and I admit it was rather fun... you wouldn't believe the stuff kids try to get into but hey I was there only a few years earlier... lol..

 

[n0cmonkey]

Did you try to notify them of the problem?

 

[ScoobMaster]

Originally posted by: Stealth1024
I'm a Computer Engineering student at RIT but last summer I worked as an assistant network admin for a school district and worked on some major projects -- as luck would have it I worked a few weeks after school started there and I admit it was rather fun... you wouldn't believe the stuff kids try to get into but hey I was there only a few years earlier... lol..

Yep, it is fun. It is sorta like "being on the other side of the fence". When I was a student, I would have probably done something similar and had the same attitude. But things change as you grow older and wiser (you hear that ALL the time, I know...........the crazy thing is that it is ABSOLUTELY true! you will discover it..........but it will take time )

Ask yourself this question. If you had come into a classroom to see a teacher and discovered that they were not there and then noticed that they had foolishly left a filing cabinet that contained grades and other confidential material in it, would you open it and look inside? If you did and a faculty member walked in and caught you "red-handed" with the files in your hands - what do you think the consequences would be???