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Netherlands braces for 'jihad'

Netherlands braces for 'jihad'


By Anthony Deutsch
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published November 6, 2004
THE HAGUE -- The Dutch government yesterday vowed tough measures against what a leading politician called "the arrival of jihad in the Netherlands" after a death threat to a Dutch lawmaker was found spiked with a knife to the body of a slain filmmaker by his radical Muslim attacker.
A five-page letter released Thursday night by the justice minister forced political leaders -- including Amsterdam's Jewish mayor and members of parliament -- to take on bodyguards.
The document, attached to the body of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, was titled "An Open Letter to [Aayan] Hirsi Ali," referring to a Somali-born member of parliament. She had scripted Mr. van Gogh's latest film, "Submission," which criticized the treatment of women under Islam.
Miss Hirsi Ali, who calls herself an ex-Muslim, has gone into hiding.
"Death, Ms. Hirsi Ali, is the common theme of all that exists. You and the rest of the cosmos cannot escape this truth," the letter said.
"There will come a day when one soul cannot help another soul. A day that goes paired with terrible tortures, ... when the unjust will press horrible screams from their lungs.
"Screams, Ms. Hirsi Ali, that will cause chills to run down a person's back, and make the hairs on their heads stand straight up. People will be drunk with fear, while they are not drunken. Fear will fill the air on the Great Day," the letter said.
"I know definitely that you, Oh America, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Europe, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Netherlands, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go down," it said.
Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm agreed with comments by other politicians who called Mr. van Gogh's slaying a declaration of Islamic jihad, or "holy war."
"We are not going to tolerate this. We are going to ratchet up the fight against this sort of terrorism," he said. "The increase in radicalization is worse than we had thought."
Among measures under consideration is an emergency law to enable authorities to revoke the Dutch nationality of dual citizens suspected of terrorist activity so that they can be deported.
Mr. Zalm said the intelligence service, which already has expanded since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States, would receive more funding to help it monitor potential terrorist recruits.
The suspected killer in the van Gogh case, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan national, was arraigned on six terrorism-related charges.
Mr. van Gogh, a descendant of 19th-century Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh, was fatally shot and stabbed Tuesday while cycling down an Amsterdam street. The remains of the provocative social commentator and author, whose throat was slashed in the attack, will be cremated Tuesday in a public service.
The slaying is testing already strained relations between the ethnic Dutch population and the Muslim community. There are about 300,000 Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands out of a population of 16 million.
Mr. Zalm said talks were ongoing with Muslim groups over how to avoid a violent backlash against Muslims.
Arsonists are believed to have set fire to a mosque in the central Dutch city of Utrecht, police spokesman Peter Keijzers said. There were no reports of injuries.
Jozias van Aartsen, parliamentary speaker for the nationalist People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), the second-largest party in the government of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, issued a statement that called Mr. van Gogh's slaying tantamount to a declaration of war.
"The jihad has come to the Netherlands and a small group of jihadist terrorists is attacking the principles of our country," he said. "I hope the Netherlands will now move beyond denial and do what is fitting in a democracy -- take action.
"These people don't want to change our society, they want to destroy it," he said.

The terrorist threat left by Mr. van Gogh's killer carries the ideology of a terrorist movement, Takfir wal Hijra or "Repentance and Flight," which advocates isolation from what it calls the sinful world, Dutch press reported.
Chief prosecutor Leo de Wit said the suspected killer, identified only as Mohammed B., faces at least six terrorism-related counts, including charges of murder and "participating in a criminal organization with terrorist characteristics."
The suspect, wounded in the leg in a shootout with police, has refused to talk to investigators. He was arrested with a note in his pocket titled "Drenched in Blood."
Authorities arrested eight other suspects in Mr. van Gogh's slaying and are looking into any links between the suspects and foreign terrorist groups.
Two suspects were released, Mr. de Wit said yesterday. Six will be charged with conspiring to commit murder, he said.
Prosecutors said all are Islamic radicals of North African ancestry. Four also were arrested Oct. 23 on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack but were released for lack of evidence. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner told parliament the four had contacts with a suspect in last year's Casablanca bombings.

Interesting. Revoking citizenship for departation? Where is the ACLU???
 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
why is it that muslims seem to be the majority of religious wackos?
Because their religion officialy endorses a lot of what we see (not flamebait; it's really in the koran, plain as day).

 
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
why is it that muslims seem to be the majority of religious wackos?

Some possibilities:
a) You're only seeing one side of the picture
b) You only hear about their acts
c) Your definition of religious wacko is inherently biased

Anyhow this is not much of a surprise. The Europeans are not fans of terrorism unlike what some conservatives would want you to believe. Are they going to warmonger against non-terrorist countries to protect themselves? No. Are they going to take internal steps to stop terrorism? Yes. Sounds good to me.
 
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
why is it that muslims seem to be the majority of religious wackos?
Uh-oh...

Muslims clearly lead the world in terms of religious terror.

You don't hear much about Jews blowing up buildings and kidnapping people to execute them.

Some christians are crazy enough to bomb abortion clinics or kill doctors.

But muslims fly planes into buildings, blow themselves up in car bombs, kidnap aids workers and behead them.

My post isn't intended to be flame bait, its an honest observation of world events.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Anyhow this is not much of a surprise. The Europeans are not fans of terrorism unlike what some conservatives would want you to believe. Are they going to warmonger against non-terrorist countries to protect themselves? No. Are they going to take internal steps to stop terrorism? Yes. Sounds good to me.
I think the important point is that taking "supply-level" steps to stop terrorism (e.g. appeasing terrorists), are limited in their effectiveness
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
My post isn't intended to be flame bait, its an honest observation of world events.
I understand...and might partially agree with you...I just think there's a good chance the rest of the posts in this thread will now be a response to what you just said rather than the OP's point...people love talking about religion
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
why is it that muslims seem to be the majority of religious wackos?

Some possibilities:
a) You're only seeing one side of the picture
b) You only hear about their acts
c) Your definition of religious wacko is inherently biased

Anyhow this is not much of a surprise. The Europeans are not fans of terrorism unlike what some conservatives would want you to believe. Are they going to warmonger against non-terrorist countries to protect themselves? No. Are they going to take internal steps to stop terrorism? Yes. Sounds good to me.
So what's your position on the Patriot Act?
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
So what's your position on the Patriot Act?

I am not nearly as negative on it as most liberals. I don't see surveillance and monitoring as a bad thing generally. I'd be a fan of putting up cameras on most city streets to prevent crime. The real danger comes in when one political faction attempts to use it against another (how scary would Nixon have been)? But ultimately I think oversight would help solve the problem. For example with cameras on city streets let citizens review the usage too and require maybe a simple warrant to have access to the tapes (which would be triggered if someone was mugged on the street).

 
Originally posted by: alchemize

Interesting. Revoking citizenship for departation? Where is the ACLU???

For some reason, I think a country where both sides of the political spectrum condemned a government report declaring multiculturalism as a failure/dead as 'too positive' wouldn't really try to oppose that.
 
In related news, the Dutch government is getting ready (re)invade Congo in order to get to go after the perpetrator of this crime.
 
Originally posted by: Martin
In related news, the Dutch government is getting ready (re)invade Congo in order to get to go after the perpetrator of this crime.

😉
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It takes a lot to piss off the Dutch, sounds like this did it.

<---Dutch

So you're a dutch national huh?

I correspond regularly with my relatives &amp; they come over to the states for family reunions, I'm 3rd generation Dutch immigrant. Just sent one of my cousins a Harley T shirt with Dallas, TX on it.

But since I'm not a Dutch national I guess none of that counts.
 
Geez, why mess with the Dutch. Those terrorists should just go smoke a joint and hit the red light districts... sure they aren't the virgins they'll meet in heaven though but try some shrooms in their cafes and perhaps you can pretend they are for a minute and ease the hell up with this nonsense. 😀

btw, ive never been there but a few friends of mine have. Sounds like a really peaceful and relaxing place to vacation one day. And everyone says the people are EXTREMELY nice, even to the foreigners on vacation.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: alchemize
So what's your position on the Patriot Act?
I am not nearly as negative on it as most liberals. I don't see surveillance and monitoring as a bad thing generally. I'd be a fan of putting up cameras on most city streets to prevent crime. The real danger comes in when one political faction attempts to use it against another (how scary would Nixon have been)? But ultimately I think oversight would help solve the problem. For example with cameras on city streets let citizens review the usage too and require maybe a simple warrant to have access to the tapes (which would be triggered if someone was mugged on the street).
Good position
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It takes a lot to piss off the Dutch, sounds like this did it.

<---Dutch

So you're a dutch national huh?
I correspond regularly with my relatives &amp; they come over to the states for family reunions, I'm 3rd generation Dutch immigrant. Just sent one of my cousins a Harley T shirt with Dallas, TX on it.

But since I'm not a Dutch national I guess none of that counts.
No, it doesn't. Score another owned for Infohawk 😉
 
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