Netscape 4.x Design Woes

[FOBSIDE]

Okay, I am designing a page and Netscape doesn't like the use of colspan="x" at all. I've tried setting it in a style sheet and my HTML. Does Netscape like to see it a certain way?

I'm trying to create a table with rows like this:
14pixels, 172 pixels, 14 pixels
200 pixels
200 pixels

What Netscape ends up doing is something like this:
14 pixels (something less than 172 pixels) (something greater than 14 pixels)
200 pixels
200 pixels

Does anyone know what kinds of things Netscape 4.x is picky about when it comes to tables? I know there's a lot. I hate NS 4.x when it comes to tables.

 

[alisajid]

You could try layer two tables one on top of the other.

<table with 14px 172px etc.>
<table with 200px 200px>

 

[FOBSIDE]

<< You could try layer two tables one on top of the other.

<table with 14px 172px etc.>
<table with 200px 200px> >>



yeah, thats what i think ill try tomorrow. thanks. anything else?

 

[Ne0]

I used to nitpick my site so it would be compatible for Netscape users. I spent more time editing the site so it would work with Netscape then I did with the original site gfx & layout! It's not really worth the time, 98% of my visitors used Internet Explorer.

 

[FOBSIDE]

<< I used to nitpick my site so it would be compatible for Netscape users. I spent more time editing the site so it would work with Netscape then I did with the original site gfx & layout! It's not really worth the time, 98% of my visitors used Internet Explorer. >>



unfortunately, even if netscape 4.x users make up 2% of viewers, that is quite a lot of people still. my brother suggested designing different style sheets for netscape and internet explorer and using browser detect, but if im browser detecting, should i just create a whole separate page for netscape? btw, this page will be dynamically generated although that should not matter at all.

 

[stndn]

tables in netscape sometimes depend on the contents of your table, as well as the size of the netscape window you are currently using ... even when you use absolute size (with pixels instead of percentage), netscape will try to be smart and expand/reduce their size depending on your window size

another problem is the "invicible border" that netscape use to separate each cells is not really of size zero (even with BORDER=0 -- at least that's what my teacher told me). and if it helps, try to make CELLPADDING=0 and CELLSPACING=0

<TABLE WIDTH=200 BORDER=0 CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0>
<TR>
<TD WIDTH=14>14 pixels</TD>
<TD WIDTH=172>172 pixels</TD>
<TD WIDTH=14>14 pixels</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=200>200 pixels</TD>
</TR>
<TR>
<TD COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=200>200 pixels</TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>

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[Ne0]

<< unfortunately, even if netscape 4.x users make up 2% of viewers, that is quite a lot of people still. my brother suggested designing different style sheets for netscape and internet explorer and using browser detect, but if im browser detecting, should i just create a whole separate page for netscape? btw, this page will be dynamically generated although that should not matter at all. >>



Yeah you should create a seperate page for netscape users.

 

[joinT]

joinT's reasons why Netscape sucks...

reason # 378:
- Netscape 4.x doesn't support css classes named with an underscore in the style name (eg date_time, leftnav_subbullet)

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[FOBSIDE]

<< joinT's reasons why Netscape sucks...

reason # 378:
- Netscape 4.x doesn't support css classes named with an underscore in the style name (eg date_time, leftnav_subbullet) >>



thanks for that. its not something ive done yet, but ill keep that in mind.

 

[kt]

the trick i use for netscape is to have a transparent pixel holding up the table. always work for me, and it will work for both IE and NS4. so no need to create a separate page just for NS.