Need to resolve a property rights dispute<happily resolved for all concerned>

NesuD

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Heres the situation My neighbor and i share a drain tile to the municipal storm drain system for draining our sumps. The drain tile is on my property. The tile collapsed and needed to be replaced I told my neighbor about the problem but they seemed to think it was my problem not theirs since their sump seemed to be pumping out the water just fine. I explained to them that what they were really doing was pumping the water to my house and then out the air relief on my sump tile at my house all over my houses foundation. their connection has no air relief so there was no where else for the water to go. I asked the old lady there to have one of her sons or daughters call me and i would explain the whole thing to them. I attempted to involve them in this for 3 weeks and not once did anyone respond to my calls or messages so i went ahead and got a contractor to replace the 4&quot; weeper tile with schedule 40 pvc drain tile from my house to the municipal utility easement. the only thing not replaced was my neighbors tile to the new tile on my property but they are still connected to the new tile just as they were to the old one. Of the total run installed about 1/3 of the drain is before the point where me and my neighbor start sharing the tile so I figured they should split the remaining 2/3 cost with me. The cost of the entire job was $2600 so their responsibility would be $866 not wanting to be a jerk about it I just rounded that down to 800 and told them that was their share. The next day i get a call from her son whoe was the original owner of the house and he basically says that they are now going to get their own estimates on what the job should cost and they aren't going to be responsible for any more and since his house was here first that the tile is really all his and I was responsible cause my trees roots caused the damage. That last bit i know is b.s.. what it appears he did was have the contracters run the tile on my property when he built his home I suppose so he could plant trees in his yard without messing up the tile. then when my home was built the contractor just connected to it since it was on my property and connected to my stormdrain tap anyway. The problem is that no one told the original owner. As I see it from a legal standpoint the drain is mine since it is on my property and there is no existing easement for it. If they want to use it that is fine with me as long as they are willing to be responsible for half of the cost of the repair or maintenance of the shared portion of the line. I had the contractors use the best solution to replace the line as possible to avoid future problems with it. I figure if they want to give me some crap and not pay their fair share of the cost i just tell I am going to disconnect them from MY line(they connect to it on my property) and they can have their own installed on their own property. Does this seem reasonable? As it stands the cheat has gotten out of paying his share to repair it twice before because the previous owner didn't know he was connected to it. I only found out when the contractor did a video inspection of the tile to determine the problem and it's exact location.
 

ThisIsMatt

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I'm no law expert or anything, but since they didn't want to cooperate in the first place, and they get some low balled estimate, you should go out and rip up their side with a backhoe :)

Okay, I don't mean that literally, but I think they are in the wrong...
 

NesuD

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my back hoe was very carefull not to damage their lawn I can have a hole open with a hand shovel and sawsall a 12&quot; section of tile where they connect and cap both ends and bury it back up in less than an hour all on my own property.
 

Jumpem

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If they won't pay what I agree is their fair part, then I would go with your idea to just disconnect and cap both ends. Good luck, either way!
 

Static911

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i'll ask my friendz at the law skool prob tomarrow morning and try to post a reply...no guarentee tho cuz I got 3 tests and 20pg national security paper due tuesday...but I feel U man...


not exactly same situation, but to do with drainage...we live in nice neighborhood so its not like they can't afford it, but they were d*cks bout it and eventually, when they got ppl to come and move fence and drainage system, DESTROYED all MY PARENTS PLEXIGLASS ON BOTTOM to keep rodents out!!!

That section of plexi costed my parents $1,000. Also, they didn't move it back to the correct property line. My parents gave up hope, but I still remember (causing my mom lots of headache and she can't even speak ENGLISH WELL!!!!!)

I'm still pissed off at these stingy couple and waiting to do something to their nice and shiny Carrera (which is a wanna-be TURBO)

Static911
 

Static911

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Currently, I cannot finish my 20pg paper in time, but I asked one of my friends to look into it...she said that will do ASAP, but finals are coming up...

I'm only 2 years old; however, I don't have all the knowledge; however, I have some idea of who you should ask...

Try callin city management and asking them to come out and size up the situation...
Get a geological engineer to size it up...
More or less, get a third party involved to give an unbiased opinion and course of action to get the money....

All this is assuming that ur neighbors are RATIONAL and are willing to work with you through this process...

If all else fails, (only in America) sue...probably will be in small claims court or something like that...

Static911

 

perry

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I say screw em over. If they lowball your estimate, then just cap off their connection on your side. Let them deal without having any sewer service until they get it fixed. It's your property, do as you please.



<< I'm only 2 years old; however, I don't have all the knowledge; >>



Static911, you type pretty good for a 2 year old ;)
 

StageLeft

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fvck them, I don't know how the law applies either but morally (not that that really matters but hopefully the law is moral in this case!) if they want you to pay for fixes and its on your property then they have no right to make use of it
 

fdiskboy

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Not a legal opinion, but if there is no easement defined, I don't think they can say anything about what you do. I'd cap it and not even tell them.

:D
 

cxim

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do not cap it &amp; not tell them !!!

Give them notice... even if the drain is on your property, it has been hooked to their house for several yrs ? In many states you would be liable for any damage caused by capping if you decline to inform them. They have a defacto easment.

You can revoke the easment if there is no written agreement. But in general you must give them reasonable warning.
 

NesuD

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well I just spoke with an attorney and you won't believe this one. If the line was originally laid when both properties were under the ownership of the same owner which in this case would be the original developer then my property would be classified as the servient property and my neighbors as the dominant property in which case i am wholly responsible for all repair and maintenance of the line and cannot legally disconnect them from the line. I am even responsible for maintaining the line for their use even if I disconnect myself from it and lay a separate independent line of my own. This is all dependant on the line being in place before my neighbors property changed ownership from the developer. I guess I need to do a title search to get all the details.

Not to worry cxim I wouldn't diconnect without notice. I had already decided that if it should come to that then I would give them til late spring to install their own line although it now appears that I may not really have any rights as the property owner in this case.

Hopefully they don't know this either and I can bluff them if need be.
 

Frenchie

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Yep that is right on the ball. If it was one property at a prior time, then you are on the hook. If it wasnt, then you will need to see if any of the prior deeds granted an easement or right of way in favor of the drainage.
 

NesuD

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Well good news the Old gal overruled her arrogant skinflint son and decided to do the right thing and assume resposibility for her share of the repair. called me up and asked me over to let me know and to make sure there were no hard feelings. That is the way neighbors should be I was so happy that i went right home got the snoblower out and cleaned her driveway out for her. Got the check today so this issue is put to bed with a happy conclusion.