Nemesis 1
Lifer
Now I am excited. I wasn't real sure Intel could scale these babies its looking good for AI dies.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11350
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11350
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Nehalem IDF @ 3.2 GHz.
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MarcVenice
Moderator Emeritus <br>
These octo-core Nehalem processors will also use the newest iteration of Hyper-Threading, bringing the total count to 16 threads per core.
I think they ment per processor 😛
I think they ment per processor 😛
Nemesis 1
Lifer
Nemesis 1
Lifer
Yes it is. But as so many say who needs 4core chip? Whats got me excited is the latter dual core Nehalms. 2cores 4 threads. Now that will be useful right now today. I can only imagine what the dual core will scale to. But if they release a 4 core @ 3.6ghz. as Hexus sugjest. I see the dualies hitting 4.5ghz O/C easily . Nothing on AMDs roadmaps will beable to compete with Nehalem dual core. Once you go Nehalem 4 core is end game and the reverse engineering company commonly known as AMD . Is were it should be at the bottom . Dam theives. Plus they got away with it thanks to the nazi loving boys from IBM.
bryanW1995
Lifer
(FANBOY ALARM RINGING LOUDLY)
it's not libel when it's the truth, right? 🙂
Seriously, nemesis, why are you so anti-AMD? If AMD were to go out of business we wouldn't get nehalem until 2021.
it's not libel when it's the truth, right? 🙂
Seriously, nemesis, why are you so anti-AMD? If AMD were to go out of business we wouldn't get nehalem until 2021.
:laugh:
Funny to call "repost" on yourself...I think you meant "double post"?
Its good to see you back here Nemesis, hope things are looking up these days.
As tempting as it is to do it, you gotta just avoid posting the negative stuff like this, it won't make a believer out of anyone who doesn't already think as you do but it does do harm to your street perception which then undermines the credibility of other unrelated posts you make.
Just friendly advice, I won't be offended if you tell me to piss off 😀
3.2GHz is nice. But I am pretty disenfranchised over the whole Yorkfield situation.
Sadly I hardly doubt I'll see a Nehalem desktop worth the price (by my standards) until late 2009. Intel has truly trumped themselves one too many times now, as they intended to ensure K8 vs Prescott never happens again, but for a budget enthusiast like myself these aren't the most glorious of times.
bunnyfubbles
Lifer
Can't say I'm too surprised, didn't think the architecture would be detrimentally different from what they've been doing in order to achieve similar clocks to Core 2.
Big question for me is how effective the hyperthreading will be, I have my doubts, I really think its just a marketing stunt by Intel to have the processors sell themselves. They did it before with netburst P4 where they had processors with ridiculously high megahurtz that didn't match up to the performance it provided. Now that the market has long since caught onto the fact that more Hz doesn't necessarily mean better, a new angle is needed. Currently that angle is more cores...if Intel can claim double the amount of 'cores' then that's a pretty significant selling point even if HT only offers a handful % of improvement.
I hope I'm wrong though, because it really sounds awesome on paper.
while many of us can see him for what he really is, and then get a great laugh out of how he could fall for the AMD+nVidia unified driver april fools prank (where he actually uninstalled his old drivers and installed fake new ones), I don't think it hurts to bring it up every time he invites it as he just did (not with his OP, but the follow up where he shows his true ugly colors)
if there's anything worse than a diehard fanboy, its an over the top conspiracy theorist...and he's both 😛 luckily its pretty much way too extreme for anyone to actually buy into his ramblings
Big question for me is how effective the hyperthreading will be, I have my doubts, I really think its just a marketing stunt by Intel to have the processors sell themselves. They did it before with netburst P4 where they had processors with ridiculously high megahurtz that didn't match up to the performance it provided. Now that the market has long since caught onto the fact that more Hz doesn't necessarily mean better, a new angle is needed. Currently that angle is more cores...if Intel can claim double the amount of 'cores' then that's a pretty significant selling point even if HT only offers a handful % of improvement.
I hope I'm wrong though, because it really sounds awesome on paper.
while many of us can see him for what he really is, and then get a great laugh out of how he could fall for the AMD+nVidia unified driver april fools prank (where he actually uninstalled his old drivers and installed fake new ones), I don't think it hurts to bring it up every time he invites it as he just did (not with his OP, but the follow up where he shows his true ugly colors)
if there's anything worse than a diehard fanboy, its an over the top conspiracy theorist...and he's both 😛 luckily its pretty much way too extreme for anyone to actually buy into his ramblings
Marc i think they made a typo. Hyperthreading splits up 1 core into 2. Having 16threads per core is absolutely insane. I dont think a 30inch dell monitor on system properties could display all your core threads. :X
Anyhow i am picking up a Neha server when they come out.
bryanW1995
Lifer
I read (maybe from aigo) the other day that smt is supposed to be MUCH better than ht was. I used to run seti@home on an old p4 with ht and it only got about 10% more ppd than a normal p4 at 3.0. Supposedly smt is going to be a LOT better than that. I guess we'll see...
Intel is on record saying single-thread IPC is improved 15% but multi-threaded performance is improved "up to 200%", comparing Yorkfield vs Bloomfield.
The only way Intel could be bold enough to state a 200% improvement (that is 2x) is if they are quite confident that the 4 SMT threads on Nehalem are giving them nearly the same performance as the 4 native threads.
Intel should know, they have the data afterall. If it wasn't going to be good then you wouldn't hear about it and they wouldn't bother activating it.
The only way Intel could be bold enough to state a 200% improvement (that is 2x) is if they are quite confident that the 4 SMT threads on Nehalem are giving them nearly the same performance as the 4 native threads.
Intel should know, they have the data afterall. If it wasn't going to be good then you wouldn't hear about it and they wouldn't bother activating it.
bryanW1995
Lifer
sorry, that must have been you not aigo. Up to 200% is very nebulous, that's like me saying that we're giving "up to" 5000 off on wranglers. that could be 5000 off every single one or it could be $5000 off ONE wrangler and 0 off all the others. I just find it very difficult to see them getting ANYTHING REMOTELY approaching 100% efficiency on f@h with smt, but we'll see...
Nemesis 1
Lifer
Because of IBM . I find AMD interesting now. I don't buy AMD cpu's but I will buy their GPU's. AMD flat out stole Intels tech. Its not AMD company I hate its how they got the tech I am pissed about . FOR ALL TIME. I hate IBM for helping nazi rounding up jews and non christians during world war 2. Same reason I hate the HRCC helping Hitler. They did.
No I don't hate AMD i just don't like how they got X86. By the way guys If AMD goes out of business Intel will still make good future processors as its money in the bank.
You guys act as if X86 are the only processors the world produces. X 86 belongs to intel Its theirs . Period. We don't need 2 sources but its nice, 3 would be better and 4 better still. MS doesn't have to reveal its source code. Why is that? Because MS didn't sign a deal with the Devil (IBM) Intel should have made a better second source supplier contract with IBM as IBM really screwed Intel and put dec out of business.
So you see Its IBM I hate . But AMD got caught in the cross fire. But I did recently buy some nice AMD/ATI GPU's. But me buy AMD cpu. Not ever . ( not true if AMD made a non x86 cpu I would consider it if it ran desk top apps.
bryanW1995
Lifer
I didn't say the number was bogus. In fact, I'm confident that it's legit, I'm also just as confident that it's not going to be perfect scaling for all apps. In fact, it stands to reason that an app like f@h that already taxes the shit out of a cpu will benefit the least from smt. however, I hope that I'm wrong b/c I'd love to have a 4 core nehalem with smt double up on a Q9450 @ the same frequency.
It's not that you missed anything, but Intel is as good or better at maximizing profits as they are at making good chips. Yorkfield is sloooowwwly coming to the consumer desktop markets. Intel obviously can afford to take their sweet time, they earned it and they should be doing what they are doing otherwise they aren't serving the best interests of their shareholders.
But for us budget enthusiasts who liked our $266 Q6600 chips that overclocked 50% (2.4->3.6GHz) its going to be a long time coming before we get that kind of price/performance excitement out of a Yorkfield...and for every viable reason Intel has had in slowing down their rollout of desktop Yorkfields those same reasons will be there in a year's time when it comes to "why are we trying to push these larger die, higher cost, lower yielding Nehalems onto the consumer desktop market when their only competition is our own cheaper to make, easier to yield, MCM'ed Yorkfields?"
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