Nerd Thread - Star Trek Voyager

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uhohs

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yeah, they didn't expect to be picked up by another station for the 5th season, so they compressed and wrapped up the whole shadow war by the end of the 4th season.
 

Insomniator

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Reading about voyager and the borg reminded me of how bad that show really was.

Borg in TNG = some of the best tv scenes and episodes ever

Borg in VOY = entire seasons of crap that didn't make any sense and just used the Borg to attract desperate viewers.
 

villageidiot111

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Voyager had some sweet episodes, and I really enjoyed the Doctor, he was my favorite character on the series. He had a couple great episodes showcasing him, such as Message in a Bottle and Latent Image.

Year of Hell was great, unfortunately it ended with a reset button like many other voyager episodes.

I also really liked Scientific Method, it was fun seeing Janeway get extremely pissed off.

Time travel episodes are always fun in star trek, and voyager didn't disappoint. Future's end was cool, so were Blink of an Eye, Relativity, and Timeless.

Voyager also had a couple good Q episodes, especially Death Wish. Ds9 only had one Q episode and it was awful.

Reginald Barclay even managed to show up in a few episodes, its nice to see him develop beyond his shortcomings.

Of course voyager is remembered for its terrible episodes such as Threshhold where Tom Paris breaks the warp10 barrier and is somehow deformed? as a result. But overall I don't think its as bad of a series as people make it out to be. TNG had several bad episodes (Masks anyone?), and many feel more like bad soap operas than a scifi show. DS9 started out extremely slow its first season, and lets face it, nobody cares about the Bajorans. TOS is often placed on a pedestal as people remember episodes City on the Edge of Forever and Space Seed, but how can we forget shitty episodes like Spock's Brain? Every series has its ups and downs, Voyager is no exception.
 

techs

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Can you imagine that in a few months we'll be able to watch all 28 seasons of Star Trek episodes streaming through Netflix :eek:

I'll never have the time to do anything else anymore.

When is it coming to Netflix streaming?
 

AstroManLuca

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Voyager had some sweet episodes, and I really enjoyed the Doctor, he was my favorite character on the series. He had a couple great episodes showcasing him, such as Message in a Bottle and Latent Image.

Year of Hell was great, unfortunately it ended with a reset button like many other voyager episodes.

I also really liked Scientific Method, it was fun seeing Janeway get extremely pissed off.

Time travel episodes are always fun in star trek, and voyager didn't disappoint. Future's end was cool, so were Blink of an Eye, Relativity, and Timeless.

Voyager also had a couple good Q episodes, especially Death Wish. Ds9 only had one Q episode and it was awful.

Reginald Barclay even managed to show up in a few episodes, its nice to see him develop beyond his shortcomings.

Of course voyager is remembered for its terrible episodes such as Threshhold where Tom Paris breaks the warp10 barrier and is somehow deformed? as a result. But overall I don't think its as bad of a series as people make it out to be. TNG had several bad episodes (Masks anyone?), and many feel more like bad soap operas than a scifi show. DS9 started out extremely slow its first season, and lets face it, nobody cares about the Bajorans. TOS is often placed on a pedestal as people remember episodes City on the Edge of Forever and Space Seed, but how can we forget shitty episodes like Spock's Brain? Every series has its ups and downs, Voyager is no exception.

Of course they all had their ups and downs. TNG's first two seasons were so bad (with just a few good episodes scattered throughout) that I haven't even been able to bring myself to watch them. And yes, DS9's early seasons had trouble as well; the Bajorans were so angsty and boring. I haven't watched much TOS at all. It's just too campy.

The problem with Voyager is that there was no meaningful character development. The most important characters had no personalities. Janeway went between being a wimpy pushover to having balls of steel and back again at random. It was like they were trying to make her seem like a hardass but also a paragon of virtue. Now in the case of Kirk, he was always more of a badass willing to bend the rules but he still had a heart of gold. And with Picard, he was a more principled, calm, thinking type. Janeway was all over the map and nothing she did made sense.
 

cronos

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When is it coming to Netflix streaming?

There are a bunch of articles out there reporting the deal Netflix did with CBS but I haven't seen any particular dates mentioned.

I'm just expecting to be pleasantly surprised one day to find them suggested to me as available for streaming.
 

Jeff7

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Of course voyager is remembered for its terrible episodes such as Threshhold where Tom Paris breaks the warp10 barrier and is somehow deformed? as a result. But overall I don't think its as bad of a series as people make it out to be. TNG had several bad episodes (Masks anyone?), and many feel more like bad soap operas than a scifi show. DS9 started out extremely slow its first season, and lets face it, nobody cares about the Bajorans. TOS is often placed on a pedestal as people remember episodes City on the Edge of Forever and Space Seed, but how can we forget shitty episodes like Spock's Brain? Every series has its ups and downs, Voyager is no exception.
It does need to be brought up though...Star Trek is really just "The Adventures of Upper and Middle Management....in spaaaaace." :p
They go to the conference room, have a meeting, maybe have a Powerpoint presentation...and we get to watch. Or someone goes to chat with Picard in upper management in his office.

It's much less interesting now that I'm doing these things, though I'm not on a starship.

Pewpewpew!
 

FallenHero

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It does need to be brought up though...Star Trek is really just "The Adventures of Upper and Middle Management....in spaaaaace." :p
They go to the conference room, have a meeting, maybe have a Powerpoint presentation...and we get to watch. Or someone goes to chat with Picard in upper management in his office.

It's much less interesting now that I'm doing these things, though I'm not on a starship.

Pewpewpew!

I never really understood why the Federation, and in turn Starfleet, does not have specialized units or roles. Captains and first officers would be deployed on spy missions and front line combat. Security officers had little to no combat training or equipment to restrain people. Medical staff being near helpless without the Doctor around. The meetings they had never really solved a whole lot by themselves. It was usually one crew member presenting his idea that he/she had already begun to implement and everyone nodding in agreement. Really a huge waste of time and resources.

I suppose it does mirror upper and middle management in real life...
 

Jeff7

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I never really understood why the Federation, and in turn Starfleet, does not have specialized units or roles. Captains and first officers would be deployed on spy missions and front line combat. Security officers had little to no combat training or equipment to restrain people. Medical staff being near helpless without the Doctor around. The meetings they had never really solved a whole lot by themselves. It was usually one crew member presenting his idea that he/she had already begun to implement and everyone nodding in agreement. Really a huge waste of time and resources.

I suppose it does mirror upper and middle management in real life...
Yeah, quite true.
Got to keep a regular cast though, or viewers don't get emotionally invested in the show, particularly if each episode focuses on the adventures of good old Ensign Redshirt. :D

There's so much fun stuff like that on TV shows, like how every button on every computer makes a "beep" sound. It's pretty much saying, "Hey audience! This person here, he's totally pressing a button! Did you catch that? Watch, he's going to press another one!"
That would have to get very irritating for anyone working there.
 
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Yeah, quite true.
Got to keep a regular cast though, or viewers don't get emotionally invested in the show, particularly if each episode focuses on the adventures of good old Ensign Redshirt. :D

There's so much fun stuff like that on TV shows, like how every button on every computer makes a "beep" sound. It's pretty much saying, "Hey audience! This person here, he's totally pressing a button! Did you catch that? Watch, he's going to press another one!"
That would have to get very irritating for anyone working there.

i like the way they fly around (in at least 3 dimensions) using only keyboards. no kb+m, joysticks, wheels or yokes for these guys, they prefer highly explosive das keyboards.
 

qliveur

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Janeway went between being a wimpy pushover to having balls of steel and back again at random. It was like they were trying to make her seem like a hardass but also a paragon of virtue. Now in the case of Kirk, he was always more of a badass willing to bend the rules but he still had a heart of gold. And with Picard, he was a more principled, calm, thinking type. Janeway was all over the map and nothing she did made sense.
So, what you're saying, essentially, is that Janeway was a typical female.
 

Fritzo

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Voyager had some sweet episodes, and I really enjoyed the Doctor, he was my favorite character on the series. He had a couple great episodes showcasing him, such as Message in a Bottle and Latent Image.

Year of Hell was great, unfortunately it ended with a reset button like many other voyager episodes.

I also really liked Scientific Method, it was fun seeing Janeway get extremely pissed off.

Time travel episodes are always fun in star trek, and voyager didn't disappoint. Future's end was cool, so were Blink of an Eye, Relativity, and Timeless.

Voyager also had a couple good Q episodes, especially Death Wish. Ds9 only had one Q episode and it was awful.

Reginald Barclay even managed to show up in a few episodes, its nice to see him develop beyond his shortcomings.

Of course voyager is remembered for its terrible episodes such as Threshhold where Tom Paris breaks the warp10 barrier and is somehow deformed? as a result. But overall I don't think its as bad of a series as people make it out to be. TNG had several bad episodes (Masks anyone?), and many feel more like bad soap operas than a scifi show. DS9 started out extremely slow its first season, and lets face it, nobody cares about the Bajorans. TOS is often placed on a pedestal as people remember episodes City on the Edge of Forever and Space Seed, but how can we forget shitty episodes like Spock's Brain? Every series has its ups and downs, Voyager is no exception.

Voyager had a lot more "lets exploit something that a previous series did to attract viewers" episodes than any other ST series. The ones with original stories were best.

One of my favorites was the two parter where they were sent back to the past and Ed Begley Jr. played a meglo-Bill Gates character that stole technology from a crashed time ship.
 
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Fritzo

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Yeah, quite true.
Got to keep a regular cast though, or viewers don't get emotionally invested in the show, particularly if each episode focuses on the adventures of good old Ensign Redshirt. :D

There's so much fun stuff like that on TV shows, like how every button on every computer makes a "beep" sound. It's pretty much saying, "Hey audience! This person here, he's totally pressing a button! Did you catch that? Watch, he's going to press another one!"
That would have to get very irritating for anyone working there.

Also, computers must make some kind of sound while they're "computing" something, and beep when they find the result.
 

Kadarin

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I never really understood why the Federation, and in turn Starfleet, does not have specialized units or roles. Captains and first officers would be deployed on spy missions and front line combat. Security officers had little to no combat training or equipment to restrain people. Medical staff being near helpless without the Doctor around. The meetings they had never really solved a whole lot by themselves. It was usually one crew member presenting his idea that he/she had already begun to implement and everyone nodding in agreement. Really a huge waste of time and resources.

I suppose it does mirror upper and middle management in real life...

I'm just quoting this because I strongly agree with it. To me it was a major shortcoming of all Star Trek; even the arguably great "there are four lights!" episode had Picard and Dr. Crusher (if I'm remembering correctly) run some black ops mission on a Cardassian planet. Why them? Were there no better qualified people in the Federation that they needed a starship captain and a doctor to run this?
 

Bateluer

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I'm just quoting this because I strongly agree with it. To me it was a major shortcoming of all Star Trek; even the arguably great "there are four lights!" episode had Picard and Dr. Crusher (if I'm remembering correctly) run some black ops mission on a Cardassian planet. Why them? Were there no better qualified people in the Federation that they needed a starship captain and a doctor to run this?

Would you had given a damn if it was two other Starfleet officers that'd never been seen on screen before? Its a TV show, its stories are going to focus on the characters. Its not always a good thing to have a rolling cast. :p
 

Fritzo

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I'm just quoting this because I strongly agree with it. To me it was a major shortcoming of all Star Trek; even the arguably great "there are four lights!" episode had Picard and Dr. Crusher (if I'm remembering correctly) run some black ops mission on a Cardassian planet. Why them? Were there no better qualified people in the Federation that they needed a starship captain and a doctor to run this?

In that episode, each of them had a rare familiararity with the weapon they were investigating.
 

qliveur

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I loved that episode!

Patrick Stewart vs. David Warner. So much win packed into a single hour (or was it 2? Can't remember).

Alas, Voyager had nothing to compare with stuff like that, which is one of many reasons why it sucked.
 

Dr. Zaus

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You imply that an interest in a television genre has something to do with sexual experience, and that being a virgin is a negative thing. Both are false.

I thought he was implying that watching star-trek was positively related to unsociability and unsociability positively related with being unable to obtain a sexual-partner.

Both are true.

"Hey audience! This person here, he's totally pressing a button! Did you catch that? Watch, he's going to press another one!"
That would have to get very irritating for anyone working there.
Right! a stupid BEEP! Soo annoying.

Unlike the PROPER "click" sound I hear when interacting with MY data pad.

Voyager had nothing to compare with stuff like that, which is one of many reasons why it sucked.
I was impressed with a number of episodes of Voyager; The one in the first season in which they point out the tendency of corporations to be greedy and disregard major safety issues inherent in the system was good.

I also liked the time they interacted with the ferengi that had gotten stuck on the other side of the worm hole in TNG.

Then there was that one where people where pretending to be janeway and tuvok was very fun; I liked the omega particle one a lot to. And seeing broccoli again made me smile.

I like startrek; but not the one with sam becket.
 
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