Netanyahu is using Oslo Accords to annex more West Bank land

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/feature...accords-to-annex-more-west-bank-land-1.423491


he director of an international organization working in the occupied territories told me he was recently asked by an IDF officer the meaning of the terms "Areas A, B and C." Naturally, the NGO head answered that according to the Oslo Accords, A is the area under Palestinian civil and military control; B is under Palestinian civil control but Israeli military control; and C is under complete Israeli control.

"You are wrong," the Israeli officer laughed. "A is for Arafat, B is for bollixed up and C is ours" (in what language, I wonder ). But anyone familiar with the situation on the West Bank, such as Yossi Beilin, knows this is no joke. The Israeli political and security establishment, as well as the legal system, view Area C - spreading over 60 percent of the West Bank - as an integral part of Israel. This is one reason why Beilin has suggested to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to bury the Oslo agreements, the baby at whose birth they were present nearly 19 years ago.


the cycle continues...

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Golly, more good news from the ME. It just keeps getting better and better and ....
 

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Golly, more good news from the ME. It just keeps getting better and better and ....

hey, i tried to stay away from here, but Broheim apparently missed me here, so I will bring you more and more and more news from the ME.
 

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But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. In February 2007, Saudi Arabia brought Hamas and Fatah together at a meeting in Mecca. The talks resulted in an agreement to end the fighting and form a unity government. The agreement also stated that the new unity government would “respect” past accords with Israel, a concession by Hamas, which had previously refused to honor PNA and PLO pacts with Israel because they implied acceptance of Israel’s right to exist and because the PLO had renounced violence. The language was designed to help restore aid from the EU and the United States.
 
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Yah, these are known as "legal territories" and they can build there just fine, these are NOT Palestinian areas, well no areas are but these were specifically conquered from Jordan and THEY DO NOT MIND.

So what the deal is with this except whining, i don't know. If it's going to be given back it would be given back to Jordan and they hate Palestinians.
 

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Yah, these are known as "legal territories" and they can build there just fine, these are NOT Palestinian areas, well no areas are but these were specifically conquered from Jordan and THEY DO NOT MIND.

So what the deal is with this except whining, i don't know. If it's going to be given back it would be given back to Jordan and they hate Palestinians.

Indeed. Jordan were also formed from Palestine which was named Palistine by the Romans and before that it was known as The Kingdom of Israel and Judiah. Arrafat was born in Egypt. Send in to do what he does best. Shit stirring
 

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Why can't they just nuke each other already? This is getting old..
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Silly RavenSeal, its Israel that has the nukes so there is no they. Palestinians have only rocks and bottles, But don't give Israel any ideas, Israelis are gradually warming up to using gas ovens more and more everyday. As the big new Abbas sin is in using diplomatic terrorism against Israel. Silly Abbas, doesn't he know GOD gave Israel and the rest of the world to only Israeli Jews.
 
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Indeed. Jordan were also formed from Palestine which was named Palistine by the Romans and before that it was known as The Kingdom of Israel and Judiah. Arrafat was born in Egypt. Send in to do what he does best. Shit stirring

None of the real Palestinians reside in Palestine today, they are mostly Jordans and Syrians but i suspect you know that already...

As much as i would like to see a peaceful solution in my Israel, it will never ever happen as long as the Palestinians continue their terrorism.

I made this very clear once, once Palestinians understand that Isrel is a nation and recognize it fully, they can have a nation too.

This was the original intent, and ever since Israel has been blamed for the palestinians saying no, we want israel gone, during every war they have shown that.

Fuck the "palestinians."
 

Lemon law

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Will JOS arrogance ever end? As he says, "I made this very clear once, once Palestinians understand that Isrel is a nation and recognize it fully, they can have a nation too."

Funny JOS, most of us remember all your clear proclamation about Afghanistan that perfectly explains why you are you back in England proclamation mission unaccomplished.

At least a broken clock is right twice a day JOS, but when you are never right, you might keep that in mind.
 

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None of the real Palestinians reside in Palestine today, they are mostly Jordans and Syrians but i suspect you know that already...

As much as i would like to see a peaceful solution in my Israel, it will never ever happen as long as the Palestinians continue their terrorism.

I made this very clear once, once Palestinians understand that Isrel is a nation and recognize it fully, they can have a nation too.

This was the original intent, and ever since Israel has been blamed for the palestinians saying no, we want israel gone, during every war they have shown that.

Fuck the "palestinians."

The biggest “fog of war” in dealing with Islam is the confusion about what it is. Try asking someone: “What is Islam? It cannot be reformed. If it could it would not be perfect. Most people have never heard much about Islam that makes sense. Look at the Koran. Who understands it? Most people figure that there is no rational basis for talking about Islam. presenting the facts is not enough.

Sharia and Political Islam are so far removed from Kafir civilization that it is strange. There is a tendency to deny the facts. The inner voice says, “That cannot be Islam. Sharia cannot be that cruel. Muslims don’t really believe that.” Islam is a highly logical and coherent ideology. However, it uses a different logic system than ours. Once you see dualism, Islam becomes straightforward. Due to that dualism there will never be peace.

What you will find, in nearly every case, is a article of a so called "expert” never contains the words “Mohammed” or “Allah”. The “experts” may quote a single Koran verse, but never use Mohammed. Think about this. There is only one Islam the Sunna and the Koran, the basis of Sharia. Why do we need the experts? No one needs a Muslim to define Islam. The Sharia, Koran and Sunna does that for us. Kafirs are hated by Allah simple fact. I am still waiting on this day for anyone to tell me what is a "good muslim"? They avoid answering it because they know it is asking the why. You will see that none of the experts ever speak about the “why” of Islam.
 

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Will JOS arrogance ever end? As he says, "I made this very clear once, once Palestinians understand that Isrel is a nation and recognize it fully, they can have a nation too."

Funny JOS, most of us remember all your clear proclamation about Afghanistan that perfectly explains why you are you back in England proclamation mission unaccomplished.

At least a broken clock is right twice a day JOS, but when you are never right, you might keep that in mind.

That is your opinion. Nothing else.
 

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Oslo stated the Palestinians would stop the terrorism.

Apparently Oslo means nothing to either side. So why refer to it? :confused:
 

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The agreement also stated that the new unity government would &#8220;respect&#8221; past accords with Israel, a concession by Hamas, which had previously refused to honor PNA and PLO pacts with Israel because they implied acceptance of Israel&#8217;s right to exist and because the PLO had renounced violence.

wrong...implied is totally different from coming out and saying Israel has a right to exist!!! Sorry!! Hamas conceded nothing...had they made this concession,Hamas would have dropped their call for the destruction of Israel from their manifesto-- which they never have....
 
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JEDIYoda

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Israelis are gradually warming up to using gas ovens more and more everyday.
What are you smoking? Why would you even say something as outlandish as this??? You run out of stuff to say so you pull this crap out of your hat???
 

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wrong...implied is totally different from coming out and saying Israel has a right to exist!!! Sorry!! Hamas conceded nothing...had they made this concession,Hamas would have dropped their call for the destruction of Israel from their manifesto-- which they never have....

Did I say they did?I know they conceded nothing. They never will. Islam does not allow that.
 

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Silly RavenSeal, its Israel that has the nukes so there is no they. Palestinians have only rocks and bottles, But don't give Israel any ideas, Israelis are gradually warming up to using gas ovens more and more everyday. As the big new Abbas sin is in using diplomatic terrorism against Israel. Silly Abbas, doesn't he know GOD gave Israel and the rest of the world to only Israeli Jews.

Way, way over the line with that remark :thumbsdown:
 

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But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein.
Sure, but Jordan never had any legal right to the West Bank anyway.

Jordan were also formed from Palestine
No, Transjordan was an autonomous region in the British Mandate for Palestine, but it was never Palestine.


which was named Palistine by the Romans and before that it was known as The Kingdom of Israel and Judiah.
People were calling the area Palestine long before the Romans came around, Wikipedia has a list of examples:

Ancient period

c.1150 BCE: Medinet Habu (temple): records a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset) among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign.[1]
c.1150 BCE: Papyrus Harris I: "I extended all the boundaries of Egypt; I overthrew those who invaded them from their lands. I slew the Denyen in their isles, the Thekel and the Peleset (Pw-r-s-ty) were made ashes"[26]
c.1000 BCE: Onomasticon of Amenope and Story of Wenamun
c.900 BCE: Statue of Pedeset, inscription: "envoy - Canaan - Peleset"[27]
c.800 BCE: Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab
c.717 BCE: Dur-Sharrukin, Annals of Sargon II'': records the region as Palashtu or Pilistu[2][3][3][4]

Classical antiquity
Persian (Achaemenid) Empire period

c.450 BCE: Herodotus, The Histories, First historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia. Refers to a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê"[28][29][30] One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people: "the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision"[31]
c.340 BCE: Aristotle, Meteorology, "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them.". This is understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea[12]

Hellenic Kingdoms (Ptolemaic/Seleucid/Hasmonean) period

c.150 BCE: Polemon of Athens, Greek Histories, quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea in Praeparatio Evangelica: "In the time of Apis son of Phoroneus a part of the Egyptian army was expelled from Egypt, who took up their abode not far from Arabia in the part of Syria called Palestine"[32]
c.130 BC: Pausanias (geographer), Description of Greece: "In front of the sanctuary grow palm-trees, the fruit of which, though not wholly edible like the dates of Palestine, yet are riper than those of Ionia."[33] and "[a Hebrew Sibyl] brought up in Palestine named Sabbe, whose father was Berosus and her mother Erymanthe. Some say she was a Babylonian, while others call her an Egyptian Sibyl."[34][35]

Arrafat was born in Egypt.
Yes, Arrafat was born in Egypt, to Palestinian parents.
 

Lemon law

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wrong...implied is totally different from coming out and saying Israel has a right to exist!!! Sorry!! Hamas conceded nothing...had they made this concession,Hamas would have dropped their call for the destruction of Israel from their manifesto-- which they never have....
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Earth to JediY, Hamas as a group did not exist in at meaningful way until a full decade after the original 1992 Meeting between Arafat, Sadat, and Israel. And like Hezbollah that formed in Lebanon, the main starts of both organizations was in their social wings that were needed because Israel treated them so miserably. In short JediY, your complaints about Hamas have nothing to do with the original Oslo accords.

And while we are at it, its my understanding that Egypt itself my withdraw from any treaties it has with Israel on the grounds that Israel has not followed the Oslo accords. Which would then put all 500,000 Israeli settlers illegally settled in the West Bank and Gaza, into total legal limbo. And make third party binding arbitration far more probably possibility.

After all, its only the Oslo concept that allows Israel to continue to militarily occupy the disputed territories and legitimizes the continued Israeli occupation until there is a mutually negotiated Palestinian Israeli agreement.

As we can spare you the trouble of repeating the standard Israeli propaganda line that its only the Palestinians who are to blame for stalling the negotiations, but with all the Israeli settlement and Israeli stalling you should worry more about what the larger world thinks. Because that Israeli propaganda line died a final death at Annapolis.

Meanwhile in a somewhat surprise move King Abdullah of Jordon wants to end his relationships with Palestinian in the West Bank.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=265777

Which IMHO may make a Palestinian State more urgent and may end all Jordanian Israeli water agreements. At the same time Israel risks losing the water resources of the Golan heights, Shebba Farms, and the Lebanese Livini river that are partly contingent on Israel honoring the Oslo accords.

And getting back to the thread title, any excuse is a seemingly a good Excuse for Israelis to settle on more and more disputed land it does not own. And even when Israeli courts rule against a settlement, it takes at least 6 years for Israel to do any enforcement which is seldom.
 
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Sure, but Jordan never had any legal right to the West Bank anyway.

Then how could they convey "title" to the Palestinians when they lost control to Israel? :confused:

They conquered that area the same as Israel did 2-0 years later. But nary a peep out of the world when that happened by Jordan :mad:.
 

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I also do have to admire the Netanyuhu ability to stall things out. As he plays various mid-east problems out, regarding Iran and Syria to take the pressure off any Israeli settlement over disputed territories. But finally a Syrian cease fire may be taking hold, there will be talks over Ira's nuclear programs that could be productive, the US Presidential election will be over in early November, and then its possible that world concerns will finally return to solving the Israeli Palestinian problems.