Need to downgrade the video card

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: kmmatney
In your sig you have a PCIE card - why not just use that?

"FOR SALE
Sapphire ATI X800XL 256MB ULTIMATE PCI-E Graphics Card - I'm selling this for a friend. Its been a great card for him. It is the model that came with the Zalman fan out of the box, it is very cool and quiet. You can read more information and see pics of the card here. Any questions, feel free to PM me. - $120 + $12 Priority Shipping "

Maybe buy it for $100...

(A) I'd imagine there's better performance/$ out there now than an X800XL. (B) If you read previously, I'm getting rid of the entire desktop now. No point in keeping the mobo if I'm selling the dual core CPU & high end GPU, at that point its the same as my laptop only I have to use two machines. Get a docking station and I'll be good for a while

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

Just for the record, I know what I get in certain games and really don't feel the need to try and prove my results to those who want to question them.

 

[m21s]

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle
Just for the record, I know what I get in certain games and really don't feel the need to try and prove my results to those who want to question them.

All I'm saying is all benchmarks show other wise using higher cards than yours. 7800 and up series.

Seems odd if you get that GREAT of performance then why dont they include that card in there benchmarks?

 

[Budarow]

Originally posted by: m21s

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle
Just for the record, I know what I get in certain games and really don't feel the need to try and prove my results to those who want to question them.

All I'm saying is all benchmarks show other wise using higher cards than yours. 7800 and up series.

Seems odd if you get that GREAT of performance then why dont they include that card in there benchmarks?

As previously stated by others in this thread...FPS on indoor scenes and outdoor scenes vary WIDELY. Based on the above, seems possible to get decent FPS in some portions of Oblivion with a 7600GT. IMO...an average of 35 FPS is not going to make the gaming experience all it could be though with low FPS dipping near/into the single digits.

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

I am in the outdoor area and have not ever had my FPS drop into the single digits.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Budarow

Originally posted by: m21s

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle
Just for the record, I know what I get in certain games and really don't feel the need to try and prove my results to those who want to question them.

All I'm saying is all benchmarks show other wise using higher cards than yours. 7800 and up series.

Seems odd if you get that GREAT of performance then why dont they include that card in there benchmarks?

As previously stated by others in this thread...FPS on indoor scenes and outdoor scenes vary WIDELY. Based on the above, seems possible to get decent FPS in some portions of Oblivion with a 7600GT. IMO...an average of 35 FPS is not going to make the gaming experience all it could be though with low FPS dipping near/into the single digits.

lowest it ever gets for me is the low 20's outside with a lot of grass and 1-2 enemies chasing after me

 

[Shadowmage]

The X1600 Pro 128MB is a great choice... only medium texture quality (since only 128MB) but it uses fast GDDR3 2.0ns RAM

You can probably get that around $80

Here's an X1600XT 256MB for $115...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102657R


7600GT is a decent card but it's way over $100. The 7600GS uses very slow GDDR2 RAM.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle
Yeah...all my sliders are to the right and I have 16x AF and HDR enabled. No AA as the NVidia drivers don't support AA and HDR at the same time. And everything is set on high which was the setting it defaulted to when I installed the game.

I'm going to agree with M21s here - my 7800GT can't handle 4x AA, Bloom and everything at full even at 10x7...let alone 12x10...at least not when outdoors.

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle
Yeah...all my sliders are to the right and I have 16x AF and HDR enabled. No AA as the NVidia drivers don't support AA and HDR at the same time. And everything is set on high which was the setting it defaulted to when I installed the game.

I'm going to agree with M21s here - my 7800GT can't handle 4x AA, Bloom and everything at full even at 10x7...let alone 12x10...at least not when outdoors.

Again, agree with whoever you feel like you want to agree with as I'm going to continue playing Oblivion at the settings that I have stated I'm able to play at and not waste my time in a pissing contest with those who think I have nothing better to do than lie about what settings I play a game at.

 

[Powermoloch]

lol I play most of my games on the 2007FP on 1600x1200 with just only a 7600GT !!!

on oblivion, I play @ 1280x1024 with no shadows and the rest at med-high settings w/ bloom. Damn, it looks pretty

 

[Bull Dog]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

are you kidding me?

i have a 7600gt, i know what im talking about unlike you

Q4: 1280*1024 4x AA 8x AF 60 FPS +
FEAR: 1280*1024 Soft Shadows 45 FPS+
Oblivion: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 HDR 35 FPS+
GRAW: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 45FPS+
Serious Sam and Tomb Raider i havent tried.

the 7600gt is MORE than enough for gaming at 1024*768
[/quote]
Are you KIDDING ME?

I find it hard to believe that with EVERYTHING turned up high (meaning MAX right?) in Oblivion that you are getting 35 FPS at 1280x1024 w/HDR.
. . Assumption 1: You are outdoors where there it lots of grass, preferably somewhere in the gold coast area.
. . Assumption 2: You havn't done any INF editing.
. . Assumption 3: You are quoting avarage FPS numbers.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

From the X1800GTO review I read on XBitlabs.com some time back, I clearly remember:
The 7600GT was much better & cheaper than the X1800GTO.
The 7600GT will play any game at Maximum settings, 1024x768, 4XAA, 16XAF silky smooth.
Less demanding games will easily allow you to retain the Max settings & IQ and bump the resolution up to 1280x1024.
Older games (Doom 3, Half-Life 2 etc.) might even go up to 1600x1200, although performance won't be anywhere close to your X1900XT.

Oblivion is probably the only game which can't be turned up to the max and blazed through: I'm sure you can find a decent compromise between res/IQ/performance.

At ~$130-140 (after MIR), the 7600GT is a no-brainer if you can afford it - maximum returns for your investment.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Bull Dog

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

are you kidding me?

i have a 7600gt, i know what im talking about unlike you

Q4: 1280*1024 4x AA 8x AF 60 FPS +
FEAR: 1280*1024 Soft Shadows 45 FPS+
Oblivion: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 HDR 35 FPS+
GRAW: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 45FPS+
Serious Sam and Tomb Raider i havent tried.

the 7600gt is MORE than enough for gaming at 1024*768

Are you KIDDING ME?

I find it hard to believe that with EVERYTHING turned up high (meaning MAX right?) in Oblivion that you are getting 35 FPS at 1280x1024 w/HDR.
. . Assumption 1: You are outdoors where there it lots of grass, preferably somewhere in the gold coast area.
. . Assumption 2: You havn't done any INF editing.
. . Assumption 3: You are quoting avarage FPS numbers.[/quote]

Again, I agree. I just tried my 7800 GT with those settings, and I got around 30 FPS. Either he forgot to hit "apply" or the way he's reporting FPS is max, or the program he is using automatically adds 20 to the framerate.

Wanna shut us up? Take screenshots using fraps that show the framerate in the golden coast areas, looking at water while standing in trees facing the sun (a scene like that should be easy to find)...oh, and have your sword out.

1680x1050, most settings close to max, 2xAA (I prefer AA to HDR, and Bloom is fine for me...) except the grass distance, which is aaround 1/4....I get roughly 30-35 FPS outside...inside, 40 or so (off the top of my head) using FRAPS to report. These are average FPS as well.

 

[blckgrffn]

Uh, $100 or less, guys? Where do the 7600GT or x1800GTO come into play here?

The obvious answer, IMHO, is to grab an x800 GTO or x850xt if you can swing the extra $25 on the FS/FT forums. It will easily play the latest games at some moderate settings up to 1440*900. I know, because that is what I do. The GTO would be a little slower, but still shouldn't have an issue.

Nat

 

[RampantAndroid]

You might be able to find some used 7800GTs for around 100, although I'm not sure.

Have you looked around on EBay as well?

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
Wanna shut us up?

Not really...I don't give a rat's ass about proving anything to you or anyone else.

You're just pissed I can get better results with my 7600GT than you can with your 7800GT...deal with it.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid

Originally posted by: Bull Dog

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

are you kidding me?

i have a 7600gt, i know what im talking about unlike you

Q4: 1280*1024 4x AA 8x AF 60 FPS +
FEAR: 1280*1024 Soft Shadows 45 FPS+
Oblivion: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 HDR 35 FPS+
GRAW: Everything HIGH 1280*1024 45FPS+
Serious Sam and Tomb Raider i havent tried.

the 7600gt is MORE than enough for gaming at 1024*768

Are you KIDDING ME?

I find it hard to believe that with EVERYTHING turned up high (meaning MAX right?) in Oblivion that you are getting 35 FPS at 1280x1024 w/HDR.
. . Assumption 1: You are outdoors where there it lots of grass, preferably somewhere in the gold coast area.
. . Assumption 2: You havn't done any INF editing.
. . Assumption 3: You are quoting avarage FPS numbers.

Again, I agree. I just tried my 7800 GT with those settings, and I got around 30 FPS. Either he forgot to hit "apply" or the way he's reporting FPS is max, or the program he is using automatically adds 20 to the framerate.

Wanna shut us up? Take screenshots using fraps that show the framerate in the golden coast areas, looking at water while standing in trees facing the sun (a scene like that should be easy to find)...oh, and have your sword out.

1680x1050, most settings close to max, 2xAA (I prefer AA to HDR, and Bloom is fine for me...) except the grass distance, which is aaround 1/4....I get roughly 30-35 FPS outside...inside, 40 or so (off the top of my head) using FRAPS to report. These are average FPS as well.[/quote]

i dont care what you guys think. think im lying? good.

go read my other posts. imingrasssize 120. almost doubles framerate for me in grassy areas.

 

[GeeFizzleDizzle]

Originally posted by: schneiderguyi dont care what you guys think. think im lying? good.

You and me both...I guess neither one of us has anything better to do.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle

Originally posted by: schneiderguyi dont care what you guys think. think im lying? good.

You and me both...I guess neither one of us has anything better to do.

Then you heavily modified your INF file and/or Nvidia CP for performance.
Like I said, I play at 10x7 with an eVGA 7600GT (580/1500), a 2.5Ghz Opt 144, and a gig of 2-2-2 memory.

My sliders are maxed except specular at 50%, grass somewhere near 25%, self shadows off, and maybe one or two other things off or halved. No AF, No AA, manually turned Vsync off...but I do have HDR on. High quality in my Nvidia CP forced, all optimizations off.

Imingrasssize set to 120, tall grass disabled. Using the Xtreme-G 84.22 driver set.

This is my fraps recording of me looking up at a tree in Leyawin, then immediately running outside town and running around the lakes bordering the town.

2006-07-08 18:51:59 - Oblivion
Frames: 1335 - Time: 48593ms - Avg: 27.473 - Min: 0 - Max: 68

With min of 0 obviously being when I had to load going outside. So you can see my average is about 30fps, which gives me every reason to doubt your framerates, or your settings. This isn't an e-peen argument, this is a "we want to find out why your scores are an anomaly." You are obviously doing something that is allowing you a res bump PLUS 16x AF over me. I'd be more than happy to hear what it is.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Then you heavily modified your INF file and/or Nvidia CP for performance.
Like I said, I play at 10x7 with an eVGA 7600GT (580/1500), a 2.5Ghz Opt 144, and a gig of 2-2-2 memory.

My sliders are maxed except specular at 50%, grass somewhere near 25%, self shadows off, and maybe one or two other things off or halved. No AF, No AA, manually turned Vsync off...but I do have HDR on. High quality in my Nvidia CP forced, all optimizations off.

Imingrasssize set to 120, tall grass disabled. Using the Xtreme-G 84.22 driver set.

This is my fraps recording of me looking up at a tree in Leyawin, then immediately running outside town and running around the lakes bordering the town.

2006-07-08 18:51:59 - Oblivion
Frames: 1335 - Time: 48593ms - Avg: 27.473 - Min: 0 - Max: 68

With min of 0 obviously being when I had to load going outside. So you can see my average is about 30fps, which gives me every reason to doubt your framerates, or your settings. This isn't an e-peen argument, this is a "we want to find out why your scores are an anomaly." You are obviously doing something that is allowing you a res bump PLUS 16x AF over me. I'd be more than happy to hear what it is.

Exactly. You said everything was at full. YOu never said you modified your INI file which can yield a good amount of performance increase if done right. Do I care if you're getting a hgiher framerate? No. I was pointing out the fact that it was impossible for you to be getting those framerates with the settings you stated.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle

Originally posted by: schneiderguyi dont care what you guys think. think im lying? good.

You and me both...I guess neither one of us has anything better to do.

Then you heavily modified your INF file and/or Nvidia CP for performance.
Like I said, I play at 10x7 with an eVGA 7600GT (580/1500), a 2.5Ghz Opt 144, and a gig of 2-2-2 memory.

My sliders are maxed except specular at 50%, grass somewhere near 25%, self shadows off, and maybe one or two other things off or halved. No AF, No AA, manually turned Vsync off...but I do have HDR on. High quality in my Nvidia CP forced, all optimizations off.

Imingrasssize set to 120, tall grass disabled. Using the Xtreme-G 84.22 driver set.

This is my fraps recording of me looking up at a tree in Leyawin, then immediately running outside town and running around the lakes bordering the town.

2006-07-08 18:51:59 - Oblivion
Frames: 1335 - Time: 48593ms - Avg: 27.473 - Min: 0 - Max: 68

With min of 0 obviously being when I had to load going outside. So you can see my average is about 30fps, which gives me every reason to doubt your framerates, or your settings. This isn't an e-peen argument, this is a "we want to find out why your scores are an anomaly." You are obviously doing something that is allowing you a res bump PLUS 16x AF over me. I'd be more than happy to hear what it is.

oblivion is heavily CPU limited. at 1280*1024 it would probably get the same framerate. plus how do you know we were even in the same area when you took your benchmark great, you get 30 fps. i get 35fps.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: GeeFizzleDizzle

Originally posted by: schneiderguyi dont care what you guys think. think im lying? good.

You and me both...I guess neither one of us has anything better to do.

Then you heavily modified your INF file and/or Nvidia CP for performance.
Like I said, I play at 10x7 with an eVGA 7600GT (580/1500), a 2.5Ghz Opt 144, and a gig of 2-2-2 memory.

My sliders are maxed except specular at 50%, grass somewhere near 25%, self shadows off, and maybe one or two other things off or halved. No AF, No AA, manually turned Vsync off...but I do have HDR on. High quality in my Nvidia CP forced, all optimizations off.

Imingrasssize set to 120, tall grass disabled. Using the Xtreme-G 84.22 driver set.

This is my fraps recording of me looking up at a tree in Leyawin, then immediately running outside town and running around the lakes bordering the town.

2006-07-08 18:51:59 - Oblivion
Frames: 1335 - Time: 48593ms - Avg: 27.473 - Min: 0 - Max: 68

With min of 0 obviously being when I had to load going outside. So you can see my average is about 30fps, which gives me every reason to doubt your framerates, or your settings. This isn't an e-peen argument, this is a "we want to find out why your scores are an anomaly." You are obviously doing something that is allowing you a res bump PLUS 16x AF over me. I'd be more than happy to hear what it is.

oblivion is heavily CPU limited. at 1280*1024 it would probably get the same framerate. plus how do you know we were even in the same area when you took your benchmark great, you get 30 fps. i get 35fps.

If Oblivion is heavily CPU limited, then why do I get the following results when I raised my res to 1280x960, maxed ALL my sliders (but left self shadows and grass shadows off), and enabled 16x AF?

2006-07-19 01:05:30 - Oblivion
Frames: 1767 - Time: 103281ms - Avg: 17.108 - Min: 0 - Max: 60

That's my same test run as before. I started at the large tree in Leyawin, ran out of the northeast gate, ran around a couple lakes, and then ran through blackwood. Yes, the CPU is important, but if I were CPU limited, my scores wouldn't have dropped 37%.

If you could do me a huge favor, just fire up fraps and do a quick fps recording inside Leyawin, then run outside for a bit and report back. I'd really appreciate it. Remember to use your 12x10 settings with sliders maxed and 16x AF. If you don't want to do this, I'd understand, but I think it would be a great help.

Also, what driver set are you using?