NeoCon Republicans raising Taxes faster than Democrats ever did

[dmcowen674]

5-17-2004 Look who's raising taxes: Republican-run states

When Virginia's legislature voted last month to raise taxes by $1.5 billion to fund spending on education, roads and other needs, Republicans who see tax cutting as the party's binding issue were dismayed. The tax hike had been approved by a Republican-controlled legislature with a tradition of fiscal conservatism. More remarkable: It was $360 million more than Democratic Gov. Mark Warner had requested.

Virginia reflects a nationwide trend. The Republican Party, long the champion of less government and low taxes, has backed large boosts in spending and taxes in many states where the GOP controls the legislature, the governor's mansion or both. On average, the largest spending increases from 1997 through 2002 occurred in states where Republicans controlled both branches...

Ohio - Spending in the Buckeye state has risen 71% during the past decade, when Republicans have controlled both the governor's office and the legislature. To fund this spending, Republican Gov. Bob Taft, backed by the GOP legislature, has increased the sales tax by 20%, upped the gasoline tax by two cents a gallon and increased numerous small business fees.

Idaho - Spending is up more than 60% in the past decade, mainly under GOP rule. Last year, Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne sought a sales tax increase. He asked the GOP-controlled legislature to raise the tax from 5% to 6.5%. He settled for 6%.

Georgia. In 2003, less than 24 hours after becoming the state's first Republican governor in more than a century, Sonny Purdue proposed hiking taxes by about $762 million to close a budget gap.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

you give no support for this line of your title :

faster than Democrats ever did

Those spending increases are much lower than they would have been if dems controlled things, but increases higher than inflation are still unacceptable IMHO... unless you have to compensate for losses in federal funding or your investing in needs in education and law-enforcement.

The first one was for education, one of the two reasons taxes should ever be increased.

Of course most of the states who increased where republican, most of the states overall are republican.

Increasing sales tax by 20%? By this math everyone got a 50% tax cut on the first 6k of income with the bush tax-cuts.

Overall the economy had been doing poorly, the states receiving less federal funding, so local taxes should be increasing. The important part is that the states remain fiscally sound while law-enforcement and education aren?t hurt.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
you give no support for this line of your title :

faster than Democrats ever did

Those spending increases are much lower than they would have been if dems controlled things, but increases higher than inflation are still unacceptable IMHO... unless you have to compensate for losses in federal funding or your investing in needs in education and law-enforcement.

The first one was for education, one of the two reasons taxes should ever be increased.

Of course most of the states who increased where republican, most of the states overall are republican.

Increasing sales tax by 20% would be changing from a 10c/$ to 10.2c/$, why not say by 2/10ths of a cent or however much it was? This is blatant bias on the part of the report.

By this math everyone got a 50% tax cut on the first 6k of income with the bush tax-cuts.

Overall the economy had been doing poorly, the states receiving less federal funding, so local taxes should be increasing. The important part is that the states remain fiscally sound while law-enforcement and education aren?t hurt.

According to whom? Just because some would raise taxes does not mean all of us Democrats are tax-happy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Republicans can't really change the need for funding to operate the govt, but they can change the source of funding, moving it down he economic ladder to affect those on the bottom more than those on the top. Cut income and estate taxes- raise sales, fuel, head, excise and property taxes. Increase "fees" for things they demand we have, like permits and licenses. Put the load on the little guy, where they think it belongs, leaving the most affluent free to "grow the Economy", invest in the re-election campaigns of their favorite politicos...

"Local control" is just another way of allowing those whose wealth and income are more regional, national and international in character to escape taxation.

Vote Republican, forget that the political and social advances of the 20th century ever happened. Return to the Gilded Age, to a time when the Rich were very very rich and the rest were mostly hungry and desperate...

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
you give no support for this line of your title :

faster than Democrats ever did

Those spending increases are much lower than they would have been if dems controlled things, but increases higher than inflation are still unacceptable IMHO... unless you have to compensate for losses in federal funding or your investing in needs in education and law-enforcement.

The first one was for education, one of the two reasons taxes should ever be increased.

Of course most of the states who increased where republican, most of the states overall are republican.

Increasing sales tax by 20% would be changing from a 10c/$ to 10.2c/$, why not say by 2/10ths of a cent or however much it was? This is blatant bias on the part of the report.

By this math everyone got a 50% tax cut on the first 6k of income with the bush tax-cuts.

Overall the economy had been doing poorly, the states receiving less federal funding, so local taxes should be increasing. The important part is that the states remain fiscally sound while law-enforcement and education aren?t hurt.

having some problems with arithmetic are we??

20% is NOT 10c/$ to 10.2c/$. it's 10c/$ to 12c/$. HUGE difference there. wouldn't you say?

or he could have said 5% on the dollar to 6% on the dollar.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
5-17-2004 Look who's raising taxes: Republican-run states

When Virginia's legislature voted last month to raise taxes by $1.5 billion to fund spending on education, roads and other needs, Republicans who see tax cutting as the party's binding issue were dismayed. The tax hike had been approved by a Republican-controlled legislature with a tradition of fiscal conservatism. More remarkable: It was $360 million more than Democratic Gov. Mark Warner had requested.

Virginia reflects a nationwide trend. The Republican Party, long the champion of less government and low taxes, has backed large boosts in spending and taxes in many states where the GOP controls the legislature, the governor's mansion or both. On average, the largest spending increases from 1997 through 2002 occurred in states where Republicans controlled both branches...

Ohio - Spending in the Buckeye state has risen 71% during the past decade, when Republicans have controlled both the governor's office and the legislature. To fund this spending, Republican Gov. Bob Taft, backed by the GOP legislature, has increased the sales tax by 20%, upped the gasoline tax by two cents a gallon and increased numerous small business fees.

Idaho - Spending is up more than 60% in the past decade, mainly under GOP rule. Last year, Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne sought a sales tax increase. He asked the GOP-controlled legislature to raise the tax from 5% to 6.5%. He settled for 6%.

Georgia. In 2003, less than 24 hours after becoming the state's first Republican governor in more than a century, Sonny Purdue proposed hiking taxes by about $762 million to close a budget gap.

dave, your statement regarding republicans isn't exactly accurate, they aren't for reduced spending, they are for reduced spending at the federal level, kind of like the federalists. less fed control, more state control, but as republicans take power for longer and longer periods of time in the fed, we are finding that more and more states are getting into financial trouble.

 

[smashp]

In Ohio, The Federal Cuts Coincided with the State and local Governments Raising Taxes.

Oh and our governor Taft Promised during the Election That If You voted for Hagen(D) your Taxes Would be raised. That holds True, As I voted for Hagen, and My Taxes were raised. :roll:

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
5-17-2004 Look who's raising taxes: Republican-run states

When Virginia's legislature voted last month to raise taxes by $1.5 billion to fund spending on education, roads and other needs, Republicans who see tax cutting as the party's binding issue were dismayed. The tax hike had been approved by a Republican-controlled legislature with a tradition of fiscal conservatism. More remarkable: It was $360 million more than Democratic Gov. Mark Warner had requested.

Virginia reflects a nationwide trend. The Republican Party, long the champion of less government and low taxes, has backed large boosts in spending and taxes in many states where the GOP controls the legislature, the governor's mansion or both. On average, the largest spending increases from 1997 through 2002 occurred in states where Republicans controlled both branches...

Ohio - Spending in the Buckeye state has risen 71% during the past decade, when Republicans have controlled both the governor's office and the legislature. To fund this spending, Republican Gov. Bob Taft, backed by the GOP legislature, has increased the sales tax by 20%, upped the gasoline tax by two cents a gallon and increased numerous small business fees.

Idaho - Spending is up more than 60% in the past decade, mainly under GOP rule. Last year, Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne sought a sales tax increase. He asked the GOP-controlled legislature to raise the tax from 5% to 6.5%. He settled for 6%.

Georgia. In 2003, less than 24 hours after becoming the state's first Republican governor in more than a century, Sonny Purdue proposed hiking taxes by about $762 million to close a budget gap.

dave, your statement regarding republicans isn't exactly accurate, they aren't for reduced spending, they are for reduced spending at the federal level, kind of like the federalists. less fed control, more state control, but as republicans take power for longer and longer periods of time in the fed, we are finding that more and more states are getting into financial trouble.

So how much has the republician control congress, senate, and president cut federal spending.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Spencer278
So how much has the republician control congress, senate, and president cut federal spending.

He just said what they're supposedly for not what they're doing :roll:

 

[conjur]

KY is raising cigarette taxes from $0.03/pack to $0.29/pack (Republican Gov.'s proposal.) But, that's one with which I agree.

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: conjur
KY is raising cigarette taxes from $0.03/pack to $0.29/pack (Republican Gov.'s proposal.) But, that's one with which I agree.

I believe Michigan is trying to go from $1.25 to $2.00. And thats cool with me.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Much of the state spending has been due to reduced funds flowing from the Federal governement.

Also, the states were previously reducing capital expenditures and delaying projects to attempt to control their costs in a no-tax environment.

They have been scraping the bottom of the barrell, now funds are needed to handing their spending desires.

 

[hokiezilla]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Republicans can't really change the need for funding to operate the govt, but they can change the source of funding, moving it down he economic ladder to affect those on the bottom more than those on the top. Cut income and estate taxes- raise sales, fuel, head, excise and property taxes. Increase "fees" for things they demand we have, like permits and licenses. Put the load on the little guy, where they think it belongs, leaving the most affluent free to "grow the Economy", invest in the re-election campaigns of their favorite politicos...



Vote Republican, forget that the political and social advances of the 20th century ever happened. Return to the Gilded Age, to a time when the Rich were very very rich and the rest were mostly hungry and desperate...

Basically, the recent tax hike in Virginia just offsets a car tax cut that was instituted under Governor Jim Gilmore.

"Local control" is just another way of allowing those whose wealth and income are more regional, national and international in character to escape taxation.

Or, one could say that "local control" is a way to get more power into people's hand at the LOCAL LEVEL where they have much more access to their politicians. Not only do they have more access, they pay more attention to local politics, thus their politicians are more accountable. OTOH, we could just centralize ALL government, and have the nebulous miasma that some of the socialist wannabe's on this board advocate.

It just amazes me. Our economy went through vast growth during the mid to late '90's, and the pols went wild spending money on anything they could throw it at. Then, when the inevitable economic downturn comes (the dot.com bubble in this case), they are conveniently unprepared for the revenue short-falls. Instead of cutting the waste, their only answer is to raise taxes.

Raising taxes is the only answer they have because promising more "free" stuff is the way that they perpetuate their power base.

 

[Bitek]

Ohio - Spending in the Buckeye state has risen 71% during the past decade, when Republicans have controlled both the governor's office and the legislature. To fund this spending, Republican Gov. Bob Taft, backed by the GOP legislature, has increased the sales tax by 20%, upped the gasoline tax by two cents a gallon and increased numerous small business fees

I thought Iowa was the buckeye state?

Really this just shows that either party in power gets spend-happy to keep themselves in power, not really a great reveleation here. Repubs are just better at giving it lip service.

As a side note, I really wish the dems would pick up the flag of fiscal responsibility. They have been touting favor for "balanced budgets," but this doesn't really go far enough. Bush + Repub congress have left themselves vulnerable on this issue and the Dems have a real opportunity to make it their own (and those voters with it.) But like usual, they have been acting trigger shy.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Republicans can't really change the need for funding to operate the govt, but they can change the source of funding, moving it down he economic ladder to affect those on the bottom more than those on the top. Cut income and estate taxes- raise sales, fuel, head, excise and property taxes.Increase "fees" for things they demand we have, like permits and licenses. Put the load on the little guy, where they think it belongs, leaving the most affluent free to "grow the Economy", invest in the re-election campaigns of their favorite politicos...

"Local control" is just another way of allowing those whose wealth and income are more regional, national and international in character to escape taxation.

Vote Republican, forget that the political and social advances of the 20th century ever happened. Return to the Gilded Age, to a time when the Rich were very very rich and the rest were mostly hungry and desperate...

because only poor people shop, buy gas and own homes???????

uh democrats are the ones who are permit and license happy, for example guns, smog checks etc

"forget that the political and social advances of the 20th century" what like OJ being found not guilty and AA?

 

[Codec]

Originally posted by: Hafen
Really this just shows that either party in power gets spend-happy to keep themselves in power, not really a great reveleation here. Repubs are just better at giving it lip service.

As a side note, I really wish the dems would pick up the flag of fiscal responsibility. They have been touting favor for "balanced budgets," but this doesn't really go far enough. Bush + Repub congress have left themselves vulnerable on this issue and the Dems have a real opportunity to make it their own (and those voters with it.) But like usual, they have been acting trigger shy.

Great post, Hafen.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
you give no support for this line of your title :

faster than Democrats ever did

Those spending increases are much lower than they would have been if dems controlled things, but increases higher than inflation are still unacceptable IMHO... unless you have to compensate for losses in federal funding or your investing in needs in education and law-enforcement.

The first one was for education, one of the two reasons taxes should ever be increased.

Of course most of the states who increased where republican, most of the states overall are republican.

Increasing sales tax by 20% would be changing from a 10c/$ to 10.2c/$, why not say by 2/10ths of a cent or however much it was? This is blatant bias on the part of the report.

By this math everyone got a 50% tax cut on the first 6k of income with the bush tax-cuts.

Overall the economy had been doing poorly, the states receiving less federal funding, so local taxes should be increasing. The important part is that the states remain fiscally sound while law-enforcement and education aren?t hurt.

having some problems with arithmetic are we??

20% is NOT 10c/$ to 10.2c/$. it's 10c/$ to 12c/$. HUGE difference there. wouldn't you say?

or he could have said 5% on the dollar to 6% on the dollar.

doh! yep, post fixed.

Still, by this 20% math everyone got a 50% cut on the first 6k of income with the bush tax-cut.

According to whom? Just because some would raise taxes does not mean all of us Democrats are tax-happy.

tax and spend, isn't that the very definition of liberal?

Maybe you have some backwards vew that doesn't recognise that the democratic party was compleatly taken over by the socialist establishment in the 80s?

Clenton and liberman are the direction that the party should have taken.. but it looks like the socialist left owns the party and moderation isn't going to be the way of things.

someone told these loony lefties that being idological will sway voters.. it's simply not true. The core of the american spirit is still the 'can do' spirit. not the 'do for me' spirit.

Or do you belive that southern democrats still exist? 'cause last i checked we all became republicans along with Phil Gram.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
5-17-2004 Look who's raising taxes: Republican-run states

When Virginia's legislature voted last month to raise taxes by $1.5 billion to fund spending on education, roads and other needs, Republicans who see tax cutting as the party's binding issue were dismayed. The tax hike had been approved by a Republican-controlled legislature with a tradition of fiscal conservatism. More remarkable: It was $360 million more than Democratic Gov. Mark Warner had requested.

Virginia reflects a nationwide trend. The Republican Party, long the champion of less government and low taxes, has backed large boosts in spending and taxes in many states where the GOP controls the legislature, the governor's mansion or both. On average, the largest spending increases from 1997 through 2002 occurred in states where Republicans controlled both branches...

Ohio - Spending in the Buckeye state has risen 71% during the past decade, when Republicans have controlled both the governor's office and the legislature. To fund this spending, Republican Gov. Bob Taft, backed by the GOP legislature, has increased the sales tax by 20%, upped the gasoline tax by two cents a gallon and increased numerous small business fees.

Idaho - Spending is up more than 60% in the past decade, mainly under GOP rule. Last year, Republican Gov. Dirk Kempthorne sought a sales tax increase. He asked the GOP-controlled legislature to raise the tax from 5% to 6.5%. He settled for 6%.

Georgia. In 2003, less than 24 hours after becoming the state's first Republican governor in more than a century, Sonny Purdue proposed hiking taxes by about $762 million to close a budget gap.

dave, your statement regarding republicans isn't exactly accurate, they aren't for reduced spending, they are for reduced spending at the federal level, kind of like the federalists. less fed control, more state control, but as republicans take power for longer and longer periods of time in the fed, we are finding that more and more states are getting into financial trouble.

So how much has the republician control congress, senate, and president cut federal spending.

"So how much has the republician control congress, senate, and president cut federal spending?"

All I hear is crickets. CAD & Co???

 

[Infohawk]

This is but one sign that the Republican party is veering of course. There truly is a battle between traditional Republicans and neofascistcons-who are more interested in fundamentalism, war and domination than lowering taxes. I hope the traditional Republicans win.