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'Neocons' empowered by Bush win.

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'Neocons' empowered by Bush win
By JANINE ZACHARIA




WASHINGTON

US President George W. Bush's victory over Senator John Kerry could trigger the promotion, rather than the replacement, of the architects of the Iraq war and lead to little reevaluation of his current foreign policy approach, political observers said Wednesday
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The neoconservative thinkers, led in part by Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, who pushed hard for the war ? which has turned into a budget-busting occupation plagued by chaos and violence ? are expected by some to achieve even greater prominence over the next four years.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, despite calls for his resignation following the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, is expected to remain in his post. And there is wide speculation that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice will replace Secretary of State Colin Powell, with Wolfowitz replacing Rice as the president's chief adviser on security and international issues. Wolfowitz could also be considered for the secretary of state job, sources here say.

Other Bush loyalists, including Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, are expected to be promoted.
Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow of foreign policy at the Brookings Institution, predicted that Bush would not "in any way be shy about putting the people he wants where he wants them... So if he wants Wolfowitz as secretary of state or defense, he'll go for it even if the rest of Washington is saying he's too much the architect of a troubled Iraq policy."

A strengthened Republican majority in the Senate will also make it easier for Bush to appoint people to foreign policy positions that require Senate approval.

The war in Iraq, both Republicans and Democrats agree, afflicted, rather than benefited, Bush's race for the White House. But unlike in 2000, Bush won a clear majority of the popular vote ? 51 percent ? in what the White House is describing as a fresh mandate to continue along its foreign and domestic agendas.

"He got elected in spite of public dissatisfaction over Iraq," CNN political analyst Bill Schneider said.

But Bush's leadership in the war on terrorism seemed to trump possible disillusionment among the majority of voters about the outcome so far in Iraq. And, in the end, Iraq proved hardly a top concern despite its prominence late in the campaign. Twenty-one percent of American voters cited moral values as the issue that mattered most when voting, followed by the economy (20%), terrorism (18%), and Iraq (15%).

"The Iraq war was probably on balance not helpful to the president. On the other hand, when voters looked at who they wanted to lead them in defending the country, in the war on terror, and more broadly, I think they decided they wanted Bush," said Richard Perle, a leader of the neoconservative movement that has advocated using US power to affect democratic change around the world. "They just didn't have the same confidence in Kerry."

"There's a mandate for his leadership. And I don't think the public is going to second-guess the tactical decisions that are made with respect to Iraq. The country understood perfectly well that reelecting him meant continuing a vigorous effort to win the war in Iraq," Perle added.

If the neoconservatives do remain prominent in the second term, calls from the more realist voices in the Republican Party for deeper mediation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict could be tamped out. What happens to Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat will be decisive in the Bush administration's thinking as to whether or not to engage more deeply.


Asked if Bush would feel compelled to become involved in peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinians should Arafat die, Perle said, " I don't think he'd feel compelled. I think he'd see an opportunity."

More broadly, O'Hanlon predicted Bush would continue to act boldly, even if his moves are unpopular with a large portion of the US populace and abroad.

"He's not going to change his strategy from the first term, which was to just go for it," he said. "If you had an idea go for it. Whether it was in domestic politics or in international relations, have the courage of your convictions and go with the people you want to have around you."

"He's convinced overthrowing Saddam was the right thing and that a lot of people just didn't really have the backbone to support what was necessary," O'Hanlon added.

It is that conviction, coupled with a steady stream of ideas from advisers, that has made Bush an active president internationally. But O'Hanlon says Bush will at the same time not be manipulated in his next term by zealous neoconservatives, citing the hunger of thinkers like Wolfowitz to see regime change in Iran.

"He's the president. He can make decisions. He doesn't have to overthrow the government in Iran just because the neocons want him too," he said.



So, I am guessing that there are some of you out there that are pretty damned worried? :shocked:
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Thank God I'll be out of the Air Force by January.

I will take that as a yes . ;) You have 8 years, right? 12 More would make for a nice retirement check.

 

Pepsei

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Is this a good thing?

Neocon is like a Democratic-Republican party. Spend like a Democrat and rule people like a Republican. no?
 

lordtyranus

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Thank God I'll be out of the Air Force by January.

Did you enjoy it there? I was thinking about doing ROTC, but I'm not sure I have the vision to qualify. 20/30 left eye.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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well maybe another 4 years of Bush will finally get people to realize the chaos that the neocons have unleashed on America.
 

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"He's the president. He can make decisions. He doesn't have to overthrow the government in Iran just because the neocons want him too," he said.

I think this author makes some assumptions that have yet to be demonstrated. Bush's foreigh policy is not his own: it is the roadmap of the PNAC.
 

SuperTool

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Iran will have a nuke soon. Not much we can do about it tied up in Iraq and all. If we strike Iran's nuclear installations, they can fund and arm an insurgency in Iraq that will make it a living hell for us.
We have put ourselves into a weak position.
 

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
well maybe another 4 years of Bush will finally get people to realize the chaos that the neocons have unleashed on America.

yeah but then what? things will be in total disarray. the damage will be so deep that it'll take ages to recover.

let's not forget they'll leave their mark in the judiciary.
 
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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: DonVito
Thank God I'll be out of the Air Force by January.

I will take that as a yes . ;) You have 8 years, right? 12 More would make for a nice retirement check.

I have 6. Not really looking for any more at this point. It's been fun, but I don't want to spend my 30s and 40s moving every 2-3 years.

Did you enjoy it there? I was thinking about doing ROTC, but I'm not sure I have the vision to qualify. 20/30 left eye.

Yeah, I've enjoyed it for the most part. ROTC has a lot to offer IMO.

Your vision is irrelevant unless you plan on being a pilot.
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Iran will have a nuke soon. Not much we can do about it tied up in Iraq and all. If we strike Iran's nuclear installations, they can fund and arm an insurgency in Iraq that will make it a living hell for us.
We have put ourselves into a weak position.

Wow, why don't you call the military and tell them of your plans. Seems you have it all figured out :disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Iran will have a nuke soon. Not much we can do about it tied up in Iraq and all. If we strike Iran's nuclear installations, they can fund and arm an insurgency in Iraq that will make it a living hell for us.
We have put ourselves into a weak position.

Wow, why don't you call the military and tell them of your plans. Seems you have it all figured out :disgust:

And what's your summary of the occupation? "Mission Accomplished"? :roll:
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Hey this is the course the American people have chose and if this president drags this country further into the crapper it's really their own fault. I fully expect things to be far worse in 4 years than they are now. Maybe then the hawks will realize the true atrocities of war and the incredible hardships it bears upon its citizens. You cannot live in a free society that is constantly at war with the "enemy".
 

Red Dawn

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Living in a Blue state and being over the draft age plus not being female I am fairly insulated from any reactionary action this administration would implement.
 

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"So, I am guessing that there are some of you out there that are pretty damned worried? :shocked:[/quote]

My advice for those of you that are:

For starters, don't believe everything you read and see on tv and don't believe everything you are told by people that want to exploit the paticular situation that you might be in.

Empower yourself and quit waiting for the government to empower you, because it is not going to happen...

 

bdude

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Wolf as SOS? Rums still as SOD?

I'm normally not a religious fellow, but I pray for this country.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Ozoned



Empower yourself and quit waiting for the government to empower you, because it is not going to happen...
WTF does that mean?
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Ozoned

Empower yourself and quit waiting for the government to empower you, because it is not going to happen...

John Titor!!!

I am completely lost on this one. :confused: You will need to elaborate, please.

 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Ozoned



Empower yourself and quit waiting for the government to empower you, because it is not going to happen...
WTF does that mean?


WTF do you care? You are

"fairly insulated from any reactionary action this administration would implement."


 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Ozoned

I am completely lost on this one. :confused: You will need to elaborate, please.

It was a joke. Read more if you'd like.


John Titor entertained, angered, frightened and even belittled those who engaged him in conversation.


On March 24, 2001, John Titor told us he would be leaving our time and returning to 2036. After that, he was never heard from again.


Somebody has to stick around and keep you from getting out of line. May as well be me. :)



 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Iran will have a nuke soon. Not much we can do about it tied up in Iraq and all. If we strike Iran's nuclear installations, they can fund and arm an insurgency in Iraq that will make it a living hell for us.
We have put ourselves into a weak position.

Wow, why don't you call the military and tell them of your plans. Seems you have it all figured out :disgust:

What's your plan for stopping Iran from going nuclear? Let me guess, UN?