Nest outdoor camera

[Fanatical Meat]

You know I look at data this way -- where does it ever say data will not be shared and if it does say that data will not be shared can you be 100% certain that your data is not being shared in one form or another??
There comes a point when you just have to trust what you are reading and not read anything more or less into what is being said!
With your concern about data I am suprised you are even on the internet! I am not being mean, I am I believe just beuing practical!
Good luck whichever way you mgo!!

video is my line. I’m not crazy with Alexa but I can tolerate it. I can’t tolerate a camera pointing at me on my own damn property and handing it over to google with the assumption that nothing will happen to it.
i have a nest thermostat I’m happy with and I know that is aware when we are home or not home but the nest isn’t recording any video or audio.
im alright with websites or Facebook keeping advertising data.

 

[paperfist]

Wonder if there are ways to hack these to turn them into stand alone cameras. I imagine they must be running some kind of Linux based firmware? Not a fan of this cloud based stuff either. Seems it's being pushed so hard by stores and the industry as a whole though. do a search for security camera and it's pretty much the only stuff that comes up with the oddball proper IP PoE ones that are standalone.

Last time I checked there were some people who figured out how to divert the signal, but as it were device updates undid their work.

Simple solution is to install it and not power it. If the wife checks say oh I’ll have to troubleshoot why it’s not working.

I’d love one too but that’s some crazy rights to give up. I read last week were a hacker tapped into a camera and spoke to 3 little kids in their bedroom. Really nice. There’s 2-3 cameras you can buy & install where you keep the data in your own network.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Yeah wish they would sell stuff like this but let you run all your own server. Like have the same capabilities/features but that it can run locally off a Raspberry Pi or something. One of the thing with lot of this cloud based stuff is it does have lot of neat features, but there's no technical reason why those features can't exist on stand alone setups that you run locally. For remote access you can just use VPN or SSH tunnel, easy peasy and no need to rely on a 3rd party that could go down.

I want to look into Zone Minder at some point, theft is super bad in my city and I need to put some cameras. Dlink does make some POE non cloud based cameras so I would probably end up going with those. I just hope I can buy 4+ at a time as I'd want to have the same model across the board for simplicity. We are running out of places to buy computer stuff here in Canada, and the few places left never have enough stock. It's crazy.

 

[clamum]

I don't know if it's been posted already, but Smarter Every Day (great channel btw) posted a video a few days ago about taking over smart devices by shining a laser at the microphone.

Not a super simple thing to do (you need a blue laser and you have to encode the voice into it) but it's possible.

I ain't getting rid of my Alexa devices but I'll probably make sure the microphones are pointed away from windows just in case, lol.

Overall I like my smart devices but I wish companies were a more careful when designing them.

 

[Brainonska511]

Here’s how it will go down. Call the Police, have an awkward discussion about what race the thief appeared to be, end description will be something like a tan guy wearing a green hoodie.

Why would it be awkward to discuss the race of the individual if you have actual camera footage?

 

[OccamsToothbrush]

While the police will not expend any effort trying to identify a person in a hoodie they can easily track license plates. What you need are two cameras, one that covers the porch and one in a position that it can read plate numbers.

 

[JEDIYoda]

While the police will not expend any effort trying to identify a person in a hoodie they can easily track license plates. What you need are two cameras, one that covers the porch and one in a position that it can read plate numbers.

That is a very good start!!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

While the police will not expend any effort trying to identify a person in a hoodie they can easily track license plates. What you need are two cameras, one that covers the porch and one in a position that it can read plate numbers.

Good idea but as I told my wife this is a solution that is looking for a problem. 2nd nest camera would be $170 and yearly charge would be $150 (total for two cameras). Putting a camera on the tree to see the street would be creepy to the neighbor and challenging to run power to, I’m not confident we’d get WiFi service there.

Returned the camera today.

 

[Red Squirrel]

While the police will not expend any effort trying to identify a person in a hoodie they can easily track license plates. What you need are two cameras, one that covers the porch and one in a position that it can read plate numbers.

This has crossed my mind too when I setup my camera system at home. Almost need to have a pole at the edge of the yard with two cameras covering the street so it catches license plates from cars that pass by or park. Could be a decorative lamp post and the cameras would be inside the pole itself with a small opening for the lens.

 

[Kaido]

Yeah nope

Google cuts Xiaomi's Nest access for showing photos of strangers' homes

Google has disabled access of Xiaomi devices after a user said he was able to see into the homes of strangers while trying to stream video to his Google Nest Hub

www.cnn.com

 

[Ichinisan]

I'll get back to this thread. I've had two of them since 2017.

 

[Meghan54]

Guess we are Luddites because both of us, my wife and myself, refuse to have any voice activated crap in or outside our house. Bad enough I pay for ADT for perimeter "security" (also known as "your-house-done-been-broken-into" alerts)...in addition to having two dogs in the house.

 

[purbeast0]

I was talking with my wife last night about getting some cameras to put outside our house. My friend has some Ring cameras and the quality on them is fantastic. They are pricey though if you want to run them without wires.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I was talking with my wife last night about getting some cameras to put outside our house. My friend has some Ring cameras and the quality on them is fantastic. They are pricey though if you want to run them without wires.

The nest camera was affordable cost $170, internet requirement was modest *I think* it was 5mb up/down per camera. Admittedly if you wanted 6 cameras and wanted to stream plus game your internet usage would be big.
Data cap wise I think nest stated 24GB per month per camera.

I find it really creepy to have an internet camera watching me while I’m home but I don’t think it is weird to not be bothered by the camera.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Guess we are Luddites because both of us, my wife and myself, refuse to have any voice activated crap in or outside our house. Bad enough I pay for ADT for perimeter "security" (also known as "your-house-done-been-broken-into" alerts)...in addition to having two dogs in the house.

I wont get those listening type devices, I have a smartphone, and that alone can be used to listen to me, sometimes more than I'm comfortable with.

Cameras on the outside of my house would be nice. I haven't allocated funds for it yet...maybe someday

 

[Brainonska511]

The nest camera was affordable cost $170, internet requirement was modest *I think* it was 5mb up/down per camera. Admittedly if you wanted 6 cameras and wanted to stream plus game your internet usage would be big.
Data cap wise I think nest stated 24GB per month per camera.

I find it really creepy to have an internet camera watching me while I’m home but I don’t think it is weird to not be bothered by the camera.

I thought many of those cameras can be set up with schedules or location tracking, such that they only record when you're not around. At least, that's what it seemed like when we were considering a pet camera for when my wife and I are both out.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I thought many of those cameras can be set up with schedules or location tracking, such that they only record when you're not around. At least, that's what it seemed like when we were considering a pet camera for when my wife and I are both out.

Yeah I think it had motion alerts as an option.
As far as scheduling so it works when I’m not around here are my thoughts:
a) stuff that says things like that typically are lying. See the various google home or Alexa things where they said nobody listens but it turned out engineers in India were listening to select audio for quality engineering purposes. Per my previous telecom experience I know switch engineers would occasionally bumble into a call while testing crap out. I simply don’t trust google or Apple or amazon engineers with audio recorded from my house because they don’t have laws establishing what they need to comply with where as the switch engineer does.
b) I don’t trust or want to load another useless app on my phone that will spy on me even more to remove the prospect of video spying. App will likely drain the battery and cause me to replace my phone sooner than I want to because support will be dropped.
c) see item a, I don’t trust them.

 

[Red Squirrel]

So are you forced into these cloud plans with cameras like this or do you still have an option for local recording? I would just hate the idea that if they ever stop the service you basically have a paperweight. Such waste. Then there is of course the privacy issue. Not a fan myself of anything like this, rather find a POE wired camera and setup my own DVR. A plan of mine eventually.

 

[Kaido]

Guess we are Luddites because both of us, my wife and myself, refuse to have any voice activated crap in or outside our house. Bad enough I pay for ADT for perimeter "security" (also known as "your-house-done-been-broken-into" alerts)...in addition to having two dogs in the house.

I caved & went with Alexa. I know it's listening all the time, which creeps me out, but convenience wins lol.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So are you forced into these cloud plans with cameras like this or do you still have an option for local recording? I would just hate the idea that if they ever stop the service you basically have a paperweight. Such waste. Then there is of course the privacy issue. Not a fan myself of anything like this, rather find a POE wired camera and setup my own DVR. A plan of mine eventually.

Thinking about it you sort of need a cloud backup unless you are going business class and strapping the recording equipment down.
Thief will likely target money, jewelry then electronics. Would sort of suck to have a break in and the thief steals the hard drive recording everything.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I caved & went with Alexa. I know it's listening all the time, which creeps me out, but convenience wins lol.

I can tolerate Alexa simply because my wife likes listening to music thru it but I’d prefer not to have it plugged in all the time.
I won the camera battle, I can concede with Alexa.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Thinking about it you sort of need a cloud backup unless you are going business class and strapping the recording equipment down.
Thief will likely target money, jewelry then electronics. Would sort of suck to have a break in and the thief steals the hard drive recording everything.

Ideally you want it in a hidden and secure location. You could also setup two and/or a decoy one. If you want offsite you can still do that by using a VPN tunnel to a leased server. At least it's something you control. Just want to make sure the VPN is setup in a secure way but anything is going to be more secure than these 3rd party services who don't give a rat's ass about your security. What I'd probably do is setup a VPN server on the vlan that has the cameras then have the lease server connect to it. Only allow the IP of the leased server to connect to that port. Considering some of these cloud services are charging you per device this probably ends up cheaper too even with the server rental.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ideally you want it in a hidden and secure location. You could also setup two and/or a decoy one. If you want offsite you can still do that by using a VPN tunnel to a leased server. At least it's something you control. Just want to make sure the VPN is setup in a secure way but anything is going to be more secure than these 3rd party services who don't give a rat's ass about your security. What I'd probably do is setup a VPN server on the vlan that has the cameras then have the lease server connect to it. Only allow the IP of the leased server to connect to that port. Considering some of these cloud services are charging you per device this probably ends up cheaper too even with the server rental.

You are skilled and smart enough to build and maintain something like this. I am not.

 

[Kaido]

I can tolerate Alexa simply because my wife likes listening to music thru it but I’d prefer not to have it plugged in all the time.
I won the camera battle, I can concede with Alexa.

Same. Currently, I'm trying to track down the source of Facebook's targeted advertisements:

* I've received no less than 5 targets ads about things I have never searched for online in the past 2 weeks. Only things I've discussed out loud. I took screenshots of the ads too, to track them lol
* I started killing the Facebook app on my phone after using it, but I still got highly-specific targeted ads.
* So this means either my iPhone is listening to me, or else Alexa is listening to me, and sharing that information
* Separately, I decoupled my Amazon account from my Facebook account a long time ago, and use things like adblocks, and yet my Amazon searched items STILL appear on Facebook under the Amazon ads with their "suggested for you" product suggestions

I'm 90% sure that something on the phone is listening, because I played a very specific board game with some friends the other day & it popped up in my Facebook advertisements a couple days later. The next step is to review what apps have permissions to the microphone (large list), or if the phone itself is just bugged by default from Apple & they're using it to feed advertisement programs, lol. I'd say this is all BS conspiracy stuff, but I have nearly half a dozen screenshots of extremely specific recommendations for things I've only ever talked about & never searched for. SUPER creepy!

 

[purbeast0]

The nest camera was affordable cost $170, internet requirement was modest *I think* it was 5mb up/down per camera. Admittedly if you wanted 6 cameras and wanted to stream plus game your internet usage would be big.
Data cap wise I think nest stated 24GB per month per camera.

I find it really creepy to have an internet camera watching me while I’m home but I don’t think it is weird to not be bothered by the camera.

I don't want any cameras in my house. They are going to be outside. And whatever I get I don't want to run any wires.