Neighbors Stop ICE From Arresting a Man at His Hermitage Home

[glenn1]

The resources were not spent because the agents did not request or receive sufficient authority to remove someone from their home or vehicle. Had ICE done otherwise they would be ignoring our immigration laws, something you say you don't want done?

So your big concern with this is simply the targets happened to not be in an open space when the agents arrived, otherwise you're cool with it?

Should our entire enforcement of our immigration system be predicated on which side of a car door someone is on? How about if they were immigrants with a final removal order that were "people engaged in criminal activity," would you then care if they were inside a car or not? And should local residents engage in aiding the "people engaged in criminal activity" from being detained by ICE and deported too? You seem pretty content with just blocking deportation activities generally.

 

[fskimospy]

So your big concern with this is simply the targets happened to not be in an open space when the agents arrived, otherwise you're cool with it?

Should our entire enforcement of our immigration system be predicated on which side of a car door someone is on? How about if they were immigrants with a final removal order that were "people engaged in criminal activity," would you then care if they were inside a car or not? And should local residents engage in aiding the "people engaged in criminal activity" from being detained by ICE and deported too? You seem pretty content with just blocking deportation activities generally.

My big concern is that ICE needs to follow the law when arresting people. Whether or not you're on the other side of your house door matters a lot as to whether or not the police can search you or arrest you and ICE is no different.

If they want to arrest this person that's their business but they have to follow the law and that means getting a warrant. If ICE were smarter they would spend those resources on chasing criminals but maybe that kind of basic intelligence is too much to ask for from them.

 

[UNCjigga]

DUR HUR lets actively disobey laws and not comply with law enforcement. YEA! 'MERICA! PEW PEW PEW

Replace ICE with ATF and immigrants with assault rifles and see if conservatives are so nonchalant.

 

[glenn1]

My big concern is that ICE needs to follow the law when arresting people. Whether or not you're on the other side of your house door matters a lot as to whether or not the police can search you or arrest you and ICE is no different.

If they want to arrest this person that's their business but they have to follow the law and that means getting a warrant. If ICE were smarter they would spend those resources on chasing criminals but maybe that kind of basic intelligence is too much to ask for from them.

I don't think the OP posted this story because he really cared about the "side of the door" issue but rather there were unrelated citizens there actively blocking ICE from doing their jobs. The targets could have been the "people engaged in criminal activity" that you want ICE to prioritize but it's not like the ignorant Joe Public folks there defending them knew that. Indeed they may have directly caused someone who was an extremely violent felon from being apprehended just because of some naive support "for the undocumented." This is rapidly becoming the "OJ Simpson zone" where folks like you don't really even give a fuck if the person is guilty or not, you just want them to be found innocent because of "persecution" or some other pretense because you think anyone who applies for asylum should basically get it.

To put this in perspective, would you like it if people who claimed to support the 2nd Amendment started prevented the FBI from apprehending people hoarding guns and planning a mass shooting because "the government should prioritize people engaged in criminal activity and not just regular citizens enjoying their constitutional right to own guns"?

 

[Lanyap]

ICE has limited resources and can't arrest everyone. Do you think those resources are better employed arresting people engaged in criminal activity or this person, someone who has been a productive and valued member of society for 15 years? Under Trump ICE has de-prioritized criminal aliens and has turned those resources towards law abiding ones.

According to a WaPo article ICE had the guy under surveillance for a week or so. They were in a white van in the neighborhood. We also don't know anything about the guy they were trying to apprehend or why they wanted him. For all we know he had a final deportation order and ICE was coming to pick him up and they did not have all of the correct paperwork.

 

[DrDoug]

But, if they are out of status and thus breaking the law, I understand ICE agents doing their jobs.

But since nobody but ICE and this man have any idea about the history behind this man and his stay, let's just guess that he's done everything wrong and the government has done everything right so we can condemn him and stand with ICE.

Fuck that.

 

[DrDoug]

It's TDS. It's turned the epically stupid into houseplant like creatures. "Gestapo" and "Concentration camps" were approved as talking points a while back and the cult of fucktards has dutifully used them when possible. It's just another indication of just how far gone these idiots really are.

TDS? You must mean Trump Dick Suckers and talking about his supporters? Where is the list of approved talking points, is Soros handing them out with checks? As far as ICE being the new Gestapo, check out the thread about an American teenager being held for a month (so far) because he's brown and they refuse to believe that he was born here.

ICE is the American Gestapo.

 

[cytg111]

How do ICE know that Trumpf is a citizen when they cant get a hold of his taxes? Just asking!

 

[BoomerD]

If I have to explain then you aren't paying attention to ICE/CBP and the shit they are doing at the behest of Dear Leader. That or you are happy with what they are doing and you only want to waste my time.

Let's see if you can figure out, for yourself.

Do you mean enforcing the immigration LAWS of this country?

I don't understand why the ICE agents weren't allowed to arrest them in their car or residence...that makes zero sense to me. If they're illegal, if they've been ordered to leave the country...arrest them by any means necessary and get them the fuck out of the country.

 

[umbrella39]

TDS? You must mean Trump Dick Suckers and talking about his supporters? Where is the list of approved talking points, is Soros handing them out with checks? As far as ICE being the new Gestapo, check out the thread about an American teenager being held for a month (so far) because he's brown and they refuse to believe that he was born here.

ICE is the American Gestapo.

The TDS was lame when they stole it from Obama who stole it from Bush...

It's a catchphrase used by the TrumpTard faithful to dismiss anything they don't like....

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you mean enforcing the immigration LAWS of this country?

I don't understand why the ICE agents weren't allowed to arrest them in their car or residence...that makes zero sense to me. If they're illegal, if they've been ordered to leave the country...arrest them by any means necessary and get them the fuck out of the country.

"By any means necessary".... No wonder you can't figure out the Gestapo reference...

 

[Lanyap]

But since nobody but ICE and this man have any idea about the history behind this man and his stay, let's just guess that he's done everything wrong and the government has done everything right so we can condemn him and stand with ICE.

Fuck that.

All we really know at this point is that ICE tried to pick this guy up and they didn't have the correct paperwork and the neighbors intervened on his behalf.. If they have a valid, legal reason for taking him they will be back in force and I don't think his neighbors will be able to help or they will pick him up at another location. Everything else here is speculation. For all we know this guy could have been a legal immigrant who's been here for 14 years and did something illegal that triggered a valid final deportation order.

 

[Jhhnn]

All we really know at this point is that ICE tried to pick this guy up and they didn't have the correct paperwork and the neighbors intervened on his behalf.. If they have a valid, legal reason for taking him they will be back in force and I don't think his neighbors will be able to help or they will pick him up at another location. Everything else here is speculation. For all we know this guy could have been a legal immigrant who's been here for 14 years and did something illegal that triggered a valid final deportation order.

Wake up to the greater reality. There are 11M undocumented workers in this country. 2/3 have been here more than 10 years. If we deported 11,000/week for 1000 weeks we might get 'em all. It's an absurd proposition. Nobody wants to pay for that & only fools want the kind of divisiveness it would invoke. What's happening now is that our govt is just terrorizing them with random enforcement that solves absolutely nothing. Other than the random fuckovers, it just keeps the rubes riled up & voting for more of that trickle down feeling.

 

[glenn1]

Wake up to the greater reality. There are 11M undocumented workers in this country. 2/3 have been here more than 10 years. If we deported 11,000/week for 1000 weeks we might get 'em all. It's an absurd proposition. Nobody wants to pay for that & only fools want the kind of divisiveness it would invoke. What's happening now is that our govt is just terrorizing them with random enforcement that solves absolutely nothing. Other than the random fuckovers, it just keeps the rubes riled up & voting for more of that trickle down feeling.

If we can't have total enforcement I'm perfectly fine with incomplete and "random" enforcement. Deporting a non-zero amount of those who have valid removal orders is unequivocably better than not even trying and deporting zero.

 

[DarthKyrie]

If we can't have total enforcement I'm perfectly fine with incomplete and "random" enforcement. Deporting a non-zero amount of those who have valid removal orders is unequivocably better than not even trying and deporting zero.

Who cares if it costs millions of dollars for the 40 or so people that got picked up over the weekend to be deported am I right? We have got to fuck over as many brown people as we can before the party is over.

 

[Jhhnn]

If we can't have total enforcement I'm perfectly fine with incomplete and "random" enforcement. Deporting a non-zero amount of those who have valid removal orders is unequivocably better than not even trying and deporting zero.

In other words, you'd rather maintain the problem than solve it. Because you're in denial of reality. The only way to achieve peace with this is broad based amnesty & legal resident status for millions of people you'd rather just vilify. Like this guy, who's been here 14 years helping make America great. Going to work. Paying taxes. Paying rent & bills. Raising his family. Staying out of trouble. Pluck that guy out of the crowd & fuck him. Because you can. Fuck the kids. Fuck his employer. Fuck his landlord. Fuck his creditors. Fuck him for having overcome the obstacles to get a teensy slice of the American dream. Because of the unforgivable sin he committed in coming to this country illegally 14 years ago.

It's easy for people who live away from immigrants of all kinds to get stupid about it. It's easy to get them to believe all sorts of mean nasty ugly things about immigrants because the have no frame of reference other than talk radio, Fox News & latent xenophobia. Those of us who live in places immigrants have settled, legal & otherwise, don't need the fear. We know they're alright, as much as the rest of us, because we live with them. We need to establish domestic tranquillity & your bullshit won't provide that. We need to be able to police immigrant communities in order to serve the whole community. It's the same with a lot of other aspects of life & governing. We need to not get fucked by deliberate attempts to under count them & deprive us of our constitutional share of representation & federal funding, either.

Yeh, it's obvious that you hate the situation in a truly irrational way. It won't quit being that way until you & too many like you get over themselves & face the honest reality that they have no answers. Nobody's going away so we might as well find a more harmonious way to live with each other. Well, unless some kind of narrow white provincialism lets you stay stupid. If that's the case, why are you making it your problem at all & what gives you the right to tell those of us who deal with it how to do so?

 

[Lanyap]

Wake up to the greater reality. There are 11M undocumented workers in this country. 2/3 have been here more than 10 years. If we deported 11,000/week for 1000 weeks we might get 'em all. It's an absurd proposition. Nobody wants to pay for that & only fools want the kind of divisiveness it would invoke. What's happening now is that our govt is just terrorizing them with random enforcement that solves absolutely nothing. Other than the random fuckovers, it just keeps the rubes riled up & voting for more of that trickle down feeling.

That's a big jump from what I said. Deporting 11M+ immigrants would be stupid and would never work. I've said this before in other immigration threads but we need to just identify the long term immigrants, vett them to make sure they have been a good non-citizen during their time here (like no serious criminal offenses), give them a 2-3 year work permit and a special ID, give them an ITIN if they don't already have one to pay income taxes and let them stay and work.

 

[Luna1968]

If I have to explain then you aren't paying attention to ICE/CBP and the shit they are doing at the behest of Dear Leader. That or you are happy with what they are doing and you only want to waste my time.

Let's see if you can figure out, for yourself.

oh I am paying attention. Gestapo? lol you freak how in the world is ICE even comparable to the Gestapo? there is nothing wrong with roudning up illegals who were told to leave. why in the great blue sky is that so hard to understand?