Netanyahu putting American welfare (warfare) payments to better use

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Quick solution to ending terrorism is to stop giving welfare payments to Israel. It will never happen because of all the Jewish influence in Washington politics.

Saudi is the home and financial base for terrorism, they also set the minimum price per barrel that OPEC can use, they have a set number they must get to maintain power for the royal family. I bet you think Iraq not being part of OPEC had nothing to do with any of this, or the recent announcement by the SA royal family that they would abdicate power soon. AQ's original manifesto had NO MENTION of Israel, and only the latest updated versions even contain references. SA has financed over 50,000 schools alone in Pakistan in the last 10 years that "teach" their belief system, including Jihad against the west.

We are in SA, or were, for access to their oil, we no longer need to maintain that presence as our dependence has been cut dramatically. While our actions with Israel have produced anti American sentiment, it's still very rare that the US or a US target is attacked over Israel, they tend to attack Israeli's and their interests primarily.

Is the US policy towards Israel repsonsible for the work of terrorists in the former soviet union? They may have given Fife one bullet, but you'll get none from me 😉

Hey Alistar, long time no see! The SA royal family going to abdicate? This is news to me, please give us some links. You pointed out that AQ's original manifesto had nothing to do with Israel, fair enough, but now that it does, can you deny that there has been a surge in support for AQ from people who would otherwise not support their cause? That goes back to Israel causing us more bad than good. Now that AQ has bastardized the legitimate Palestinian struggle to end occupation, they can unite factions who would otherwise be indifferent (to a certain level) towards the US and channel their anger and terrorist resources towards our country. The point is, by "embracing" the Palestinian cause, AQ has turned what was once a secular struggle into a religious Jihad, thanks to Israel, and directed at the US.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Quick solution to ending terrorism is to stop giving welfare payments to Israel. It will never happen because of all the Jewish influence in Washington politics.

Saudi is the home and financial base for terrorism, they also set the minimum price per barrel that OPEC can use, they have a set number they must get to maintain power for the royal family. I bet you think Iraq not being part of OPEC had nothing to do with any of this, or the recent announcement by the SA royal family that they would abdicate power soon. AQ's original manifesto had NO MENTION of Israel, and only the latest updated versions even contain references. SA has financed over 50,000 schools alone in Pakistan in the last 10 years that "teach" their belief system, including Jihad against the west.

We are in SA, or were, for access to their oil, we no longer need to maintain that presence as our dependence has been cut dramatically. While our actions with Israel have produced anti American sentiment, it's still very rare that the US or a US target is attacked over Israel, they tend to attack Israeli's and their interests primarily.

Is the US policy towards Israel repsonsible for the work of terrorists in the former soviet union? They may have given Fife one bullet, but you'll get none from me 😉

Hey Alistar, long time no see! The SA royal family going to abdicate? This is news to me, please give us some links. You pointed out that AQ's original manifesto had nothing to do with Israel, fair enough, but now that it does, can you deny that there has been a surge in support for AQ from people who would otherwise not support their cause? That goes back to Israel causing us more bad than good. Now that AQ has bastardized the legitimate Palestinian struggle to end occupation, they can unite factions who would otherwise be indifferent (to a certain level) towards the US and channel their anger and terrorist resources towards our country. The point is, by "embracing" the Palestinian cause, AQ has turned what was once a secular struggle into a religious Jihad, thanks to Israel, and directed at the US.

would one of those new supporters be you? you seem to understand al Qaeda's "cause." We may need to watch you more closely. From everything you've saud here, your mantra seems to be "Blame Israel." How pathetic. You are deflecting the failure of arab society and arab nationalism on israel.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

I mentioned their geographic importance, and the deep-water port at caesaria. you may not understand their importance since you seem to be of the flower-power ilk. and, for the record, it was the arab numerous mistakes that brought hardship to the palestinians; starting with, but not limited to, the 1967 war, the six day war, and numerous other nationalist conflicts. they were the guardians of the palestinians and failed.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Quick solution to ending terrorism is to stop giving welfare payments to Israel. It will never happen because of all the Jewish influence in Washington politics.

Saudi is the home and financial base for terrorism, they also set the minimum price per barrel that OPEC can use, they have a set number they must get to maintain power for the royal family. I bet you think Iraq not being part of OPEC had nothing to do with any of this, or the recent announcement by the SA royal family that they would abdicate power soon. AQ's original manifesto had NO MENTION of Israel, and only the latest updated versions even contain references. SA has financed over 50,000 schools alone in Pakistan in the last 10 years that "teach" their belief system, including Jihad against the west.

We are in SA, or were, for access to their oil, we no longer need to maintain that presence as our dependence has been cut dramatically. While our actions with Israel have produced anti American sentiment, it's still very rare that the US or a US target is attacked over Israel, they tend to attack Israeli's and their interests primarily.

Is the US policy towards Israel repsonsible for the work of terrorists in the former soviet union? They may have given Fife one bullet, but you'll get none from me 😉

Hey Alistar, long time no see! The SA royal family going to abdicate? This is news to me, please give us some links. You pointed out that AQ's original manifesto had nothing to do with Israel, fair enough, but now that it does, can you deny that there has been a surge in support for AQ from people who would otherwise not support their cause? That goes back to Israel causing us more bad than good. Now that AQ has bastardized the legitimate Palestinian struggle to end occupation, they can unite factions who would otherwise be indifferent (to a certain level) towards the US and channel their anger and terrorist resources towards our country. The point is, by "embracing" the Palestinian cause, AQ has turned what was once a secular struggle into a religious Jihad, thanks to Israel, and directed at the US.

would one of those new supporters be you? you seem to understand al Qaeda's "cause." We may need to watch you more closely. From everything you've saud here, your mantra seems to be "Blame Israel." How pathetic. You are deflecting the failure of arab society and arab nationalism on israel.

Can't argue with facts so now go with the personal attacks? Pull your head out of your ass. We're trying to have constructive conversation, all you can add to that is "you're an anti-Semite/terrorist because you cannot see my point of view". Grow up.

 

[Alistar7]

The US should call Israel to the mat finally, get them out of the occupied areas immediately. The people of the future Palestine may hate the US, but they also understand our presence is needed. Lil is correct that Israel offers us nothing we could not get from another ally in the region, but we need not alienate them in this process. They also understand they NEED our support and will still be loyal allies even after we stick it to them one time like this.

Legitimaize the new Palestinian leadership and win over the people by forcing Israel out of all areas not explicitly given to them, if this means sending in military forces to provide a safety shield or border for the people of Palestine then by all means send them. Immediate and unconditional self rule for the Palestinain people. Israel will not attack US forces, they will pack up and go home. The people of Palestine will appreciate our efforts to give back to them what is rightfully theirs, and repsect their new leaders for garnering our support. We must make it clear to both sides no further military aggression will be tolerated, and that we will defend both from other aggressors. I think we might even be able to have a remote base here and there in the new Palestine if we take this route and change the way we are percieved by the general population. We have nothing to lose by doing this and everything to gain, Palestine will be created eventually, why not be the catalyst and help ourselves in the process. How could AJ and the oppresive ME leaders even spin this against the US? US military forces Israel out and returns Palestine to self rule and sovereignty.........

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

I mentioned their geographic importance, and the deep-water port at caesaria. you may not understand their importance since you seem to be of the flower-power ilk. and, for the record, it was the arab numerous mistakes that brought hardship to the palestinians; starting with, but not limited to, the 1967 war, the six day war, and numerous other nationalist conflicts. they were the guardians of the palestinians and failed.

And to that I responded that, unless all the Arabs "flip out" at the same time, we have nothing to worry about in terms of loosing access to the Suez Canal. I'm not defending the actions of the Arabs, I have many issues with them, this is just not the topic right now. Israel, and our support for it is, and IMO, our unconditional support is unjustified.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The US should call Israel to the mat finally, get them out of the occupied areas immediately. The people of the future Palestine may hate the US, but they also understand our presence is needed. Lil is correct that Israel offers us nothing we could not get from another ally in the region, but we need not alienate them in this process. They also understand they NEED our support and will still be loyal allies even after we stick it to them one time like this.

Legitimaize the new Palestinian leadership and win over the people by forcing Israel out of all areas not explicitly given to them, if this means sending in military forces to provide a safety shield or border for the people of Palestine then by all means send them. Immediate and unconditional self rule for the Palestinain people. Israel will not attack US forces, they will pack up and go home. The people of Palestine will appreciate our efforts to give back to them what is rightfully theirs, and repsect their new leaders for garnering our support. We must make it clear to both sides no further military aggression will be tolerated, and that we will defend both from other aggressors. I think we might even be able to have a remote base here and there in the new Palestine if we take this route and change the way we are percieved by the general population. We have nothing to lose by doing this and everything to gain, Palestine will be created eventually, why not be the catalyst and help ourselves in the process. How could AJ and the oppresive ME leaders even spin this against the US? US military forces Israel out and returns Palestine to self rule and sovereignty.........

Exactly. We are the only people with enough clout to get anything done in the ME. We created many of the problems, its up to us to solve them. Alistar is right, there's no way anyone could spin an UNBIASED attempt at peace against us. But, alas, unbiased is the keyword.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

I mentioned their geographic importance, and the deep-water port at caesaria. you may not understand their importance since you seem to be of the flower-power ilk. and, for the record, it was the arab numerous mistakes that brought hardship to the palestinians; starting with, but not limited to, the 1967 war, the six day war, and numerous other nationalist conflicts. they were the guardians of the palestinians and failed.

And to that I responded that, unless all the Arabs "flip out" at the same time, we have nothing to worry about in terms of loosing access to the Suez Canal. I'm not defending the actions of the Arabs, I have many issues with them, this is just not the topic right now. Israel, and our support for it is, and IMO, our unconditional support is unjustified.

In a time of crisis, you can't hope that they all don't flip out "at the same time." You can't rely on unstable regimes. Israel is not unstable. Besides, we give aid to africa, what has she done for us?

Should the money be stopped? I answered that question earlier. PlusI think it was/is money well-spent. Worth more than money given to africa.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

I mentioned their geographic importance, and the deep-water port at caesaria. you may not understand their importance since you seem to be of the flower-power ilk. and, for the record, it was the arab numerous mistakes that brought hardship to the palestinians; starting with, but not limited to, the 1967 war, the six day war, and numerous other nationalist conflicts. they were the guardians of the palestinians and failed.

And to that I responded that, unless all the Arabs "flip out" at the same time, we have nothing to worry about in terms of loosing access to the Suez Canal. I'm not defending the actions of the Arabs, I have many issues with them, this is just not the topic right now. Israel, and our support for it is, and IMO, our unconditional support is unjustified.

In a time of crisis, you can't hope that they all don't flip out "at the same time." You can't rely on unstable regimes. Israel is not unstable. Besides, we give aid to africa, what has she done for us?

Should the money be stopped? I answered that question earlier. PlusI think it was/is money well-spent. Worth more than money given to africa.

So, should I call you anti-Black because you think money spent on Israeli's is better spent than on Africans? Maybe you'll see why I am so critical with people who play the anit-Semite card. I have nothing against giving some aid to Israel, but giving it more aid than any other country is stupid and unjustified. At least we both agree that it should be stopped. Where we differ is that I don't beleive it was ever worth it.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: drewshin
ha ha, it's so funny how these a$$es bring out the "anti-semite" even if you just happen to look at a yarmulke the wrong way.

I don't see anyone here bitching about egypt, jordan, or africa, even though we give them aid and we get nothing in return. In fact, israel has been our ally for over 50 years, something I can't say about egypt or jordan. I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel, but all some can do here is look at her political faults. if you can't assess the situation and continue to attack israel without justification, then I would say you are bias.

"I've given countless reasons about how invaluable israel"??? Are you kidding me? Was that when you claimed Israel "bought us potential forward bases and friends (hahaha) in different countries"? Or was it when you claimed they would be needed when all the Arabs "flip out". You've not given us one example of something Israel provides for us THAT WE COULD NOT GET SOMEWHERE ELSE with half the heart-ache that comes from supporting a country that has been brutally occupying an entire people for 35 years in pseudo concentration camps called the West Bank and Gaza.

oh yeah, you're not bias, considering you know what you're talking about.

Can you deny that the Palestinians, whose every facet of life is controlled by the Israelis, are not occupied? And forget that, as I've been debunking your arguements, you have yet to provide one good example of benefits we have received from our relationship with Israel that we could not get from somewhere else. But you keep skirting the issues.

I mentioned their geographic importance, and the deep-water port at caesaria. you may not understand their importance since you seem to be of the flower-power ilk. and, for the record, it was the arab numerous mistakes that brought hardship to the palestinians; starting with, but not limited to, the 1967 war, the six day war, and numerous other nationalist conflicts. they were the guardians of the palestinians and failed.

And to that I responded that, unless all the Arabs "flip out" at the same time, we have nothing to worry about in terms of loosing access to the Suez Canal. I'm not defending the actions of the Arabs, I have many issues with them, this is just not the topic right now. Israel, and our support for it is, and IMO, our unconditional support is unjustified.

In a time of crisis, you can't hope that they all don't flip out "at the same time." You can't rely on unstable regimes. Israel is not unstable. Besides, we give aid to africa, what has she done for us?

Should the money be stopped? I answered that question earlier. PlusI think it was/is money well-spent. Worth more than money given to africa.

So, should I call you anti-Black because you think money spent on Israeli's is better spent than on Africans? Maybe you'll see why I am so critical with people who play the anit-Semite card. I have nothing against giving some aid to Israel, but giving it more aid than any other country is stupid and unjustified. At least we both agree that it should be stopped. Where we differ is that I don't beleive it was ever worth it.

and you never will.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

...and you always will. What's your point?

 

[Alistar7]

At the time it was the only viable option, times change. We should seize the chance to change the way the entire Arab world views the US, or at least add one huge positive factor in our favor.


I would tell them France and the EU, the UN, Russia, want you to have to wait 3 years, we say you should be free NOW.....😉

 

[AvesPKS]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
...and you always will. What's your point?

Seymour Skinner

"I'm not principal of the line mother." "And you never will be."

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
...and you always will. What's your point?

Seymour Skinner

"I'm not principal of the line mother." "And you never will be."

LOL!!!

 

[lozina]

I can think of a good reason to continue sending aid to Israel: they use the money to subsidize the construction of replicas of American military hardware in their state and then sell it on the blackmarket to countries like Iran which we imposed sanctions on. Oh wait that's a reason to stop sending them aid- doh!

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: lozina
I can think of a good reason to continue sending aid to Israel: they use the money to subsidize the construction of replicas of American military hardware in their state and then sell it on the blackmarket to countries like Iran which we imposed sanctions on. Oh wait that's a reason to stop sending them aid- doh!

Don't forget selling that stuff to China, India, and rumor has it through backchannels to Pakistan. Oh yeah, and colluding with the South African Aparthied regime in a joint Nuclear Weapons program.

 

[Amirtallica]

Reading through this thread it sounds to me like a debate between a 12 yr old and a 30 yr old. Give him a break yo. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. He keeps saying it's money well spent ignoring the fact that it's money down the toilet. What can I say, some people like to see money get flushed down the toilet I guess.